Britain a failing nation ?

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Doesn't that depend on the media?

They also report the biggest problems in society :)

No they don't. They find problems and blow them out of all proportion. if something is 98% OK, they pick on the 2% that isin't and imply that its the other way round.
 
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It shouldn't be. I have little money, but I feel rich in love, friends, and with the relationships I have with people.

I live a basic lifestyle (intentionally) - buy what I need, not spend on excess, and be as generous as I can.

People are just far too obsessed with money these days. Far too obsessed.

Yep, I agree wholeheartedly with that.

People are essentially greedy, obsessed with material possessions more than ever before and everything is ridiculously overpriced and overvalued.

Too many people spend their entire life in pursuit of money. As a result people only think short term and we end up with an economy that just booms and busts time and again.

Look at the housing market, particularly in southern England. House prices are obscene. There was a time when a house was something people bought to live in. Now they are a commodity. All these property developers, both professional and amateur, are buying up all the affordable housing to make a quick buck and first time buyers are being squeezed out of the market.

No one owns anything. Everything is paid for with credit and people overburden themselves because they've got to have a brand new car, the latest PC or I Pad, the best mobile phone, an enormous flat screen TV etc etc etc. Suddenly, they find they've overdone it or they lose their job and then they are in deep trouble.

We are just obsessed with money and material possessions like never before.
 
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Yep, I agree wholeheartedly with that.

People are essentially greedy, obsessed with material possessions more than ever before and everything is ridiculously overpriced and overvalued.

Too many people spend their entire life in pursuit of money. As a result people only think short term and we end up with an economy that just booms and busts time and again.

Look at the housing market, particularly in southern England. House prices are obscene. There was a time when a house was something people bought to live in. Now they are a commodity. All these property developers, both professional and amateur, are buying up all the affordable housing to make a quick buck and first time buyers are being squeezed out of the market.

No one owns anything. Everything is paid for with credit and people overburden themselves because they've got to have a brand new car, the latest PC or I Pad, the best mobile phone, an enormous flat screen TV etc etc etc. Suddenly, they find they've overdone it or they lose their job and then they are in deep trouble.

We are just obsessed with money and material possessions like never before.

Its true and factual.......but like it or not, its what makes the world go round, we all benefit from it.

If the world stood still we would all still be in the dark ages.
 
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No they don't. They find problems and blow them out of all proportion. if something is 98% OK, they pick on the 2% that isin't and imply that its the other way round.

That may be true of tabloids, hello magazine etc, but why not ignore those and concentrate instead on BBC world service and say Radio 4 if you want the actual in-depth news behind the glossy headlines?

It all depends on what you're taken in by. I don't watch TV for example ;)
 
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That may be true of tabloids, hello magazine etc, but why not ignore those and concentrate instead on BBC world service and say Radio 4 if you want the actual in-depth news behind the glossy headlines?

It all depends on what you're taken in by. I don't watch TV for example ;)

I agree, but unfortunately the vast majority of people do read the tripe gutter press and believe it and here lays the problem !
 
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But where do we source totally unbiased news from?

You can't.

The point is you need to realise its biased and not take it as gospel. Best bet is to read different view points and make your own judgement and not just rely on the thoughts and opinions of one set of journalists.
 
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You can't.

The point is you need to realise its biased and not take it as gospel. Best bet is to read different view points and make your own judgement and not just rely on the thoughts and opinions of one set of journalists.

Yep, well said. There is no 'unbiased' reporting, or very little.

Mass media concentrates on sensationalism, or at least it does in the last few years, it seems all we want to know about is what mini-celeb is sleeping with who and who is having so-and-so's baby.

Its very sad really.
 
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There is a theory that it suits the Government of the day to keep us all miserable and depressed as it makes mass manipulation and control very easy for them.

Im not sure thats a theory, i have heard of that for many years - keep people worried and you are in control, let them think of other things and chaos reigns supreme.
 
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The housing situation is a major issue.

If I was in charge, I'd rule that private landlords can only charge up to a certain amount (that amount would need to be debated - but something like max £70 per week). I would also abolish the right to buy completely! I'd allocate more funding for social housing. I'd even like to see a day where people don't own houses like our European counterparts.

I'm of the opinion that no one should be able to profit from basic requirements like housing, energy and the likes.

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The housing situation is a major issue.

If I was in charge, I'd rule that private landlords can only charge up to a certain amount (that amount would need to be debated - but something like max £70 per week). I would also abolish the right to buy completely! I'd allocate more funding for social housing. I'd even like to see a day where people don't own houses like our European counterparts.

I'm of the opinion that no one should be able to profit from basic requirements like housing, energy and the likes.

ScotInvest

I would simply take the land back from all the parasites that inherited it for the murderess deeds done by there ancestors.

Outrageous that most of the country is held to ransom by a few layabouts.

That alone would go a long way to relieving the financial pressure on the majority of UK citizens.

As a nation we must be stupid to put up with the situation.IMHO
 
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Obviously looking at the UK from a Scottish standpoint, I can't wait until Scotland gets independence (as I previously said in another thread) or at the very least all powers back to Edinburgh. I'd love to see a day where Scotland is as rich as Norway. Such a fantastic little country, but very rich indeed!

The UK has been broken for centuries. It's time people in England & Wales had a leader who cares about ones country and fights for it like up here.

How do we fix the 'UK', break it up for a start :)

Oh my, getting too political for my liking :)

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Sadly it appears from opinion polls that 30% of Scottish share this view. Once the details are worked through the reality may start to sink in and hopefully the UK will remain as one. IMO the main one who benefits from Scottish independence is Mr Salmond in his egotistical persuit of power.

That's politics for you, all too often the politicians do not do what is best for the electorate.
 
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Finally someone agrees with me. When I was looking at houses in 2003 I kept saying "but it's not actually worth that is it?" The esate agent looked at me blank. I said "you are selling it for £180,000 but materials and land it's worth about £70,000" Again the blank look. That £180,000 house is now trying to sell for £140,000 and falling.

It's simply a system....to keep you a slave to your bank for 30+ years..

When I did a survey on here most people paid 50% of there income for housing.

Ridiculous when you consider the average house costs 60k to builds.

People spending 25 years to pay for such a simple structure as a house.
 
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Finally someone agrees with me. When I was looking at houses in 2003 I kept saying "but it's not actually worth that is it?" The esate agent looked at me blank. I said "you are selling it for £180,000 but materials and land it's worth about £70,000" Again the blank look. That £180,000 house is now trying to sell for £140,000 and falling.

It's simply a system....to keep you a slave to your bank for 30+ years..

Oddly enough, that's what I have been saying for many years!

I'm glad people are starting to wake up!

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I see no hope for the UK ,unless something radical is done.

As the devide between rich and poor gets even wider ,with a tiny minority having control over the majority.

I can well see society breaking down even more than it has already.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19979017

You know it's this kind of negative attitude that may very well cause Britain to fail!

We small business owners have the power to change this through creating a more positive attitude.

"Think it won't and it probably won't; think it will and it probably will"
 
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You know it's this kind of negative attitude that may very well cause Britain to fail!

We small business owners have the power to change this through creating a more positive attitude.

"Think it won't and it probably won't; think it will and it probably will"

Oh the power of positive thought.;)

It will take something a bit more than small business owners to change things in the UK.

You may have noticed governments take no notice of SB.?

It will take a concerted effort by the majority to make real changes.

Not likely in such a subservient country.IMHO
 
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Geeps it's Tony Robbins!

"think it's better" and it wil lhappen! LOL

Oh, c'mon. That's just silly. If you listen to Tony Robbins himself actually talk about building business, he mentions the idea of "economic winter"—the same sorts of downturns the UK's having right now.

However, it's important to see things not only as they are, but how they could potentially be. It's hard to build an effective small business without knowing what direction you want to go, innit?

But that's more than just positive thought. You have to know what you want to do to maximize sales, marketing, innovation, reducing overhead, etc.
 
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It's simply a system....to keep you a slave to your bank for 30+ years..

Indeed, a couple, of what used to be termed yuppies, moved into the house next door in 1991. He played golf on weekends, she went horse riding.

£90k they paid for it.......we'd paid £32k for ours just four years prior.

And ours was in much better condition.

They were both successful and very loved up with each other......they sold in 1995 for £82k.

They lost £8k plus they made four years worth of mortgage payments that must have totalled £25k back then.

And yet they were moving to "better things" God bless 'em, our neighbourhood wasn't good enough for them.

Funnily enough, they divorced very acrimoniously in 1997, he'd apparently taken fancy to a minimum wage sort at their "exclusive" gym.

My wife and I did laugh........
 
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Money doesn't buy self esteem, it papers over the cracks if someone has self esteem issues.

Nothing more, with regards to their image of self worth.

However there's no reason to apportion blame or scorn to people who have been financially successful either, because that's just envy and jealousy which isn't any more attractive.

There isn't one person here on this board who's working who would turn down an extra £150k per annum coming into their bank if it required minimal effort.

The difference is that some people are willing to double their efforts to get that £150k per annum extra. I struggle to see how they can be pilloried for doing so. After all it's their choice.

With regards to smacking kids. Sometimes it's necessary as a last resort to seriously drum home a point. It should be a last resort when all else has failed and should be done cold, without losing tempers or control. It should also be done extremely rarely otherwise it loses its effectiveness.

My dad hit me twice throughout my childhood. He was right to do so. I've never forgotten either incident because of the shame I felt that I had pushed a gentle man to such extremes.
 
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There must be some value in buying a house. We pay 15k a year in rent! That is thrown away in terms of what it earns us.

Rent is going up, so I would spend 150k plus in 10 years and have nothing to show for it. I would probably pay less in a mortgage and have equity after 10 years in the house! A house may not be worth the value it is being sold at, but if the system stays in place wouldn't I be better off spending my rent on a house?

Take away the value of the house going down! Is throwing away 15k a year plus for certain any better than buying something that is over valued and will, chances are, hold some value later in life and with buying it will stop you needing to pay rent forever and ever amen?

Please note I don't have a mortage but think in a way it's short sighted to not get one! In a way it's better to take the chance on finding a place that may lose money, rather than ensuring you will pay huge amounts of money in rent every year, over and above mortgage costs, until you die as you will never have paid off your house? Even on a pension having to pay rent doesn't appeal to me so I think maybe a mortgage will be happening (a recent thought).

I think it's a valid point that needs considering as nobody seems to be backing the mortgagers and they nee a voice haha!
 
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Just because house prices have not risen or conversely have fallen in recent years is not a reason not to buy. I'd rather spend money improving my own home rather than someone else's and over the long term the value will increase.

Many people pay off their mortgages over time and can live without the cost of monthly payments and the comfort and peace of mind of not having to find a monthly sum as well as the fact of having equity that they can release at anytime.
 
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Finally someone agrees with me. When I was looking at houses in 2003 I kept saying "but it's not actually worth that is it?" The esate agent looked at me blank. I said "you are selling it for £180,000 but materials and land it's worth about £70,000" Again the blank look. That £180,000 house is now trying to sell for £140,000 and falling.

It's simply a system....to keep you a slave to your bank for 30+ years..

It's a lot of money to spend on living somewhere. But you say this as though when renting you magically pay less than a mortgage would be which is simply not the case.

I don't agree with the system where it's overpriced, but living within this system what could be change to resolve it? Prices reflect demand yet I know new builds where a large percentage is given over to social housing.

This to me makes me think that new builds aren't reaching their intended markets enough.
 
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I see no hope for the UK ,unless something radical is done.

I think a good start would be to address the collective amnesia that exists where debt is concerned. We're in a mess because of the banks, the rich, the government, the tories, the lib dems etc etc ad nauseum.... apparently the problem is not 'our' fault.

This has resulted in cries for more borrowing and taxing of 'the rich' to get things moving again, something I worry about unless it's accompanied by a massive effort by everyone else. The often referred to (in this forum) raging sense of entitlement needs to be tempered with some living within our means IMHO.

I'm convinced Britain will come out of the current mess in the next 10 years or so and maybe we'll be better for it.

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