Freditorial - fancy a death spiral, anyone?

FreddyG

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In April 2024, the UK's Office for Budget Responsibility forecast the Government would borrow £87bn over the following 12 months. When that financial year ended in April 2025, the figure was £148bn, i.e. 70% more! Fretting over whether “fiscal headroom” in 2029/30 is £5bn or £10bn is utter nonsense when the government can’t even get within £60bn of its borrowing estimate within the current FY. Britain borrowed £148bn last year and £110bn or three-quarters of that increase in national debt went on interest payments on debt previously incurred.

To my eyes, that is looking more and more like a death spiral of debt! So I thought I would do a bit of common or garden number-crunching -

Even a forward projection of the UK’s interest payments as a percentage of GDP from 2025 to 2040 under four plausible (though very optimistic) assumptions shows just how bad things are getting.

I assumed -
National debt rises ~3% annually
Interest rates gradually rise from 4.5% to 6%
Real GDP grows slowly at 1.5% per year
There are no fiscal or economic shocks coming from outside the UK.

By 2035, interest payments will be 8% of GDP, the classic danger threshold for fiscal sustainability. From there on, debts must accelerate upward. And that is making some VERY optimistic assumptions!

So, how about doing an Argentina?

Javier Milei’s libertarian experiment in Argentina is still unfolding, but it bears watching because he has attempted to shrink the state and grow the economy simultaneously. What he’s done so far - Cut public spending hard (especially subsidies and state employment). Allowed prices to rise dramatically (short-term inflation spike). Deregulated many sectors. Achieved a fiscal surplus for the first time in 16 years. Now GDP in some quarters (esp. in the private export sector) has ticked upward despite the pain. Today, Argentinian GDP is growing at about 6% p.a., second only to India.

However - Unemployment and poverty have also risen. Argentina has dollarisation pressures as people start to use the US dollar and unique structural issues, caused by years of neglect and corruption. It remains to be seen if this is growth from a low base, or a true turnaround.

But Argentina has shown that constant borrowing can't be covered by growth alone. Sooner or later, interest payments will crowd out everything else. Inflation + Rate Normalisation = Debt Doom Loop.

Unlike in the QE era, governments now have to borrow at higher rates, so refinancing old debt costs more. It's much like taking a new credit card to pay the old one, but with worse terms.

So austerity and stimulus must be targeted, not ideological. Milei slashed entire departments. The UK just tinkers here and there, rarely addressing the structural drivers of debt: pensions, NHS, local authority bailouts, civil service overstaffing, wasteful bureaucracies, etc.

The UK has undergone a deadly mix of political dogma combined with fiddling at the edges of problems. The Tory government wanted to introduce Milton Friedman's concept of a negative tax and got Universal Credit instead (that wastes 40% of its budget on admin). The Labour government needed to raise taxes but could not, so it raised NI rates and killed job growth.

And nobody knows what to do about the UK's national religion - the NHS. The idea of just getting rid of that monstrosity and replacing it with social insurance, similar to every other normal European country, is just unthinkable! So any sensible ideas go into the "Can't do! Won't do!" pile.

This government, like every other UK government before it, remains terrified of real change. So it does what all those other governments did before it - fudging the inflation figures (which we all know the ONS is doing!) and hiding the true scale of modal, median and mean income collapse, whilst pretending that some magic 'headroom' exists. These are all just symptoms of systemic denial.

So what comes first, currency collapse, system collapse, or a government that wakes up and smells the coffee?
 

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Will it take a big crisis from outside the country to change things? That is the usual way that government wake up and smell the coffee. The oil crisis of the 1970's, made governments wake up and smell the coffee.
Can you see something as big as that coming along? Or maybe it will be just an old-fashioned collapse, like the Wall Street Crash of the 1929 with resulting Depression.
 
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FreddyG

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Will it take a big crisis from outside the country to change things? That is the usual way that government wake up and smell the coffee. The oil crisis of the 1970's, made governments wake up and smell the coffee.
Can you see something as big as that coming along? Or maybe it will be just an old-fashioned collapse, like the Wall Street Crash of the 1929 with resulting Depression.
As big or bigger. And if anything goes, it will probably be the US - they have government federal revenues of $5 trillion - but are spending $7 trillion - so $2 trillion is borrowed every year, year after year. If the US implodes, it may take the UK with it.

The 1930s crash and subsequent depression was triggered by the so-called Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, (officially the Tariff Act of 1930) was a US law that raised tariffs on imported goods. Now Trump is making the same stupid mistakes as Senator Smoot and Congressman Hawley.

Because of the uncertainty this new madness has created, US maize (aka corn) sales have fallen by 94% (according to a WSJ article), and containers of the stuff are sitting unwanted and rotting.
 
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I remember the days when Economic Analysis took up a fair amount of time on the News and on Newsnight.

People have far more important things to watch and discuss and make sense of these days like all the PC stuff.

The foundations are crumbling because there is too much focus on the nice to have's.

We all need to get back to basics.
 
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FreddyG

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Will it take a big crisis from outside the country to change things? That is the usual way that government wake up and smell the coffee. The oil crisis of the 1970's, made governments wake up and smell the coffee.
Can you see something as big as that coming along? Or maybe it will be just an old-fashioned collapse, like the Wall Street Crash of the 1929 with resulting Depression.
You can't F'ing miss it! Iran!

But to top it all, Trump is considering a military operation to extract almost 1,000lb of uranium from Iran, according to reports in various papers, including the WSJ and the FT.

US officials told the Wall Street Journal that Mr. Trump had not yet given the order as he was still weighing up the risk of such an operation. He has told his advisers to pressure Iran into surrendering its uranium as a condition for ending the war.

The uranium is said to be contained in large steel tanks buried deep underground, hundreds of miles from the Persian Gulf. A military operation to extract the uranium from the fortified tunnels in the mountainous terrain would involve a risky ground invasion.

The Financial Times reported that he could "take the oil in Iran and seize the country’s vital fuel hub of Kharg Island." He said: "To be honest with you, my favourite thing is to take the oil in Iran, but some stupid people back in the US say: ‘Why are you doing that?’ But they’re stupid people. Maybe we take Kharg Island, maybe we don’t. We have a lot of options."

Narcissistic hubris, it seems, knows no bounds.

When all else fails, they take you to war!
 
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