Onsite SEO vs Offsite SEO

The title is misleading and that is something most of the threads I have read recently are.
When asked people say much of the focus has to be on off site SEO, some go as far to say it is far more important to focus on offsite SEO.
You can listen to the sand builders as they are known to professional SEO's or you can listen to rock builders.

Think of Googles Algorithm change as the rains. If your Onsite SEO is rock solid, come rain, hail or high water your website should remain firm.
If your using offsite SEO to prop yourself up as soon as those props are washed away expect to come tumbling down the rankings.
You need to build your business on firm solid foundations and Onsite SEO is very very important. Add to it and improve it, never ignore it.

*Taken from the gospel of SEOTICUS* Hallelujah
 
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Too many people pushing off site seo like - links, blogs, articles social media..... but to name a few.
But never look to improve things that would gain them true ranking.
Titles (coding and layout), Internal linking, Pages, images, video and the most important "INFORMATION"
Improving these onsite factors gives Spiders something substantial to report back.
If your going to write some awe inspiring ground breaking information, why are you writing it elsewhere.
Solidify your website and strengthen your onsite SEO. Give a spider what its looking for.
 
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Does this mean content is still king?

All the threads about article marketing and like all miss the important bit as you have alluded to: put the stuff on your own site.

Google tell you again and again that it is looking for useful, informative and interesting stuff so why give away your stuff to other people.

Great post Ali.
 
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Perfection would be knowing the exact recipe for a certain meal and all the ingredients falling into place exactly.
I don't think I have ever done the same thing twice. There is always something different. This is why I love my work so much, unlike the work everyone else carry out SEO will never be the same.
What works for one website wont work for another. Everything has to be new.
 
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If you are in a moderate to highly competitive niche, on-page alone will not take you to the promised land on it's own without an incredible amount of time and content publication.

Sure, quality on-page optimization is easier than quality backlink building, faster and cheaper, so it should be done in the early days. But, very few sites have been able to compete on content alone.

The recent algo changes favor quality content and quality backlinks, not one OR the other, but rather BOTH. Brand mentions and social signals are very important in the weighting scheme, neither of which can be handled from internal content....

Companies are going to have to spend an increasing percentage of resources in building content, that's probably not something to be debated by many SEO practitioners.

But if you claim on-page trumps off-page, then pick 5 or 6 competitive industries and show #1 sites who rank based on their content alone and not their backlinks. For every 1 example you find, there's what... 10, 100, 1000 or more who rank because of their offpage / backlinks?

Project out this scenario further into the future.

Where's the algo going to be in 2 or 3 years? As the landscape changes, people build more and more content and less and less links. Suddenly Google is left weighing the number of pages of content in site A vs number of pages in site B, all other things being equal. Instead of massive link-building going on, there is massive article publishing, hailing the content era. Suddenly, the sites with the most written pages are now #1.

Following closely behind this is the age of quality. Which site has the better written content wins the rankings battle, all other things being equal. Suddenly now it's a battle of who has the best AND most writers, as companies churn out volumes of worthless linkbait which reads well but has no real value in the world. Some would argue companies like Hubspot are already in this phase, throwing out reams of content in hopes some of it sticks.

Suddenly Joes Garage has a 250 page site with 247 pages of information that no one needs in their quest to find a garage for their auto repairs...

Content proliferation is already rampant and will undoubtedly escalate at a much higher rate. Is it the be all and end all which will determine rankings forever? No.

Is it likely to carry more weight in the next few years than it does now? Yes.

Will it create a new set of problems as companies have to find other ways of setting their site apart from the competition? Yes.

How will they do it? Backlinks... Social Signals... Content quotations, citations, references, syndication? (think backlinks)... Sure.

How else will they do it? I'd love to hear the answers to this!

Note: I'm a big believer in content marketing / inbound marketing, and agree with a lot of the fundamentals about content being king. However, I also don't see Google, or any other major search engine, dropping their external votes system anytime soon.

The voting system is being 'cleaned up' so as to try and restore the legitimacy which it once claimed. As poor quality links play less and less a role in the rankings, an ever increasing focus on quality backlinks will make the difference between #1 and #10 or #100.

I believe that quality content + quality links will dominate the rankings for the next 2 to 5 years.
 
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But the Wikipedia relys only on content.

Wikipedia is the obvious example, but try publishing tons of content and then stop - like wise with majority of link building.

Wikipedia is biased on so many levels.

Consider that all the website follow a formula then eventually it will be down to human interference to give the correct results.

Yeah one formula, one search term and maybe 1000s of equations.
 
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The point Ali was making is that on page SEO should be your foundation. This will have resulted from all sorts of research (including keyword research).

Most people aren't targeting very competitive keywords. Most are quite happy in a niche. Look at the members here, very few are in the pills, gambling and compensation industry. Which means most can get buy with good onsite and a bit of link building for the boost.
 
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The point of on-page being necessary and important makes great sense.

The point that it's somehow more important than off-page is a prediction, not an observation.

Sure, if you're a local business and selling something to customers within a 10 mile radius, have no online shop, no desire for customers outwith the local area, then local SEO rules apply, sometimes.

However, even local terms like 'car hire London' are not going to have the #1 spot owned by a couple dozen blog posts and no inbound links... at least not anytime soon. I'd think the people selling conservatories, doors, blinds, windows and other active market segments would face an equally difficult battle with content alone.

Content may be a part of being king, president, prime minister, or emperor. But, he isn't ruling because of his emperors new clothes (content). He's ruling because his subjects give a nod back to him and acknowledge that he's the one in charge. Otherwise he ends up like Phocas "the Tyrant", and someone else gets the nod to #1.
 
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Yes, user generated content is great. Wikipedia is great.

How does 'car hire London' or 'Sussex conservatories' create their own free content engine or wikipedia clone, that will have enough momentum to drive a #1 ranking, without spending a ton of money, or backlink building?

Great idea - now let's see the examples.... Show me the money!
 
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Firstly - Why would you take it to the extreme.

Just to show you the money - look at limobroker



Yes, user generated content is great. Wikipedia is great.

How does 'car hire London' or 'Sussex conservatories' create their own free content engine or wikipedia clone, that will have enough momentum to drive a #1 ranking, without spending a ton of money, or backlink building?

Great idea - now let's see the examples.... Show me the money!
 
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OK one more attempt - Webgeek - I am saying content onsite, onsite layout, internal linking and titles metas are far more important before doing anything offsite.
By contradicting me you are making your stance clear that I am wrong and that in effect you believe the opposite is in fact true.

Sorry but Onsite will always be my first step.
 
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OK one more attempt - Webgeek - I am saying content onsite, onsite layout, internal linking and titles metas are far more important before doing anything offsite.
By contradicting me you are making your stance clear that I am wrong and that in effect you believe the opposite is in fact true.

Sorry but Onsite will always be my first step.

And I will agree with that, the onsite has to be good. That said, many people get obcessed with on page, they want no html errors, W3C compliance , H1, h2, H3 all neat and tidy. that is SEO by numbers and there comes a point where the law of diminishing returns kicks in.

Given a choice between spending 50 hours sorting out W3C compliance and erros, or 50 hours producing new content & backlinks, I know what i would go with.
 
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And it is cited by everyone because of its............. notariety and ranking
And it is ranked because of its............................ sheer volume and diversity of backlinks across a massive range of subjects.
And it is linked to because of its.......................... notariety and ranking
People reference its because of its.......................notariety and ranking

Wikipedia reached critical mass years ago, it was first to the market, it has links from all the main authority sites on the web like BBC and government cites for example. Wikipedia is really a bad example to use as so many factors scew the example. I am not disagreeing with the principle, but all you are saying is what Google have always said, that being 'build good content so people will want to link to you'.
 
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And just for the coupe de grace - My second nomination is the BBC website.
BBC do not actively Link anywhere (FACT).
Where do all their links come from?

Because they supply content to everyone and like wiki they are refereed to and one of the highest page ranked sites in the world.
And the cause of those links is content.
 
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OK one more attempt - Webgeek - I am saying content onsite, onsite layout, internal linking and titles metas are far more important before doing anything offsite.
By contradicting me you are making your stance clear that I am wrong and that in effect you believe the opposite is in fact true.

Quite the opposite is true.

As I've said many times:
1) On-site is important (optimization)
2) Quality content is very important
3) Quality backlinks are very important

If you agree, then we're not contradicting each other. If you're saying that only #1 and #2 are important, then yes, we disagree about the importance of #3.

On-site optimization is the planning, or blue-prints of the building. Content is the foundation, upon which the house is built. Backlinks are the walls and roof. Leave out any of the three and you're on shaky ground.
 
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Wiki doesn't rank because of its content, it ranks because of its authority status, and that status is as a result of backlinks. Certainly for long tail you can't beat content, but in the case of Wiki, it is one of the most cited sites on the web.
I agree but it is not all down to backlinks. Wiki is a bit of a hen/egg situation. It could be argued that the backlinks are a direct result of its content.

Wikipedia started dominating the top positions in many searches about five years ago. Obviously they have a massive amount of inbound links to internal pages but they had always had these. I would say that their success is down to an unbeatable backlink profile and a decision that was taken by Google to make them their trusted source. This is as good as it gets, great content, a massive number of backlinks and Google love.

I do think it was more than just an algo thing. Google may have actually manually bestowed authority status on them just as they once did with the Open directory (DMOZ).

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I agree but it is not all down to backlinks. Wiki is a bit of a hen/egg situation. It could be argued that the backlinks are a direct result of its content.

Wikipedia started dominating the top positions in many searches about five years ago. Obviously they have a massive amount of inbound links to internal pages but they had always had these. I would say that their success is down to an unbeatable backlink profile and a decision that was taken by Google to make them their trusted source. This is as good as it gets, great content, a massive number of backlinks and Google love.

I do think it was more than just an algo thing. Google may have actually manually bestowed authority status on them just as they once did with the Open directory (DMOZ).

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Indeed and in 2006 I wrote an article about this very thing :) have a read of the original trust rank Stanford document http://ilpubs.stanford.edu:8090/770/
 
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You may have a Ferrari but your not going anywhere without petrol.

Onsite seo is very important but then so is offsite.

Build your domain auth with quality onsite content and auth backlinks, once you got to the point where pages rank well automatically on index that's when you focus on building your brand, leverage social media, and watch backlinks generate automatically.

Im not saying forget about onsite im just saying in the beginning your going to need petrol to get the engine started.
 
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Well defined - but on your last one you put therefore SEO -

  • On-site SEO refers to anything you can do to improve your own website or blog so that search engines rank it highly
  • Off-site SEO refers to anything that is not part of your own website or blog, but that contributes to your PageRank and therefore SEO
 
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