In theory yes - but who knows in practice?
It's why some of these ambulence chasing designers really miff me. What's worse is normally they haven't a clue about accessibility bar their insistence on using alt attributes even when you shouldn't. I bet half of them haven't used a screenreader in their lives.
Hopefully the DRC should have the initial stages of PAS78 out sometime soon which should make interesting reading.
It's why some of these ambulence chasing designers really miff me. What's worse is normally they haven't a clue about accessibility bar their insistence on using alt attributes even when you shouldn't. I bet half of them haven't used a screenreader in their lives.
Hopefully the DRC should have the initial stages of PAS78 out sometime soon which should make interesting reading.
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JoyDivision
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With regard to ALT tags if it shouldn;t have one I usaly stick the image in a DIV as the image would be apart of the graphic design rather than the content.
But any image in an ALT tag should really have it, even if its just an illustration blind people won't know what it is and may think they are missing somthing.
I am not saying everything needs to be AAA standard and comply with RNIB guidelines but I think a lot fo companies still need be a lot more aware of it. For one thing accessable sites are more search engine freindly.
But any image in an ALT tag should really have it, even if its just an illustration blind people won't know what it is and may think they are missing somthing.
I am not saying everything needs to be AAA standard and comply with RNIB guidelines but I think a lot fo companies still need be a lot more aware of it. For one thing accessable sites are more search engine freindly.
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JoyDivision
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- #45
What ever you do don't do this
www.topman.co.uk
I though big companies learn't their lesson about Flash years ago?
http://www.topshop.com/promostores/tops/index.html?make_live=yes&promo=
Also with regard to ALT tags I.E gets this wrong, and becuase of this web designers missed use them and thought they were a funky way of displaying text when the mouse hoovered over it.
Firefox gets it right, the ALT tags are hidden from the user unless you look at the image properties.
www.topman.co.uk
I though big companies learn't their lesson about Flash years ago?
http://www.topshop.com/promostores/tops/index.html?make_live=yes&promo=
Also with regard to ALT tags I.E gets this wrong, and becuase of this web designers missed use them and thought they were a funky way of displaying text when the mouse hoovered over it.
Firefox gets it right, the ALT tags are hidden from the user unless you look at the image properties.
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e-web solutions
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- #46
We have something similar.
but we dont just say £400 for a website, we actually state that with this package which is aimed at small businesses that they only get 3 pages which is basically there to tell people what you do and to contact.
the website will be standards complient also so it will be a good site.
we are a new company and there is no chance at all that we can come in and offer top dollar prices for our services. we just wouldnt get the contracts off the bigger firms.
Maybe in a few years when we have established ourselves in the market we can have a look at raising prices as people would come to us because we do a good job not because were cheaper.
But at the moment we need to offer the lower prices to get us in the market.
Nothing wrong with that is there?
but we dont just say £400 for a website, we actually state that with this package which is aimed at small businesses that they only get 3 pages which is basically there to tell people what you do and to contact.
the website will be standards complient also so it will be a good site.
we are a new company and there is no chance at all that we can come in and offer top dollar prices for our services. we just wouldnt get the contracts off the bigger firms.
Maybe in a few years when we have established ourselves in the market we can have a look at raising prices as people would come to us because we do a good job not because were cheaper.
But at the moment we need to offer the lower prices to get us in the market.
Nothing wrong with that is there?
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thelock
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- #47
we tried to do something similar (but obviously in the construction industry) but found people thought we were slightly cowboy-ish. When we upped the price we found that we actually got more business. I know they might be two different industries but I think that most people will always think that there is a catch with cheap packages, whether it's that you arent much good or that they are going to be nailed with extra charges. In my opinion cheap equals too good to be true. Prices should be reasonable.
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Great thread, one thing that nobody has pointed out yet. £500 to a one man band might be worthy of as much consideration as £50k is to a medium sized company.
You work to your budget. i did my first site on Front Page (a good few years ago) just to have something on the domain. I didn't have time to do anything myself so i paid someone £300 for V2. I wrote it and supplied images. I paid £2k for V3 and have spent £2/300 this year to make changes.
I now use contribute to update/change text and will be changing the look (but not dramatically) at christmas to incorporate new company logo( to mark 10th year in business) that will be logo number 3.
I reguarly buy domain names that I think are relevant to what I do and point them at the main site.
I have bought a new domain and will need some holding pages set up but won't have time myself so yes I would pay £350 for a website.
You work to your budget. i did my first site on Front Page (a good few years ago) just to have something on the domain. I didn't have time to do anything myself so i paid someone £300 for V2. I wrote it and supplied images. I paid £2k for V3 and have spent £2/300 this year to make changes.
I now use contribute to update/change text and will be changing the look (but not dramatically) at christmas to incorporate new company logo( to mark 10th year in business) that will be logo number 3.
I reguarly buy domain names that I think are relevant to what I do and point them at the main site.
I have bought a new domain and will need some holding pages set up but won't have time myself so yes I would pay £350 for a website.
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EclipceCreate
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- #56
Hi all,
What about how efficient a web design company are?
Some developers could churn out a technically good 3-page web site in a single day, and struggle with the design. Some designers can get a spot on design for a client within hours, but then struggle with the development.
If you have the right team behind that £350 quote, then it makes more sense. If I was in a situation where I had to justify a low price to a client, I would simply tell them that, "We can undercut the competition because we work smarter and we work faster."
Russ
What about how efficient a web design company are?
Some developers could churn out a technically good 3-page web site in a single day, and struggle with the design. Some designers can get a spot on design for a client within hours, but then struggle with the development.
If you have the right team behind that £350 quote, then it makes more sense. If I was in a situation where I had to justify a low price to a client, I would simply tell them that, "We can undercut the competition because we work smarter and we work faster."
Russ
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Sometimes it's hard to bite your tongue / stamp on your fingers before responding to some of these messages over cheap web design.
Attempting to do so, if a company wants to spend £350 on a website then good on them. I hope they get what they want, if they don't then when they have topped up their budget there are a number of firms that would more than happily write something else for them from scratch.
After more than 10 years in the industry (that's that's just me - not adding up everyone in the company like lots of £350 a site companies), more household names that you could shake a stick at on my CV and the realisation that time really does equal money I wouldn't recommend that level of expenditure to all but the most hard up start-ups that are expecting to get any business from the web. If you want to make the web an effective outlet for your business then you should be willing to spend appropriately to do so.
That said there is a market and a reason for template sites, of which there are a couple of good posters here that will sell you one for < £100. Since that's all you're probably going to get for £350 why waste the extra £250.
Attempting to do so, if a company wants to spend £350 on a website then good on them. I hope they get what they want, if they don't then when they have topped up their budget there are a number of firms that would more than happily write something else for them from scratch.
After more than 10 years in the industry (that's that's just me - not adding up everyone in the company like lots of £350 a site companies), more household names that you could shake a stick at on my CV and the realisation that time really does equal money I wouldn't recommend that level of expenditure to all but the most hard up start-ups that are expecting to get any business from the web. If you want to make the web an effective outlet for your business then you should be willing to spend appropriately to do so.
That said there is a market and a reason for template sites, of which there are a couple of good posters here that will sell you one for < £100. Since that's all you're probably going to get for £350 why waste the extra £250.
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stagetec
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- #61
Your web site should work for you, it should become part of your sales team and you should set sales targets as you would a member of staff - so what is £350?
It's nothing, not only way too cheap, but also totally the wrong attititude - anyone looking at building a new web should be looking at it as a long term project and budget accordingly.
Andy
It's nothing, not only way too cheap, but also totally the wrong attititude - anyone looking at building a new web should be looking at it as a long term project and budget accordingly.
Andy
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bci
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- #62
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I wouldn't pay £350 for a website. Far too cheap.
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Maybe so. But often, price has little to do with quality - you could pay ten times as much and still end up with the same site! Or even worse - end up with a lesser site!
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.... When we upped the price we found that we actually got more business.
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My point precisely!
I wouldn't pay £350 for a website. Far too cheap.
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Maybe so. But often, price has little to do with quality - you could pay ten times as much and still end up with the same site! Or even worse - end up with a lesser site!
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.... When we upped the price we found that we actually got more business.
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My point precisely!
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crus
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- #63
Interesting thread,
the reason I stopped building for clients was this reason, but the market has moved again.
Everyone wants something different ,from what I'm hearing.
Not saying this is such an offer, but many companies offer a template that you can buy for next to nothing, hashed with your company data for around this price, or a rehash of someone else's site.
Now for some this will work, but for many there is no point in spending the money for a compromise, eg £350 will barely buy you any SEO, so whats the point in having a site without it in the searchengines?
But again, horses for courses.
D
Then again, I did just build a 'friends' letting website for a very low 4 figure sum, with hosting and domains, so it can be done, her next best quote was £5K.
the reason I stopped building for clients was this reason, but the market has moved again.
Everyone wants something different ,from what I'm hearing.
Not saying this is such an offer, but many companies offer a template that you can buy for next to nothing, hashed with your company data for around this price, or a rehash of someone else's site.
Now for some this will work, but for many there is no point in spending the money for a compromise, eg £350 will barely buy you any SEO, so whats the point in having a site without it in the searchengines?
But again, horses for courses.
D
Then again, I did just build a 'friends' letting website for a very low 4 figure sum, with hosting and domains, so it can be done, her next best quote was £5K.
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quotes4
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- #64
This sort of service/product is only going to attract new business people who perhaps haven't experienced the real costs of running a business.
My company also provides a starter site package (although more expensive than £350) as you have to in order to appeal to those companies who are looking for a quick and cheap start to their on-line existence.
Once companies have been around for a while and have tried other forms of advertising and marketing then they will soon realise that they need to invest more into their website as they begin to realise the value of having a good, well optimised site.
If you can get them on board early with a low cost site then you are more likely to get the work to improve the site later on.
That's my theory anyway.
But overall the web design market is very competitive thus the reason behind us moving towards the quotes4awebsite.com site.
My company also provides a starter site package (although more expensive than £350) as you have to in order to appeal to those companies who are looking for a quick and cheap start to their on-line existence.
Once companies have been around for a while and have tried other forms of advertising and marketing then they will soon realise that they need to invest more into their website as they begin to realise the value of having a good, well optimised site.
If you can get them on board early with a low cost site then you are more likely to get the work to improve the site later on.
That's my theory anyway.
But overall the web design market is very competitive thus the reason behind us moving towards the quotes4awebsite.com site.
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Coding Monkey
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- #65
Hmm, shame I missed this one. I've had people contact me wanting a website, then I'd call them back the next day (as they'd e-mail at night) and by that time find they've already got a website for £99. But this is often a very straight forward method, as every client of mine has a great understanding of their business and the importance of what I'm doing, whether or not I educate them about the benefits (which I do), because they're aware of the perception of presentation. These are the successful companies I want to be dealing with.
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