just passed driving test? no passengers for 9 months

Matt1959 · Nov 17, 2012

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ving-passengers-says-Transport-Secretary.html

I agree with the gist of this. Young drivers driving a small car crammed full of mates with stereo blaring is a recipe for disaster IMO and thats without having been drinking.

It takes 100% concentration to drive safely and you cant do it if you are distracted. If you have zilch driving experience also, that only compounds the problem. Whether what is proposed is workable I dont know but I agree with the general idea...

terryuk · Nov 17, 2012

I think they should do it properly then and make people who've had a license 20+ years re-sit but I know what riff that would cause

The numbers of deaths for new drivers is shockingly high though

Cylon · Nov 17, 2012

In theory perhaps a two passenger limit for new drivers would make sense, there should also be a test for drivers who reach the age of 60 on 5 yearly basis, perhaps not a full driving test but something to check their reaction time and awareness capabilities. Not to mention the outlawing of driving with a hat on and driving at 45mph on a motorway in the middle lane.

hmmm · Nov 17, 2012

does anyone know where i can find 100% stats for car crashes?
the age, the amount of drivers in that age and so on...thanks

what about in-experienced drivers at the age of 30??? Their insurance is more than half the amount some youngsters pay, yet with the same DRIVING experience. I am yet to see these "statistics"

Gillie · Nov 18, 2012

Matt1959 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ving-passengers-says-Transport-Secretary.html

I agree with the gist of this. Young drivers driving a small car crammed full of mates with stereo blaring is a recipe for disaster IMO and thats without having been drinking.

It takes 100% concentration to drive safely and you cant do it if you are distracted. If you have zilch driving experience also, that only compounds the problem. Whether what is proposed is workable I dont know but I agree with the general idea...

I don't!!

All those years of driving your brats around and brilliant they pass their test - for you to have to wait another 9 months for them to start driving you around??

Sod that for a game of soldiers ....

Esk247 · Nov 18, 2012

How are they going to actually Police this? Are they going to start pulling over EVERY car that might have a young driver at the wheel with someone else in the car?

Who says that young people who drive just drive around at night with their friends in the car with the music blasting out? What about those who are actually using their vehicle to get a job or go to college and take a mate with them as a car-share, you know, to save some money in a sensible way??

I'd love to see the college and uni car parks, they'd be over filled with hundreds of cars because people aren't allowed to share on the off chance they might drive around town at 11pm high on drugs clipping pedestrians with their wing mirrors.

It's nonsense. They need to make the actual test more practical, where you actually learn about driving in different conditions and with different cars.

RedEvo · Nov 18, 2012

Esk247 said:
It's nonsense. They need to make the actual test more practical, where you actually learn about driving in different conditions and with different cars.

I see unintentional consequences coming out of these proposals such as people hiding in the back of cars minus a seat belt etc. However, the stats clearly show young inexperienced drivers are at risk and therefore so are their passengers.

Young people's motor skills are not fully developed until around 25 years of age, add this to the sense of immortality we all felt as young people and the power of even small engined cars and it might well be time to consider drastic measures.

An alternative would be compulsory monitors such as those used by insurance companies with immediate grounding of drivers displaying inappropriate behaviour behind the wheel.

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trebor8 · Nov 18, 2012

terryuk said:
I think they should do it properly then and make people who've had a license 20+ years re-sit but I know what riff that would cause

The numbers of deaths for new drivers is shockingly high though

I personally think every one at pension age should be made to re-take their test. They're a menace on the roads.

Young or old, the biggest problem we have on our roads, is the different type of vehicles sharing the same tarmac. From a 30ton lorry to a bicycle - is a dangerous mix. Whoever designed cycle lanes, so a Lorry could turn into a cyclist at a junction, should be sectioned. Same for the airheads who thinks it's a good idea to stick pedestrian traffic lights, just as you come off a busy roundabout

terryuk · Nov 18, 2012

trebor8 said:
I personally think every one at pension age should be made to re-take their test. They're a menace on the roads.

I've had a pensioner crash into me before, he pulled out in the wrong. His excuse was that he couldn't see.

Brilliant

Esk247 · Nov 18, 2012

RedEvo said:
An alternative would be compulsory monitors such as those used by insurance companies with immediate grounding of drivers displaying inappropriate behaviour behind the wheel.

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Monitoring systems would be much better than something that simply cannot be policed. There aren't enough traffic police to deal with searching every car that has a young person in, it's a waste of time and will become a silly game of cat and mouse, it will also surely work against the whole 'green policy' of car sharing when on the same journey.

I don't like the idea of a system that controls the cars speed by GPS. That's going to cause dozens of accidents because the GPS system isn't 100% accurate or reliable. Imagine a car being slowed down electronically to 30mph on a motorway because the GPS signal has been lost.

Nov 18, 2012

I do think the green "P" plates for the first 2 years of driving would allow easier monitoring of the scheme to stop youngsters slaughtering themselves on mass.

Nuno · Nov 18, 2012

And yellow 'P' plates for pensioners?

Matt1959 · Nov 18, 2012

I can quite see its a problem enforcing but it doesnt stop me thinking its a good idea if it can be enforced - not sure how, but anything that gets these wipe outs of young people all at once in a car crash must be a good thing..

With regard to police checking all these cars, like mobile use in cars etc there will always be those that flout a law. However, should such a law come in, then there will the majority who won't flout it, so in the end lives will be saved.

edit to say, re. the comments about OAPs, mostly they dawdle along. Young people killed in the manner we're discussing invariably are speeding, sorry racing...

RedEvo · Nov 18, 2012

Esk247 said:
There aren't enough traffic police to deal with searching every car that has a young person in, it's a waste of time and will become a silly game of cat and mouse..

I don't follow this logic at all. Law's are not set based on the police's ability to enforce them, they are created for the common good of society. It's our duty to live by the laws, that's what a society does, not to try and get away with what we can.

I think the fear of the consequences of breaking this law, perhaps having your car confiscated, would be a deterrent and would encourage people to obey the law.

There's no way the police can effectively enforce the drink driving laws but I don't know anyone who thinks this is a good reason not to have them.

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Gillie · Nov 18, 2012

And yet how many people drive without insurance? The argument for it being a deterrent will only keep the few who respect such to not do it - those who will do it will do it regardless of consequences.

RedEvo · Nov 18, 2012

Gillie said:
And yet how many people drive without insurance? The argument for it being a deterrent will only keep the few who respect such to not do it - those who will do it will do it regardless of consequences.

Do you really believe the majority of people are law breakers? Unlike spotting a drunk, it's very easy for ANPR systems to check a car to establish its owner and driver experience. I think it would be easy to police this and once a few people get nicked the law would be widely respected.

It took a long time for drink drivers to get the message but it's now socially unacceptable to drink and drive. Perhaps this law would be the same.

I'm not reading any alternatives, only an assertion that most people are law breakers. Strange IMHO.

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Gillie · Nov 18, 2012

RedEvo said:
Do you really believe the majority of people are law breakers? Unlike spotting a drunk, it's very easy for ANPR systems to check a car to establish its owner and driver experience. I think it would be easy to police this and once a few people get nicked the law would be widely respected.

It took a long time for drink drivers to get the message but it's now socially unacceptable to drink and drive. Perhaps this law would be the same.

I'm not reading any alternatives, only an assertion that most people are law breakers. Strange IMHO.

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I know that in certain counties in this country ie England as living here I can only comment on it - very little police time is spent on checking cars and drivers - and I do know of people who have got away with no insurance etc for years and years. Mind wouldnt happen in my county - they have road blocks every other weeks around here - but a few counties away - its never done.

So yes - there are lots of people getting away with murder and will continue to flout the law until police in every county take it seriously.

Then there is the argument for not wasting police time doing this and instead they should concentrate of more serious crime.

Isn't this something those new police commissioners are supposed to look in to?

RedEvo · Nov 18, 2012

Gillie said:
and I do know of people who have got away with no insurance etc for years and years.

If I actually knew of someone driving without insurance I'd tell the police, I wouldn't hesitate. We can all play our part in making our roads safer, it's not just down to the police. I recently reported two police cars for speeding and they have now been referred to their professional standards committee.

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Nov 19, 2012

this and that said:
You must be so proud

No idea why you should use the word proud,but his actions in reporting dangerous behavious may result in saving lives.

Getting back on track I suspect that one of the major problems for young drivers may well be that they in general drive small cars,and a small car loaded with 5 people is a very different beast to handle than one carrying 1 person.

Esk247 · Nov 19, 2012

RedEvo said:
I think the fear of the consequences of breaking this law, perhaps having your car confiscated, would be a deterrent and would encourage people to obey the law.

It doesn't become a deterrent. It becomes a game. A deadly game.

You're assuming that the majority who speed around town with blue lights under the bonnet are interested in what the Police have to say. They're not. There are regular ANPR checks on a main road near here, especially over the festive period, why? because drivers continue to flout the law and that also counts for drink drivers.

229 drink drivers caught in two weeks - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-police-crackdown-catches-229-1129747

Socially unacceptable? Only for those with an ounce of intelligence about road safety like you and many members of this forum. For others, the game is on, will they get caught tonight or will they get away with it?

The same with illegal number plates, the same with under bonnet light kits and strobe lighting. The police here have virtually given up now, its beyond a joke, one traffic car for 50 boy racers, not a chance until Christmas when they get the ANPR unit back on the lay by to catch them all doing 'A Lap' in Corsas.

Esk247 · Nov 19, 2012

sirearl said:
Getting back on track I suspect that one of the major problems for young drivers may well be that they in general drive small cars,and a small car loaded with 5 people is a very different beast to handle than one carrying 1 person.

Not really. That isn't the issue as such. It's more a case of 5 people in the car and 2 of them being complete goons and egging someone to drive faster.

A lad was killed here on the moors for driving too fast with his friends in the car. On his own or with his girlfriend he'd of been relatively safe no doubt. Unfortunately his friends had been drinking so they told him to go faster to catch up to a BMW that overtook them...they came off the road and smashed in to a tree.

It's a much bigger problem than just bringing in laws. Since when did laws stop drug taking? or drug posession? or speeding? or murder? or fraud? We still have all these things even though they're illegal. The culture of the UK is screwed and i'm fearful that it's getting worse.

Esk247 · Nov 19, 2012

Here we go. It was a Vauxhall not a BMW:

http://www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/local/saltergate-crash-victim-egged-on-1-4851535

Matt1959 · Nov 19, 2012

anyone who says 5 people in a small car doesnt affect the cars handling much obviously hasnt driven a car in those circumstances. It becomes lethal when driven hard and thats if everything is working ok like brakes, suspension and tyres. This is part of the problem - inexperienced drivers, yes I agree they can be egged on by passengers, and loaded up small cars. Its no coincedence that many of these crashes involve small cars packed full of people.

re. the speeding policemen - how fast were they going I wonder!

owas · Nov 19, 2012

Seeing as I am about turn 26 and pass the "most likely to crash" 6 years down the line I have no crashes, no speeding fines, and no reason to be pulled by the police, and yet still paying the same insurance

I really don't see this working, and think its just going to cause more problems, for already over stretched police force.

if it were up to me,

Aged between 16-18 you can learn to drive but not get your full license.

New drivers aged 18-25, should be as free as they want to drive, but face harder penalties, should they do wrong, and possibly have a black box installed.

Leaning to drive on the motorway should made compulsory and part of the test.

Alcohol levels should be 0 when driving.

Older drivers 60+ should have regular test on health and driving abilities.

And finally my theory that if you looked at stats of road crimes, they would probley reflect those who commit other crimes, along with the likes of community service, and fines, why not also impose a driving ban or potential driving ban should they not have a license. Take away a boys toy and he will cry

RedEvo · Nov 19, 2012

Esk247 said:
It doesn't become a deterrent. It becomes a game. A deadly game.

I still don't believe an expectation that people will break a law is a good enough reason not to make it.

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hmmm · Nov 19, 2012

RedEvo said:
I see unintentional consequences coming out of these proposals such as people hiding in the back of cars minus a seat belt etc. However, the stats clearly show young inexperienced drivers are at risk and therefore so are their passengers.

Young people's motor skills are not fully developed until around 25 years of age, add this to the sense of immortality we all felt as young people and the power of even small engined cars and it might well be time to consider drastic measures.

An alternative would be compulsory monitors such as those used by insurance companies with immediate grounding of drivers displaying inappropriate behaviour behind the wheel.

d

what stats are you on about thatCLEARLY show what is what? show me...
motor skills do not take 7-8years to master

Team Leith Training · Nov 19, 2012

People, could we please keep this thread on topic and civilised please otherwise the thread will be closed and infractions issued.

Many thanks

hmmm · Nov 19, 2012

RedEvo said:
I see unintentional consequences coming out of these proposals such as people hiding in the back of cars minus a seat belt etc. However, the stats clearly show young inexperienced drivers are at risk and therefore so are their passengers.

Young people's motor skills are not fully developed until around 25 years of age, add this to the sense of immortality we all felt as young people and the power of even small engined cars and it might well be time to consider drastic measures.

An alternative would be compulsory monitors such as those used by insurance companies with immediate grounding of drivers displaying inappropriate behaviour behind the wheel.

d

what stats are you on about that CLEARLY show what is what? show me them...
motor skills do not take 7-8years to master

RedEvo · Nov 19, 2012

hmmm said:
what stats are you on about thatCLEARLY show what is what? show me...
motor skills do not take 7-8years to master

It's based on a talk given by Grampian Police to pupils at a school in Aberdeenshire. They stated, and I have no reason to disbelieve them, that the connections in a human brain are not fully formed until the age of 25 and they stated this was a factor in accidents involving young people.

This abstract doesn't give actual numbers but it supports the idea that perceived ability in young drivers is greater than actual ability.

This paper also states:

Although they quickly acquire the skills needed to control a motor vehicle, it takes much longer for novice drivers to develop the higher-order perceptual and cognitive skills necessary to safely interact with the driving environment.

Whether it's brain connections or something else, the end result is the same, a disproportionate number of your drivers die in road traffic collisions. Which is sad.

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hmmm · Nov 19, 2012

considering at that time of night they are mostly the only age group on the roads.
it no surprise to me they are mostly involved in any accident at that time of night.any brain can do maths

the last two sentances of the link of the op tells the story .it reads

The association has also called for a curfew banning young drivers from the roads at night.

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RedEvo · Nov 19, 2012

sirearl said:
No idea why you should use the word proud,but his actions in reporting dangerous behavious may result in saving lives.

Getting back on track I suspect that one of the major problems for young drivers may well be that they in general drive small cars,and a small car loaded with 5 people is a very different beast to handle than one carrying 1 person.

Agreed. I prefer prevention and don't think it's reasonable that members of my family have to risk their life to pull out of our drive. Obviously not a popular point if view - like I care.

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hmmm · Nov 19, 2012

the abstract is exactly what it says.........an idea ....it has no weight for fact

if true it should apply for everything in life not just cars

RedEvo · Nov 19, 2012

hmmm said:
the abstract is exactly what it says.........an idea ....it has no weight for fact

if true it should apply for everything in life not just cars

Here are some facts for you, take 'em or leave 'em

For the record I have no beef with young drivers, my beef is with bad drivers of any age.

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hmmm · Nov 19, 2012

Great Britain has one of the best road safety records in Europe and the world. Despite massive increases in traffic over the last few decades, the number of people killed on our roads has fallen from around 5,500 per year in the mid 1980s to well under 2,000 in 2011. However, the number of deaths rose in 2011, from 1,850 the previous year to 1,901. This means that five people die on Britain's roads every day

http://www.rospa.com/faqs/detail.aspx?faq=296

owas · Nov 19, 2012

But lets not forget the other side of this, the third leading cause of children's deaths is being hit by cars. This is mainly due to children not having enough safety awareness. This happened near our street on Friday, 10 year old boy now in Alder hey in a crtiicale condition, and it was a middle aged fella (Judge) not speeding. It shows these things can happen to anyone.

Source >>

hmmm · Nov 19, 2012

im all for making things safer but to oppress a certain group because of a minority is not the way

The association has also called for a curfew banning young drivers from the roads at night

wakey wakey

youll be next

DesignerNick · Nov 19, 2012

From my experience younger drivers have grown up with dont drink and drive! If you go in a pub there will always be the middle aged to old people who will drive home as well!

It would be wayyy to hard to police having passengers in the car unless they had to display the p plate for 9 months!

Nov 19, 2012

hmmm said:
Great Britain has one of the best road safety records in Europe and the world. Despite massive increases in traffic over the last few decades, the number of people killed on our roads has fallen from around 5,500 per year in the mid 1980s to well under 2,000 in 2011. However, the number of deaths rose in 2011, from 1,850 the previous year to 1,901. This means that five people die on Britain's roads every day

http://www.rospa.com/faqs/detail.aspx?faq=296

Seriously Injured 23,122
Slightly Injured 178,927

It is estimated that the total number of road casualties in Great Britain is between 660,000 and 880,000 per year, with a best estimate of around 730,000. This includes an estimated 80,000 people who are seriously injured.

Serious injury is often a life changing event.

I do suspect that the reason for lower death rates may be due to the safety aspects of modern cars.I.E my car has 7 airbags and various other technological safety gizmo's traction control ,brake assist,ABS e.t.c.

Matt1959 · Nov 19, 2012

Team Leith Training said:
People, could we please keep this thread on topic and civilised please otherwise the thread will be closed and infractions issued.

Many thanks

its like being back at school here sometimes...

hmmm · Nov 19, 2012

sirearl said:
Seriously Injured 23,122
Slightly Injured 178,927

It is estimated that the total number of road casualties in Great Britain is between 660,000 and 880,000 per year, with a best estimate of around 730,000. This includes an estimated 80,000 people who are seriously injured.

Serious injury is often a life changing event.

I do suspect that the reason for lower death rates may be due to the safety aspects of modern cars.I.E my car has 7 airbags and various other technological safety gizmo's e.t.c.

or that there are fewer accidents

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