Magento

[smo]

I've been looking at magento for the last few minuntes with a view to installing a test setup to have a play and see how it fits our requirements, however i found this:

Magento 1.3.3.0 stable (April 23, 2010)
Magento 1.4.0.1 stable (February 19, 2010)
Magento 1.4.0.0 stable (February 12, 2010)
Magento 1.4.0.0-rc1 (December 31, 2009)

I'm not quite understanding, and the site makes no reference, as to why the latest stable release is "earlier" than the previous ones?? Surely release numbers increase?

 

[Vision2]

I've been looking at magento for the last few minuntes with a view to installing a test setup to have a play and see how it fits our requirements, however i found this:

Magento 1.3.3.0 stable (April 23, 2010)
Magento 1.4.0.1 stable (February 19, 2010)
Magento 1.4.0.0 stable (February 12, 2010)
Magento 1.4.0.0-rc1 (December 31, 2009)

I'm not quite understanding, and the site makes no reference, as to why the latest stable release is "earlier" than the previous ones?? Surely release numbers increase?

1.3.3 added 3d payment into play that 1.4 has, hense its date is after rather than before, they wanted to apply the 3d payment to 1.3

1.4 is still effectively beta and shouldnt be used until it hits 1.4.1 at least - so another few months basically.

 

[smo]

Er, not sure i follow - to add something to an earlier release you would add it in, then up the release??

Also on http://www.magentocommerce.com/download it shows 1.4.0.1 as a live stable relase, no mention of a beta?

 

[Vision2]

Er, not sure i follow - to add something to an earlier release you would add it in, then up the release??

Also on http://www.magentocommerce.com/download it shows 1.4.0.1 as a live stable relase, no mention of a beta?

its stable as far as you can throw it, but it's not wise to use a newly released version for production level.

1.3 to 1.4 is a major revision, lots and lots of changes, so plenty of area's for things to go wrong with. Use 1.3, in a few months upgrade there is already a new 1.4 release out not so long ago to fix a load of things, but as i said, wait till 1.4.1.x rather than using 1.4.0.x

Just to forewarn you through, Magento isn't a 'pickup, install it, oh i'm done' system, prepair yourself for months of learning it from a designer/dev point of view.

 

[smo]

I just want to see if it does what i need, then i'll hand over to someone else. Currently we use cubecart which i did all the work on and whilst i like it we need some serious work done now so a change might be in order.

Why does the install guide demand you install sample data first....i'm not sure i want any sample data installed at all!!!

 

[Vision2]

install it via SSH if you know how to

to be honest, just installing it won't tell you overly much, granted, it's good to have a bit of a play.

Rather than installing, you can just have a looksie at the demo: http://www.magentocommerce.com/demo

Shoot me over a brief and i'll have a looksie.

 

[mangoprint]

Just in case you don't know, you really need a dedicated server to run Magento as it is resource hungry.

You can put it on a shared server but it runs slow!!

I opted for opencart which is coming on leaps and bounds every day and is very lite.

My store is built on it. Excellently coded too.

hope this helps!

 

[Vision2]

Just in case you don't know, you really need a dedicated server to run Magento as it is resource hungry.

You can put it on a shared server but it runs slow!!

I opted for opencart which is coming on leaps and bounds every day and is very lite.

My store is built on it. Excellently coded too.

hope this helps!

that's misleading

Magento is a heavy duty system indeed, and does need to be on a dedicated or cloud, that doesn't mean to say that you should be the only one forking out for it.

me and others like Edmond on here have servers, not sure what edmond has setup, i have my own dedicated servers that are spreading the cost over clients, each paying £30 a month which no one in their right mind would even consider saying "oh my god man, that's expensive!" if you do then in all honesty I wouldn't want to bother doing a site for that company

Obviously some will shift over to their own dedi/cloud or whatever else comes about when the resources require it.

VPS / Shared doesn't cut it - talk to someone who deals in Magento, they will have hosting setup specifically for it.

besides, if you require your own dedi or whatever else, that must be justified in the sales/traffic volumnes your site is generating, so do you care if you are paying for your own server your self when you are at that level? it's peanuts.

 

[smo]

All of our hosting is on a cluster so running magento is no problem if we were to go that way

 

[kulture]

Magento 1.4.0.1 is quite stable. The fragility comes in adding too many add ons. It also seems to be less resource heavy than previous incarnations. So a VPS is not out of the question although obviously it depends on the number of products/visitors etc etc.

It does take a couple of months to go live, and given that I would recommend that you start on the 1.4 branch and not the 1.3. The upgrade from 1.3 to 1.4 is not trouble free. y the time you go live the 1.4 branch will be more stable.

 

[smo]

Just had a play with their demo, i really hope they have some fantastic documentation because some of their setup is rather counter intuitive and confusing.

I also noticed it was dog slow, i would have thought on their own demo store it would be super fast???

 

[Vision2]

see pm, sounds stupid but the speed of their demo isn't indictive of the speed of a site.

sounds very stupid

 

[smo]

Got it, thanks for the pm

 

[edmondscommerce]

for the record:

1. we don't do hosting ourselves, we believe in putting clients directly in touch with proper hosting companies with 24 hour support etc etc. We have some good relations with hosts that handle Magento well.

2. I would set up new sites on the 1.4 branch, had a few niggles with it but nothing serious and the benefits of the new system are definitely worth it, plus as someone said earlier, upgrading from 1.3 to 1.4 isn't too easy so it makes sense to get into the 1.4 branch straight away. Upgrading 1.4 incrementally should then go smoothly as updates come out.