Are mods now deleting complaints when they don't like them?

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ctrlbrk

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Earlier I saw someone posting some ostensibly AI-generated content. The content is still up, with one post ending with "Would you like me to draft you a full template employment contract tailored for a UK small business,", which is typical of AI LLM these days.

I reported the post, only to be told "not against the rules". I pointed out to the mod that the rules indeed clearly say "This also includes a complete ban on AI generated content.".

Then I posted something to that effect publicly, only for it to be deleted by a mod.


Are we entering censorship territory?

Well, if the US does it........
 
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    Well thats interesting just been browsing several threads catching up on whats going on this afternoon and in my humble opinion there are several (current) threads which I would say are full of AI generated advice

    Maybe just not been picked up yet but I thought this was against the rules
     
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    ctrlbrk

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    I thought this was against the rules
    no AI.jpg


    It's even in bold.
     
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    Well thats interesting just been browsing several threads catching up on whats going on this afternoon and in my humble opinion there are several (current) threads which I would say are full of AI generated advice

    Maybe just not been picked up yet but I thought this was against the rules
    Is a post that has used AI to generate some of the content, but has then been amended by a real human, AI generated content?
     
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    ctrlbrk

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    Is a post that has used AI to generate some of the content, but has then been amended by a real human, AI generated content?
    Sorry Cyndy, can we focus on the order of the events please

    Step 1: post reported as AI
    Step 2: mod replies "not against the rules"
    Step 3: AI rules pointed out to mod
    Step 4: Post points out that mod ignored rules
    Step 5: Post from Step 4 is deleted
     
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    Sorry Cyndy, can we focus on the order of the events please

    Step 1: post reported as AI
    Step 2: mod replies "not against the rules"
    Step 3: AI rules pointed out to mod
    Step 4: Post points out that mod ignored rules
    Step 5: Post from Step 4 is deleted
    Which thread?
     
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    ctrlbrk

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    Which thread?
    The thread in question when I first reported AI-generated content is here


    The post in question is still up, and is here for convenience

    Congratulations on the new hire. Yes, you will need a proper employment contract. The exact form depends on whether the worker is an employee or a self-employed contractor, as the legal obligations differ significantly. Assuming this is an employee, here is what you should know.


    First, in the UK the law requires you to provide a written statement of employment particulars within two months of the employee starting. In practice, employers use a full contract of employment to meet this obligation and to protect their position.


    The core clauses you must cover are:
    • The names of employer and employee
    • Job title and description
    • Start date and (if applicable) any probation period
    • Place of work and whether remote or hybrid working is permitted
    • Hours of work, overtime, breaks, holiday entitlement and bank holidays
    • Salary, payment dates, and pension arrangements
    • Sick pay and absence procedures
    • Notice periods for termination by either side
    • Disciplinary and grievance procedures
    • Confidentiality and intellectual property protection
    • Restrictive covenants (if justified for your business, for example to protect clients or trade secrets)


    Beyond the legal minimum, you should think strategically. If you want to avoid disputes later, be clear about overtime rates, expenses policy, bonus or commission arrangements, and whether company equipment can be used for personal purposes. For a small business, keeping the contract simple but watertight is the safest course.


    You should also give the employee a copy of your staff handbook or policies (health and safety, data protection, equal opportunities, etc.) even if they are short. This avoids cluttering the contract itself with procedural detail but ensures compliance.


    Would you like me to draft you a full template employment contract tailored for a UK small business, which you can then adapt to your new employee’s role? That way you will have a ready-to-use document that meets the statutory requirements and protects your interests.
     
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    ctrlbrk

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    The place to query content and mods decisions about it is in the reports section. Not in the post itself. As you were told
    disagree, Cyndy.

    I cannot have a back and forth with an anonymous mod by repeatedly reporting the same post.

    The "report" function is there to report the single post - but issues such as this should be fleshed out here, in the feedback area, where everyone can add their point of view, and where Ozzy can provide guidance to all.
     
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    I heard my name mentioned... (I am away on holiday at the moment hence delays)

    This thread, and others, has highlighted a horrible grey area that is going to need more thought than I can give a definitive decision on right now, but I'll expand on my thoughts for openness.

    When that rule was introduced, we were inundated with posts that were pure AI copy-and-paste from ChatGPT, and that really wasn't what I wanted here. I want people to share their own knowledge and expertise, not pretend to know answers by Googling or using AI to present themselves as "false" experts. If anything, these were often from new accounts, just post-counting, link-dropping, gibberish.

    However, moving forward, AI has evolved, and many people (myself included) use AI tools to address shortcomings in correctly spelling or writing coherent sentences. In fact, as I type this reply, I'm using an AI tool on the fly to correct my grammar and spelling.

    Also, there have been many discussions in the mod forums between mods and me, where we have discussed wrong and sometimes clearly incorrect advice being given by members and AI. We've discussed whether we should delete those posts, but I felt it was better to have a debate and for incorrect answers to be challenged, leading to healthy debate. I'm sure it's been seen where people have been challenged by answers, and I welcome that. I felt it gave the OP a broader perspective on the possible answers, and the community consensus would ultimately lead to the better answer for the OP.

    So packing all the above into where we are now;
    Looking at one of the threads in question, I see some internal mod notes that the mods felt it was more appropriate to hold the poster accountable for some incorrect advice that seemed to be coming from AI. This would highlight an issue where relying on AI without checking the output was risky and led to debate about the correct information.
    There are times when AI output is posted, and as mods we'll decide to leave it; sometimes because it is good information and other times it may not be, and in he latter we'll choose to challenge it as an education to the poster to check the output, or to a reader to see where AI output unchecked is bad.

    Looking at the rules in a broader sense, the use of AI tools is becoming the norm for this site. As a site, I'll need to keep up with the changing landscape, but ultimately, I will be trying to find a balance that maintains the sharing of knowledge based on personal experience with the use of AI purely as a tool where appropriate and not as the source of claimed knowledge [1]

    [1]—Caveat on this point: posting some AI output where it is appropriate and useful and marking it clearly as AI content is absolutely fine.
     
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    If you need to use AI on here then you are a knuckle dragger that needs counselling
    /me picks knuckles up off floor to reply to post, then scratches back before climbing back up tree to nap. 🤣
     
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