How to prepare for recession?

My friend @The Byre is fond of reminding us of the pending financial apocalypse.

I don't always agree with him, but he is always worth hearing. In this case, I'd suggest that it would be certifiable not to expect some sort of downturn, or recession.

The length, depth and severity of that recession is almost irrelevant to us normal folk. What is important that we go in with our eyes open and put certain measures in place to ride, or even beat it.

Having experienced three of the blighters, I've started a list below of recommended measures - particularly for those who haven't yet been there.

It's far from exhaustive or universal, just a starting point - all additions/challenges are welcome


Personal:

Re-think your appetite for risk; particularly with savings/investments you might need to access for cash.
Look to fix your mortgage rate
Pay down high-rate or high-repayment debt (particular caution with fixed term 0% credit cards - they catch a lot of people out)
Get rid of excess assets.

Business:

Review all your overheads, now!
Consider pivoting to deal with recession-proof (or resilient) sectors.
Dispose of all excess assets, particularly plant & vehicles - the there has never been a better time to do this.
Review your debt. Obviously pay off is best, otherwise consider longer terms and fixed repayments. Be extra cautious of 'repayable on demand' facilities such as overdraft.

One more thing - from a jaded old finance hack - Never, ever try to borrow your way out of trouble!

Even if the predictions are wrong, you will be better off for it!
 

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Useful, and practical, stuff.

I think some kind of downturn is inevitable, masked slightly in the statistics by inflation.

I think this time the personal challenges might be the biggest ones, with very serious increases in the cost of living. I am of the view that we are going to look at real inflation figures of somewhere in the region of 20% for a couple of years.

That has a potentially big impact on the value of pensions, too, which extends the length of the shadow a bit.
 
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Useful, and practical, stuff.

I think some kind of downturn is inevitable, masked slightly in the statistics by inflation.

I think this time the personal challenges might be the biggest ones, with very serious increases in the cost of living. I am of the view that we are going to look at real inflation figures of somewhere in the region of 20% for a couple of years.

That has a potentially big impact on the value of pensions, too, which extends the length of the shadow a bit.
Indeed. Like you I've experienced life in high inflation/high interest environments. There who many who actually believe that 2% is unreal.
 
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    Yes, useful advice above, we are already seeing very nervous financial markets out there this week a week which started pretty good until the FED meeting mins came out confirming ending QE and interest rate raises all coming much quicker than expected this caused a massive sell off around the world during last few days. Unfortunately, when the FED sneeze, we all cope it so expect more turbulence ahead.

    With huge raises in the cost of living coming for us all in the UK and the strain that is going to have on the collective wallets best to plan for the worst and hope for the best, but your correct it’s certainly not looking very promising.
     
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    Assuming you have spare cash

    If you are thinking of replacing your car - Buy the most reliable one out there for cash which you are happy not to replace for 10 years.

    If you have any appliances that are getting near end of life - Buy the most reliable alternatives for cash

    If heating system needs upgrading - do it now

    If you've been thinking of upgrading double glazing/insulation - do it now

    If you've got room get your vegetable plots established

    It's amazing how little income you need if you have already paid for everything you own.
     
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    Make sure you are well stocked up on toilet paper!

    One more thing - from a jaded old finance hack - Never, ever try to borrow your way out of trouble!

    This is an excellent piece of advice. It should be repeated everywhere, and not just in a recession. I learned this one the hard way.

    Which sort of makes a mockery of all those Covid loans the government gave out.
     
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    My understanding is that the big boys have already started selling off in a big way, only a handful of companies are keeping most markets alive, such as Amazon, Google, Facebook etc, these will survive and end up owning most things in the future.

    Most other companies are losing value, Jan 12 is a big day, where the Fed announces the official inflation rate in the USA.

    The big problem is many today have little conception of life under high inflation, and after decades of printing money the debt today dwarfs previous problems. The Fed has warned of a program of quantitative easing reduction and a couple of interests rate rises for this coming year, so far. Now ask a scary question, what if such measures do not slow down inflation, the only tool in the past recessions to work was interest rates rising to very high levels, 10/15% APR or more?

    As for advice, sell what you do not need, only buy what you need, do not borrow unless totally required, and most importantly, control your clients accounts and debts. Start chasing those late payers, stop offering easy credit, impose harder credit control and checks, get YOUR money in, leave it too late, and you are going to be at the back of a very long line.
     
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    The big market mover today (which we are watching) is the US Non-farm Payrolls (1.30 GMT) if it does not hit the 400k predicted figure expect another big slide on the other hand if it does and employment rate is 4.1% as estimated we could expect a nice little rise in the markets before closing out for the weekend.
     
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    most importantly, control your clients accounts and debts. Start chasing those late payers, stop offering easy credit, impose harder credit control and checks, get YOUR money in, leave it too late, and you are going to be at the back of a very long line.
    This.

    In fact I'm embarrassed to have missed it out.
     
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    This.

    In fact I'm embarrassed to have missed it out.
    Better late than never, there's a lot going on at the moment. Semi retired guys like myself have more time to set the world to rights.

    Feel sorry for today’s youngsters, at least in my day house prices were high but still manageable, many today could see record repossessions, but I truly hope I am wrong in that belief.
     
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    Feel sorry for today’s youngsters, at least in my day house prices were high but still manageable, many today could see record repossessions, but I truly hope I am wrong in that belief.
    Yes - affordability hasn't been hugely different due to low interest rates. If that changes more than a little there will be huge problems - which our leaders are undoubtedly aware of.

    Mind you, repossessions in '92 were pretty mad.
     
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    Mind you, repossessions in '92 were pretty mad.
    Yeah, that's when I ended up on couches and floors for a while.

    Feel sorry for today’s youngsters, at least in my day house prices were high but still manageable
    House prices are, IMHO, unsustainable right now. I have a daughter of house buying age, my wife moved in with me in our first house when she was our daughters age. My daughter who self-employed earns more than most her peers still has no chance of affording anything in this area. She'd need to move to ROI or many more miles away from here to stand a chance.
    A crash to realign house prices is needed for society as a whole, but selfishly/personally I would hate for that to happen.
     
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    Given that honourable mention at the top of this thread, I suppose I have to get stuck in!

    Things to bear in mind right now -

    1. Recession/depression/turmoil and even war also bring opportunities! Some people got fabulously rich during the hyperinflation of the Weimar Republic, during the 2008-9 GFC and during every war that ever there was. One thing is certain - the establishment and established wisdom get ripped to shreds in such times and the fleet-of-foot who read the tea leaves correctly will be the winners.

    2. Nothing I have written here or elsewhere is a certainty. I always say that I can predict anything - except the future! What I can do is give people the percentages and point to the dangers and the opportunities. The dangers are massive, but then so are the accompanying opportunities! The trouble with those opportunities is that they mostly lie OUTSIDE the established ways of investing and doing things.

    3. Every time that a government has lost control, they have done so because they are incompetent, dictatorial, or corrupt - or usually, a combination of all three (see Kazakhstan today!) However, when a government loses control, they label that 'anarchy' and send in the troops to kill people.

    4. The US and the UK are both governed by mildly corrupt and grossly incompetent regimes. Russia and China are both unstable dictatorships with giant debt and other economic and social problems. Smaller EU counties such as Hungary, Italy and Greece are up to their little ears in debt and have terrible balance of trade deficits. Others like Venezuela and Turkey are collapsing in front of our eyes. The world is rapidly becoming extremely unstable and dangerous.

    5. The banks are out of control. Numerous books have been published with meticulous details of crimes committed by the world's largest banks Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Link 4 Link 5 Link 6 Those six are just for starters and only deal with the US banks. They list actual crimes and name the names of the criminals - about which not even an investigation was ever initiated. They and their European counterparts are now so powerful that they no longer bother to hide their crimes, safe in the knowledge that they can bring down any company, no matter how large, by withdrawing their credit and downgrading their stock. Banks are today more powerful than the dot-coms, the media, or any government.

    I am not going to tell anyone what to do or even what I think will happen. Governments and central banks are kicking the can down the road, whilst the house of cards that is the Western financial system and the stock markets continues to gain height. (Even old hedge-fund manager Jeff Grantham came out of hibernation to warn of the biggest crash in human history.)

    But here's what I have been doing for the past 20 years -

    1. Debt-free. Apart from some strategic company debt in Germany to ameliorate a 30% corporation tax, we are debt-free. No mortgages, no leases, no credit card carry-overs, nothing. I do not even allow the deeds to anything we own to be in the hands of solicitors.

    2. I have long since sold all shares in regular, publically listed companies. PE ratios and far too high and debt levels are even higher. The stock markets are over-leveraged and most shares are bought using margin accounts, i.e. with debt. When (if?) the balloon goes up, good stocks will have to be sold to cover bad positions, so I own nothing in the regular stock markets.

    3. Cash is falling in value, but I still need to hold some, so that when that balloon goes up, I have the option of being able to buy good stocks with good P&L accounts and are free of debt. Cash gives one 'optionality'.

    4. I do not hold my cash in UK banks as I do not trust them. I have good reason to not trust them: they tried to steal from me before and they'll do it again! I trust fund managers about two meters, as I am a big boy and that's about as far as I could throw any one of the larger ones. No pension funds, no ETFs, none of that "Give us your money!" industry. Indexed, not indexed - it makes no difference! These people do NOT know what they are doing and when the crash comes, their trousers will be around their ankles and in flames. They are not hedged against EVERY asset going down - because if there is a crash, all those margin calls will bring everything down - starting with share prices and commercial real estate.

    5. So let's talk about a REAL hedge against inflation and a market crash - gold, silver and farmland. The first two are the only real currencies going and you'll need farmland to survive. Also, if you buy UK gold coins from the Royal Mint, any increase in value is tax-free. And farmland is usually free of inheritance tax. Your grandchildren will thank you! And talking of gold and silver, I did buy shares in eight junior miners (gold and silver) and all in the US or Canada. If only one of those comes in with a substantial find, I'm ahead of the game!

    6. I have the basics to make our own food. Land, a tractor, plough, harrows, mower, rotavator, etc. and we have strategic relations with neighbours who are already producing pork, mutton, lamb and eggs.

    Things to bear in mind for the future -

    If the markets go down, they will stay down for quite some time, so any cash available can be used carefully and after research. It's a good idea to do that research now. Identify good companies with healthy P&L accounts and good IP that others do not have. For example, Franklin Electric (FELE). It owns dozens of patents in water management and in pump and motor designs and it is debt-free. Freshwater will be tomorrow's gold and only Franklin has the know-how to move it around in bulk and in smaller amounts. It has a 50% market share worldwide in submersible electric motors. Right now the price is too high, but when it goes down, it will be golden. Other similar companies are out there waiting for you!

    As my old sergeant major, Ron Vines used to say "Any fool can rough it. It requires intelligence to be comfortable." So learn to make food and drink. Learn how to brew beer, make wine, drive a tractor, plant and mill grain to make flour and therefore bread. Put a wood-burner you can cook on in the kitchen. Keep that larder and the woodshed stocked up. Plant apple trees.

    It takes two to three days of empty shops before the crowds start to throw rocks and set fire to policemen. Hungry people will go to any lengths to get food. Living in a town is not a good idea if there is civil unrest - though that sort of thing will probably start in the US.

    But this moronic government (aided and abetted by the media) will be stupid enough to whip up hysteria just as they did over Covid.
     
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    A crash to realign house prices is needed for society as a whole, but selfishly/personally I would hate for that to happen.
    Funnily enough, at an entirely personal level I'd welcome it, despite the impact on my net worth.

    The wider challenge is that our perception of wellbeing and wealth is ridiculously linked to the value of our home - irrespective of real affordability a drop in house prices will swiftly and directly impact on the leisure and retail sectors - which of course will hit the recession accelerator.
     
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    Yeah, that's when I ended up on couches and floors for a while.


    House prices are, IMHO, unsustainable right now. I have a daughter of house buying age, my wife moved in with me in our first house when she was our daughters age. My daughter who self-employed earns more than most her peers still has no chance of affording anything in this area. She'd need to move to ROI or many more miles away from here to stand a chance.
    A crash to realign house prices is needed for society as a whole, but selfishly/personally I would hate for that to happen.
    Selfishly with a 21,19 and 15 yo I would be happy to see a 50%+ drop in house prices - I have nothing to lose as I have no mortgage and am not moving and they have everything to gain. The house would still be worth double what I paid for it in Dec1999 (147.5k has become nearly 600k), if you take what we paid for our first house in 94 and add the amount we had to finance to trade up to this in 99 we have only invested 107.5k(+ mortgage interest) into property and have had 28 yrs of a roof over my head. If the house became worth £1 I would still have a house and no extra debt
     
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    A good time to invest in labour saving items be it software or mechanical

    Consider if you are a bank or other type of business and reduce credit terms to the minimum you can and keep a eye on those accounts you have, say every 6 months. maybe buy access to company accounts and get notifications of any changes

    If you are cash risk then consider buying some assets from the company and renting them back so if the worst happens you might be able to restart

    Move the house into a honest family person say your wife so safeguarded if the worst happens. I think it takes about 6 years to be safe from IP

    Reduce stock levels to what's actually needed and sell off the dead stock

    History with a account does not mean its future proof so don't be complacent

    Act fast on any sign of a down turn and make quick decisions
     
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    Funnily enough, at an entirely personal level I'd welcome it
    Selfishly with a 21,19 and 15 yo I would be happy to see a 50%+ drop in house prices
    Mine are 19 and 16, so I would actually welcome it myself for them. I do have a mortgage and a 50% crash would put me in NE but so long as I had no plans to move (which I don't) it doesn't really matter. In the crash of 2007/8 I had bank finance on my house at the time and the crash then did put us into NE, and the bank muted the subject of calling in their debenture. That was a dark time but thankfully now, no company debt and no claims on the house so as long as I pay the mortgage...
    irrespective of real affordability a drop in house prices will swiftly and directly impact on the leisure and retail sectors - which of course will hit the recession accelerator.
    That's actually a really, really important point which I never see picked up.

    I was at a meeting some some of the opposition MP's from different parties a couple years back (when you could meet them face to face) talking about financial crime. I was campaigning at the time for changes in the Companies Act and associated land/property registration. A lot of London property is owned by "untraceable" funds, and the topic of closing the loopholes and making it impossible for these purchases to happen. Doing so would bring down the property prices so that people living in London could afford to buy, that's a given as much of the property prices are artificially inflated by laundered money. That's well known in many circles, and in various media if you look.
    No party could support that action as no party wants to see the headlines that they caused a recession, no matter what the reasons behind it. It was the news stories and media attention they were afraid of, better to let the laundered money buy London property and drive up the prices.
     
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    The US and the UK are both governed by mildly corrupt and grossly incompetent regimes. Russia and China are both unstable dictatorships with giant debt and other economic and social problems. Smaller EU counties such as Hungary, Italy and Greece are up to their little ears in debt and have terrible balance of trade deficits. Others like Venezuela and Turkey are collapsing in front of our eyes. The world is rapidly becoming extremely unstable and dangerous.

    I watched The World At War again over the holidays.

    Frightening how close we could get to another one at the moment

    If Russia want Ukraine and Kazakhstan where's next?
    Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia and eventually Turkey?
     
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    These two were posted today - I can find a thousand similar economists saying the same things
    So what you're basically saying is I should hold off on the penthouse in Knightsbridge? ;):eek:
     
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    So what you're basically saying is I should hold off on the penthouse in Knightsbridge? ;):eek:
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    The cost of living crisis will affect many of us!
     
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    These two were posted today - I can find a thousand similar economists saying the same things -
    I personally expect an extension of a tech crash, there has been a little bit of one now. I think Bitcoin will also hit its limits at some point. I agree with you that inflation will continue for a while. I expect governments to resist an increase in interest rates and be in a cleft fiscal stick.

    However, although there is likely to be a short term carry forward to other equities things like commodities will continue to make profits and having a share of those profits will be a good thing to have. Hence if you hold dividend paying equities with adequate cover (minimum of 1, but ideally more) in the commodity space things should come up again reasonably quickly.

    Kitco, however, are in the precious metals business. Hence they are always on the side of building up custom for them to sell precious metals to.
     
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    I've done much of what @Mark T Jones has said already with our business. I know some took the BBL's and spent it thinking it was free money.

    We off loaded loads of stuff, and slimmed it down, and already feel the benefits.

    I remember @The Byre posting a while ago about China having plans beyond our 4 year political terms.

    I tend to plan longer term, both personally and in business.

    Once the new bathroom is installed at home, it's start over paying on mortgage to get it down as far as possible before the fixed rate ends in 4 years. I don't want to be borrowing more than I need to at a higher rate. I'm fairly sure even if house prices dropped we'd not hit negative equity.

    Being younger (30's) a crash in the markets would possibly be beneficial for my pension, as there's time for it to recover between now and retirement, those nearer retirement won't be so lucky.
     
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    Kitco, however, are in the precious metals business. Hence they are always on the side of building up custom for them to sell precious metals to.
    Gold dealers are making one hell of a noise right now, but not getting that much traction from corporate and fund buyers. They are gaining some ground with retail buyers - who only buy small amounts!

    Being younger (30's) a crash in the markets would possibly be beneficial for my pension, as there's time for it to recover between now and retirement, those nearer retirement won't be so lucky.
    The real danger is that a pension fund can be wiped out in a real crash. Ther are usually managed by some fund managers who do not really know what they is doing. Most just buy shares and bonds and claim that they are diversified. If they were genuinely diversified, their share and bond portfolio should be no more than 25% of the fund.

    My real concern is that everything is in an extreme situation - every number, every metric, every situation.

    The banks are out of control. Fines do not work - they just go back to the Fed-teet and print themselves more money. US, UK and German governments tried fining the Deutsche and they just went to the NY Fed in 2019 and got themselves nearly $12bn more. This happened just 13 days after it was raided by the German police for the second time in 2019 for aiding money laundering from Russia.

    A woman sent by the Fed to monitor the relationship between the NY Fed and Goldman Sachs reported back that they were in cahoots in criminal activities. She was immediately fired.

    In the first six months of 2019, long before there was a pandemic anywhere in the world, Reuters reported that JPMorgan-Chase had reduced the reserves it was holding at the Fed by $158 billion, or an alarming 57 percent. To this day, no one knows what JPMorgan Chase needed that money for or why the Fed let it draw down those reserves.

    Stock PE ratios are stupidly and completely unsustainably high. There is one doozy of an energy crisis looming. The total debts of the US government that are not covered by assets or other funds come to $165 trillion (including local and state debts). Private debt is escalating. Money velocity over the past 20 years has halved and is even in danger of falling below one - i.e. market-driven quantitative tightening by people and companies getting ready for the worst.

    And all the while, central banks pay lip-service to quantitative tightening and an increase in interest rates - but apart from a few nominal points added here and there, they are not doing any real QT at all!

    Spending by the UK government today accounts for 50% of the UK economy. History has taught us that the UK economy can bear 35% at the very most. Government interest payments now are greater than defense spending.

    The house of cards is just getting taller and taller!
     
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    The real danger is that a pension fund can be wiped out in a real crash. Ther are usually managed by some fund managers who do not really know what they is doing. Most just buy shares and bonds and claim that they are diversified. If they were genuinely diversified, their share and bond portfolio should be no more than 25% of the fund.
    My current pension is a high risk fund, if recession hits, I'll look at splitting contributions between a lower risk. I've not been contributing that long, so the overall risk isn't massive.

    Thankfully other than the mortgage personally I've zero on credit.
     
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    Given that honourable mention at the top of this thread, I suppose I have to get stuck in!

    Things to bear in mind right now -

    1. Recession/depression/turmoil and even war also bring opportunities! Some people got fabulously rich during the hyperinflation of the Weimar Republic, during the 2008-9 GFC and during every war that ever there was. One thing is certain - the establishment and established wisdom get ripped to shreds in such times and the fleet-of-foot who read the tea leaves correctly will be the winners.

    2. Nothing I have written here or elsewhere is a certainty. I always say that I can predict anything - except the future! What I can do is give people the percentages and point to the dangers and the opportunities. The dangers are massive, but then so are the accompanying opportunities! The trouble with those opportunities is that they mostly lie OUTSIDE the established ways of investing and doing things.

    3. Every time that a government has lost control, they have done so because they are incompetent, dictatorial, or corrupt - or usually, a combination of all three (see Kazakhstan today!) However, when a government loses control, they label that 'anarchy' and send in the troops to kill people.

    4. The US and the UK are both governed by mildly corrupt and grossly incompetent regimes. Russia and China are both unstable dictatorships with giant debt and other economic and social problems. Smaller EU counties such as Hungary, Italy and Greece are up to their little ears in debt and have terrible balance of trade deficits. Others like Venezuela and Turkey are collapsing in front of our eyes. The world is rapidly becoming extremely unstable and dangerous.

    5. The banks are out of control. Numerous books have been published with meticulous details of crimes committed by the world's largest banks Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Link 4 Link 5 Link 6 Those six are just for starters and only deal with the US banks. They list actual crimes and name the names of the criminals - about which not even an investigation was ever initiated. They and their European counterparts are now so powerful that they no longer bother to hide their crimes, safe in the knowledge that they can bring down any company, no matter how large, by withdrawing their credit and downgrading their stock. Banks are today more powerful than the dot-coms, the media, or any government.

    I am not going to tell anyone what to do or even what I think will happen. Governments and central banks are kicking the can down the road, whilst the house of cards that is the Western financial system and the stock markets continues to gain height. (Even old hedge-fund manager Jeff Grantham came out of hibernation to warn of the biggest crash in human history.)

    But here's what I have been doing for the past 20 years -

    1. Debt-free. Apart from some strategic company debt in Germany to ameliorate a 30% corporation tax, we are debt-free. No mortgages, no leases, no credit card carry-overs, nothing. I do not even allow the deeds to anything we own to be in the hands of solicitors.

    2. I have long since sold all shares in regular, publically listed companies. PE ratios and far too high and debt levels are even higher. The stock markets are over-leveraged and most shares are bought using margin accounts, i.e. with debt. When (if?) the balloon goes up, good stocks will have to be sold to cover bad positions, so I own nothing in the regular stock markets.

    3. Cash is falling in value, but I still need to hold some, so that when that balloon goes up, I have the option of being able to buy good stocks with good P&L accounts and are free of debt. Cash gives one 'optionality'.

    4. I do not hold my cash in UK banks as I do not trust them. I have good reason to not trust them: they tried to steal from me before and they'll do it again! I trust fund managers about two meters, as I am a big boy and that's about as far as I could throw any one of the larger ones. No pension funds, no ETFs, none of that "Give us your money!" industry. Indexed, not indexed - it makes no difference! These people do NOT know what they are doing and when the crash comes, their trousers will be around their ankles and in flames. They are not hedged against EVERY asset going down - because if there is a crash, all those margin calls will bring everything down - starting with share prices and commercial real estate.

    5. So let's talk about a REAL hedge against inflation and a market crash - gold, silver and farmland. The first two are the only real currencies going and you'll need farmland to survive. Also, if you buy UK gold coins from the Royal Mint, any increase in value is tax-free. And farmland is usually free of inheritance tax. Your grandchildren will thank you! And talking of gold and silver, I did buy shares in eight junior miners (gold and silver) and all in the US or Canada. If only one of those comes in with a substantial find, I'm ahead of the game!

    6. I have the basics to make our own food. Land, a tractor, plough, harrows, mower, rotavator, etc. and we have strategic relations with neighbours who are already producing pork, mutton, lamb and eggs.

    Things to bear in mind for the future -

    If the markets go down, they will stay down for quite some time, so any cash available can be used carefully and after research. It's a good idea to do that research now. Identify good companies with healthy P&L accounts and good IP that others do not have. For example, Franklin Electric (FELE). It owns dozens of patents in water management and in pump and motor designs and it is debt-free. Freshwater will be tomorrow's gold and only Franklin has the know-how to move it around in bulk and in smaller amounts. It has a 50% market share worldwide in submersible electric motors. Right now the price is too high, but when it goes down, it will be golden. Other similar companies are out there waiting for you!

    As my old sergeant major, Ron Vines used to say "Any fool can rough it. It requires intelligence to be comfortable." So learn to make food and drink. Learn how to brew beer, make wine, drive a tractor, plant and mill grain to make flour and therefore bread. Put a wood-burner you can cook on in the kitchen. Keep that larder and the woodshed stocked up. Plant apple trees.

    It takes two to three days of empty shops before the crowds start to throw rocks and set fire to policemen. Hungry people will go to any lengths to get food. Living in a town is not a good idea if there is civil unrest - though that sort of thing will probably start in the US.

    But this moronic government (aided and abetted by the media) will be stupid enough to whip up hysteria just as they did over Covid.

    Hate to burst your bubble....but having spent a few decades in the water industry, I ha venever heard of Franklin in the world or water pumps and movers.
     
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    The length, depth and severity of that recession is almost irrelevant to us normal folk. What is important that we go in with our eyes open and put certain measures in place to ride, or even beat it.
    There is no way to beat a Recession. Every one is a disaster. If a business goes to the wall that is a a minor problem to a whole industry.

    Recessions killed of many of the UK's industries. Toys? Cameras? Passenger aircraft? Scientific instruments of many kinds. They wont come back.
     
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    Well I mentioned the USA inflation figures being released on the 12th in post8#, they have officially come in at 7%, the highest increase since 1982, and most observers think this figure to be, shall we say, on the very optimistic side.

    Remember when the USA sneezes the rest of the world gets a bad cold.
     
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    Well I mentioned the USA inflation figures being released on the 12th in post8#, they have officially come in at 7%, the highest increase since 1982, and most observers think this figure to be, shall we say, on the very optimistic side.
    Remember when the USA sneezes the rest of the world gets a bad cold.
    Real inflation in the US is running at about 15.5%. That is if we define inflation as a change in the cost of maintaining a steady standard of living.

    Unfortunately, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) keeps moving the goalposts and redefining what does and does not constitute inflation and it does so to the point of absurdity. The ONS does the same, though the BLS reached new heights of lunacy when they took house prices out of the basket and replaced them with a strange animal called 'the rental equivalence factor', thereby making all comparisons with past years impossible and meaningless.

    Fortunately, economist John Williams has been tracking real inflation on his website Shadowstats and has been getting a great deal of attention lately as key industries have begun to realise that official figures are fairly meaningless.

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    Energy is worse than people think, the effects haven't been felt by most businesses yet.

    Uniper borrowing another $11B and this won't be enough


    OVO have some senior staff leaving in the last couple of weeks and just laid off about 3rd of their staff. They are the 3rd biggest domestic supplier in the UK.

    One option that the Government were considering to rescue suppliers was special loans from NatWest.

    The consensus is that NatWest doesn't have enough money to cover what they need.
     
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    My fear is that governments everywhere will try to bail out companies that have bet the wrong way and using debt (i.e. them-thar margin calls!) by printing more money in desperation to paper over the growing cracks - then inflation really will get going.
     
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