There's a big SEO company in Edinburgh who are known as the SEO factory. They basically have a production line of graduates on £16k pa battering out copy, doing simple site adjustments etc. I know of one maths graduate whos job it is to literally sit and post links on blogs. Not exactly the dream, but it seems to work for them.
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I've (until recently) always worked alone on clients sites. I find it gives me ultimate control over all aspects of the job but recently worked on a project where other seo guys were working simultaneously as myself. Following that experience I'm going back to my old way of working, I will not take a project on, if other seo companies are also involved in the same project at the same time. This doesn't rule out working on a site that's been worked on before but the deciding factor is there mustn't be another company onboard.
Just my views.
Ray
Just my views.
Ray
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Kev Jaques
Pretty much most of it is common sense, I see no reason why it should be a pain unless the developer is not savvy! I would then question why had they not discussed the issues at hand to resolve them and both learn from it.
If something in the seo process makes sense and there is a legitimate reason for a particular way then it should be discussed rather than it being a pain.
Remember if you are working as part of a team, everyone needs to be working from the same page, this is what team work is about, if someone is not up to speed again this is where team work comes in.
Ok it might take a little longer initially, but going forward it's a whole lot quicker!
Here we go again with all these sweeping statements lol
If something in the seo process makes sense and there is a legitimate reason for a particular way then it should be discussed rather than it being a pain.
Remember if you are working as part of a team, everyone needs to be working from the same page, this is what team work is about, if someone is not up to speed again this is where team work comes in.
Ok it might take a little longer initially, but going forward it's a whole lot quicker!
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Kev, it makes sense what you're saying but, sometimes you end up working on a project which requires the developer to do a fair bit more work in order to develop the right flexibility for seo within the framework of the site. Real problems can pop up when...
a] the developer doesn't fully accept the importance of suggested changes in admin or,
b] the work involved on their part is "not worth the amount of time in changing a system that's been in use for a while" or...
c] I think the system is fine (developers view) why can't you work around it?
I don't think the comment was sweeping as Slackers stated "sometimes" and sometimes it is a real setback when you end up working with a developer who's precious about his work. In the end, it's the paying client who loses out.
Let me make myself clear here. I'm not casting aspersions at every developer, far from it. There are developers out there who'll happily do whatever is required for the complete success of the project but there are also developers out there who insist on digging their heels in and will not do their bit despite client requests. I'm involved in one project like this at the moment where this is happening and because the project cost is over £100k everyone involved (other than the programmers) is desperately trying to find a solution, but it's not as easy as it would appear.
The bottom line is, not everyone is a team player.
a] the developer doesn't fully accept the importance of suggested changes in admin or,
b] the work involved on their part is "not worth the amount of time in changing a system that's been in use for a while" or...
c] I think the system is fine (developers view) why can't you work around it?
I don't think the comment was sweeping as Slackers stated "sometimes" and sometimes it is a real setback when you end up working with a developer who's precious about his work. In the end, it's the paying client who loses out.
Let me make myself clear here. I'm not casting aspersions at every developer, far from it. There are developers out there who'll happily do whatever is required for the complete success of the project but there are also developers out there who insist on digging their heels in and will not do their bit despite client requests. I'm involved in one project like this at the moment where this is happening and because the project cost is over £100k everyone involved (other than the programmers) is desperately trying to find a solution, but it's not as easy as it would appear.
The bottom line is, not everyone is a team player.
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Kev Jaques
Hi Ray, Oh yea I'm with you 100% on that 
And yes it is more than likely there will be obstacles, this is always going to be where the spec/documentation should be discussed/changed in an iterative process before any code is touched. Get the business rules in prior to saying it works when it doesn't kind of thing.
I know we can all be stubborn at times and your c] point is a funny one in the sense it is more truer to life but still is a completely valid point. This aspect is that the system is not fine if it is not flexible enough to meet the business needs so any developer should have open ears for this regardless of the work involved.
And yes it is more than likely there will be obstacles, this is always going to be where the spec/documentation should be discussed/changed in an iterative process before any code is touched. Get the business rules in prior to saying it works when it doesn't kind of thing.
I know we can all be stubborn at times and your c] point is a funny one in the sense it is more truer to life but still is a completely valid point. This aspect is that the system is not fine if it is not flexible enough to meet the business needs so any developer should have open ears for this regardless of the work involved.
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If a company has 10 people SEOing one site I don't think this is a problem as long as the project has a project manager pulling all the team together and making sure theyre all working towards the same goal. There are a number of different skills needed in SEO so you either need one clever person witha very heavy work load or a team who are good their individual tasks e.g link building, copy writing, html etc etc
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Again, personally I work alone it seems to work best for me
Interesting I have never had a problem with developers or designers.
I think it is important to explain to business owners just how crucial SEO is to an online business with hopefully examples of previous work demonstrating the dramatic increase in business that is possible.
It is then up to the owner to instruct the developers to give the SEO every assistance to achieve the goals.
My own experience over many years is that once a designer understands the importance of what we are after achieving they work in complete harmony with us.
Now I think there is a need for mutual respect in the relationship.
I certainly respect that the developers have far more skill than I do in there area's.
As said its important to get the site owner to instruct the designers/developers to do what is asked by the SEO,Not in order for me to say I am the big I am or throw my weight around.
But in order to gain the success of the site.
I am currently working with a site that has 3 developers and various other people involved and we all work in harmony for the greater good.
They always defer to me before any changes are made to the site ,simply because they are not qualified to assess the impact of changes on the sites rankings.
Having said that if a developer does not toe the line then they are out or I am.
P.S so far I have never been out.
Earl
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There are two big weaknesses to working alone.
(a) maximum leverage on time.....conducting the orchestra, not playing the intstruments
And important
(b) A lot of SEO (and other mechanical marketing processes generally) is about systematic testing of ideas to know what works and what is changing. Hard to do enough experiments to make sensible conclusion as a loner to stay ahead of the game...
Not a problem for earl. He just waives his wand, and whispers an incantation in chinglish....
I think there is a significant issue in Tins post. - Multiple bosses is hard ( sharing of authoirty/responsibility) , but multiple people is not, necessarily with a good leader and team
(a) maximum leverage on time.....conducting the orchestra, not playing the intstruments
And important
(b) A lot of SEO (and other mechanical marketing processes generally) is about systematic testing of ideas to know what works and what is changing. Hard to do enough experiments to make sensible conclusion as a loner to stay ahead of the game...
Not a problem for earl. He just waives his wand, and whispers an incantation in chinglish....
I think there is a significant issue in Tins post. - Multiple bosses is hard ( sharing of authoirty/responsibility) , but multiple people is not, necessarily with a good leader and team
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Posting as a client rather than a SEO
I would prefer to have one point of contact who did all the work. However, I worry a lot when working with one man bands as the risk is increased in my view.
This can of course be reduced by documenting all work and changes and having a plan in place for when said one man band walks in front of number 9 bus
I would prefer to have one point of contact who did all the work. However, I worry a lot when working with one man bands as the risk is increased in my view.
This can of course be reduced by documenting all work and changes and having a plan in place for when said one man band walks in front of number 9 bus
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This can of course be reduced by documenting all work and changes and having a plan in place for when said one man band walks in front of number 9 bus
you don't need to worry about documents its all on your sites including off site links e.t.c .Any qualified SEO will understand the site.
Have no fear of your SEO being knocked down by a No9 bus.
Why would we go near them when we all have perfectly good Ferrari's to use.?
Earl
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Why would we go near them when we all have perfectly good Ferrari's to use.?
Earl
Us mortals prefer something a bit more substantial than those pesky sports cars. I went karting yesterday in Lyon and that just re-enforced what I already knew. I should not get behind the wheel of fast cars!
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I'm trying to figure this out.
Does everyone agree that you need one seo guy who heads a team of people taking orders of him. These people each have there own speciality. Coding, Content and graphic design being the important extra's.
Head optimiser then puts all these to use on your website.
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When we are in bussiness, SEO and PPC for our Online Shopping is more and more important for the Search Engines.
When we have just 1 or 2 sorts of products, seo is battery than ppc.
When the crush is enough, ppc is another bettery choice.
Then, if we need to find the very buyer, we must go to Online Shopping to post of information.
So, how a bout my site here:laptopsbattery.us
When we have just 1 or 2 sorts of products, seo is battery than ppc.
When the crush is enough, ppc is another bettery choice.
Then, if we need to find the very buyer, we must go to Online Shopping to post of information.
So, how a bout my site here:laptopsbattery.us
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