Charges on Property

A nephew asked his parents to raise £50k on their mortgage to provide a deposit on a new flat a couple of years ago when he decided to leave the family nest. This was purely to meet bank lending criteria as the mortgage companies no longer did 99% mortgages, but 70% ones. He was the sole person named on the land and mortgage deeds.

A year ago he moved a girlfriend in, and are now getting married in January. Even better she has moved her brother in, and his girlfriend. The nephew's fiancee, being a domineering type has effectively ostracised the nephews family, and to date the only wedding invitations issued has been her side.

Is it still possible under English Land law for his parents to put a charge on the property without first having to go to court to demand repayment of the 50k?. There was no written loan agreement from the parent to the son, merely evidence of the cheque being lodged to his bank account.

What has prompted this is a reference on a Facebook account where the fiancee has stated that she will have the flat conveyed into joint names as soon as she returns from honeymoon.
 
My own understanding - and I am no expert - is that they will have to first demand repayment

However, the very obvious issue (based on what you have told us) is proving that this was a loan and not a gift.
 
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Why do you think they would they have the right to put a charge on the property?

They gave money to their son, without a loan agreement. If the son hasn't been following the "agreed" repayments etc then they can follow the normal recovery process but will potentially struggle to some degree because of the lack of any formalised agreement.
 
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You could put a unilateral notice on the property which would stymy any move to change the ownership of the property. The unilateral notice has to state in what capacity the person applying has an interest in the property. You could argue that as a contributor to the purchase price they have a beneficial interest in the sale proceeds on the basis of their contribution. That's what I'd argue in any event.

The notice can be removed by the proprietor with evidence that no such interest exists in the property (potentially they would argue the £50k was a gift and there was no intention for the contributor to have an interest). However, in the first instance, I would apply to put the unilateral notice against the property. The form is on the Land Registry website and is fairly straightforward. There's a fee payable of £40 or so, although this may have increased since the last time I applied for one earlier this year.
 
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If they believe the money was a loan and not a gift they would have to issue proceedings against their son to obtain judgment and they can then get a charging order. Possibly better for them to try and resolve the differences between them than take this route though.
 
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My own understanding - and I am no expert - is that they will have to first demand repayment

However, the very obvious issue (based on what you have told us) is proving that this was a loan and not a gift.

Generally a gift comes out of a persons capital, not by raising a mortgage on their own home. The parents added to their own small mortgage to raise the 50k, so as to allow the son to have a deposit. Folks in their 50's don't do this lightly but with onset of funders withdrawing high ltv mortgages, it was the only option. You know the way things are. You give a child help in getting on the propery ladder, and when he makes money from base rung, you;d naturally expect him to repay some of the capital sum when cashing in on the subsequent sale. For anyone involved in flat purachases two years ago, they were being offered at discounts of say 10-15% (in retrospect perhaps not the best description)

Why do you think they would they have the right to put a charge on the property?

They gave money to their son, without a loan agreement. If the son hasn't been following the "agreed" repayments etc then they can follow the normal recovery process but will potentially struggle to some degree because of the lack of any formalised agreement.

In law, a contract can be implied and not necessarily written. By extrapolation, surely a loan arrangement can be the same. The gift the parents were making were the interest payments on the mortgage drawdown they secured to finance the deposit, not the original capital sum.

You could put a unilateral notice on the property which would stymy any move to change the ownership of the property. The unilateral notice has to state in what capacity the person applying has an interest in the property. You could argue that as a contributor to the purchase price they have a beneficial interest in the sale proceeds on the basis of their contribution. That's what I'd argue in any event.

The notice can be removed by the proprietor with evidence that no such interest exists in the property (potentially they would argue the £50k was a gift and there was no intention for the contributor to have an interest). However, in the first instance, I would apply to put the unilateral notice against the property. The form is on the Land Registry website and is fairly straightforward. There's a fee payable of £40 or so, although this may have increased since the last time I applied for one earlier this year.

That is the aspect I was enquiring into. I've had a situation in the past where a friend purchased land with two associates from a neighbour for say £300k instead of the OMV of £400k. The discounted amount was to be compensated for by giving the "land vendor" one of the apartments at a £100k discount when they were ultimately sold. Effectively on completion of the newbuild he was getting his 400k, but it was by side letter, so Capital Gains Tax was reduced, and he had first shout on the place, and therefore good advertising of "already selling". Within a week of the conveyance he registered a charge, which as MrMichael states stymied not just the subsequent reconveyancing, but also needed explained in the development finance application. In this case, its been two years, so the original query was asking about time limits for such charges.

If they believe the money was a loan and not a gift they would have to issue proceedings against their son to obtain judgment and they can then get a charging order. Possibly better for them to try and resolve the differences between them than take this route though.

It was more of an investment than a loan due to the nature of the parents willing to pay the interest on the capital transferred, but no parent wants to issue proceedings against their child.

The real issue is that they wouldn't mind writing the 50k off, if it was there son who was getting the benefit, but are adamant that his bride will not be profiting from them.
 
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Why do you think they would they have the right to put a charge on the property?

They gave money to their son, without a loan agreement. If the son hasn't been following the "agreed" repayments etc then they can follow the normal recovery process but will potentially struggle to some degree because of the lack of any formalised agreement.

A second charge needs to be registered with the approval from a first charge holder which I believe is the mortgage provider.

OP needs to clarify the number of years, if it has been over 6 then the debt is statue barred and nothing could be done about it, however by lookig at the LTV, it sounds rather in the last 3/4 years.

Was the money paid to the solicitors conveying the property or given to son?

The sons` wife would again need an aproval from the lender before the property could be conveyed into a joint name.
 
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In law, a contract can be implied and not necessarily written.
Absolutely correct, but life becomes much harder when a contract isn't written and you frequently get situations where it is simply one persons word against another..... was it a gift or a loan or a shared purchase? Was it repayable periodically or only at the point of sale of the property? Was interest to be paid, no interest, or is repayable amount linked to movement in property value? Was there any stipulation over what happens if he marries? Plus all of the other possible points of contention.

The fact that a 3rd party is posting on a public forum about an issue between parents and child strongly suggests things have heavily broken down in that relationship as the normal course of action would be Mum/ Dad giving their son a quick call to air their concerns and an amicable way forward agreed. As such you can expect that any legal action would get messy too in the absense of a written contract.
 
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A second charge needs to be registered with the approval from a first charge holder which I believe is the mortgage provider.

OP needs to clarify the number of years, if it has been over 6 then the debt is statue barred and nothing could be done about it, however by lookig at the LTV, it sounds rather in the last 3/4 years.

Was the money paid to the solicitors conveying the property or given to son?

The sons` wife would again need an aproval from the lender before the property could be conveyed into a joint name.

Its just over 2 yrs, so not statute barred, and afaik money was paid to the son directly, as solicitors around that time were under pressure by tightening of the CML handbook , relating to own funds for deposits.

Absolutely correct, but life becomes much harder when a contract isn't written and you frequently get situations where it is simply one persons word against another..... was it a gift or a loan or a shared purchase? Was it repayable periodically or only at the point of sale of the property? Was interest to be paid, no interest, or is repayable amount linked to movement in property value? Was there any stipulation over what happens if he marries? Plus all of the other possible points of contention.

The fact that a 3rd party is posting on a public forum about an issue between parents and child strongly suggests things have heavily broken down in that relationship as the normal course of action would be Mum/ Dad giving their son a quick call to air their concerns and an amicable way forward agreed. As such you can expect that any legal action would get messy too in the absense of a written contract.

Dan, I don't disagree one bit with that. As the 3rd Party doing the posting here, its to "sound out", rather than have the parents and son get into a legal squabble. So the charge on property (without first obtaining court ruling) seemed the least antagonistic course of action.

As anyone who has got married will confirm, family relationships suffer strain in advance of a wedding even if the son/daughter in law is welcomed. Even the colour of the outfits can cause annoyance, so phoning a son about the deposit monies might not be a diplomatic option.

Anyway, thanks to all contributors for your input.
 
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You could put a unilateral notice on the property which would stymy any move to change the ownership of the property. The unilateral notice has to state in what capacity the person applying has an interest in the property. You could argue that as a contributor to the purchase price they have a beneficial interest in the sale proceeds on the basis of their contribution. That's what I'd argue in any event.

By far the best advice the OP has received so far
 
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