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Tommo
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Bo£%"£$s, now I have to go to HMV to buy my Justin B CDs 
Seriously though, blocking TPB wont do a shred of good, it's a scary day really.
This kind of censorship is going to push more people onto the Darknet, TOR ect which I think is worse then downloading a few MP3s
Seriously though, blocking TPB wont do a shred of good, it's a scary day really.
This kind of censorship is going to push more people onto the Darknet, TOR ect which I think is worse then downloading a few MP3s
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MancunianCreative
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No 'good' Artist has ever starved because of piracy. The music industry greed and shows like the x-factor do more harm than piracy.
Artists should make their living doing live performances, albums and singles should be seen as a tool to market themselves. Not the WAY they make money.
I can't make one website then live of royalties people pay to view it. It's a flawed method for earning that needs revisiting.
Artists should make their living doing live performances, albums and singles should be seen as a tool to market themselves. Not the WAY they make money.
I can't make one website then live of royalties people pay to view it. It's a flawed method for earning that needs revisiting.
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Unfortunately, its far from a waste of time. Every time one of these little acts of censorship happens the nearer we get to the public accepting it as the 'norm'.
Of course most people savvy enough to use Pirate Bay in the first place will easily be savvy enough to bypass it.
Its this whole thing of pressurizing people in the middle again like ISP's etc.
At the end of the day the people breaking the law are the ones doing the downloading. We wouldn't dream of pressurizing say Subaru because a high number of their cars were being used for getaways in armed robberies.
Of course most people savvy enough to use Pirate Bay in the first place will easily be savvy enough to bypass it.
Its this whole thing of pressurizing people in the middle again like ISP's etc.
At the end of the day the people breaking the law are the ones doing the downloading. We wouldn't dream of pressurizing say Subaru because a high number of their cars were being used for getaways in armed robberies.
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Whilst I see your point, and I am completely with you in that it's a stupid solution to fix the "problem", that analogy isn't as good as it could be.
People would be using Subaru vehicles as a form of getaway for the crime, so it's not the direct contributor to the crime happening. You'd be better with an analogy of a drug dealer selling cocaine. They're the direct contributor to why the user ends up with drugs in their pockets.
In those instances, yes, it's the dealer that is the root of the problem and needs to be stopped.
However, the music and movie industry need a very hard kick up the backside. If you look at how abused the music artists in the industry are, you'd see that piracy is just the tip of the iceberg to what has to change.
In addition, people don't want CDs any more, they want to get their songs in a medium that they choose. The music industry just make this unnecessarily difficult for those people who genuinely want to pay, and are forced to piracy.
Then you've got the people who want to just try software, or are specifically looking for old versions that are no longer on the market (who, in normal circumstances would be forced to pay for the latest "best" (hah) version of the software). These are people who yet again have no choice but to turn to piracy to either test the software before purchase or want the version that they're either used to using or that is compatible with older systems (or whatever reason).
Then you have the really bad people who are downloading these software applications for personal use. Downloading the audio tracks for personal use too. Those people would never pay for the latest version of Windows or the latest Photoshop, so they are forced to turn to piracy. And for these people who would never pay/can't pay for the software, who use it for personal use, aren't going to then go and pay for it once The Pirate Bay is taken down (even if there are no more torrent sites on the Internet at all). They simply wont pay.
So what's actually going to happen? Will people be turned over to paying for the media they're pirating? No, of course not. The biggest party are those that download for personal consumption who are simply not going to pay in the first place.
Users that want old versions or versions compatible with their older systems will turn to open source free alternatives, and the same goes for those who want to test - they'll start looking at the free open source options and find that they actually quite like those solutions.
The Internet is going through one of the biggest changes ever in the UK now that this court judgement has been approved. That really scares me.
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serverhouse
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Piracy is wrong.
It takes 2 hours to set-up a website and 2 months to get a court order which hinders access to it.
Capitalism is pushing the legislation through which is risking our freedom of information and not offering any true protection for anyone.
The media industry is flawed and needs to accept change before its antics push its customers away from it.
It takes 2 hours to set-up a website and 2 months to get a court order which hinders access to it.
Capitalism is pushing the legislation through which is risking our freedom of information and not offering any true protection for anyone.
The media industry is flawed and needs to accept change before its antics push its customers away from it.
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My opinion is that any kind of censorship like this is a huge step in the wrong direction. I don't want to be using an internet in 30 years were things have to be vetted by some government department before they are approved.... a long way of, but this kind of censorship is a step in the direction of letting the government take ownership of something which they have no right to.
Yes, piracy is wrong.... but so is speeding.....they don't close roads because a few people speed on it, they put speed cameras on there.
The people who are being offended against (eg the music publishing companies) should be the ones dealing with this by taking offenders to court...and enough legislation has already been passed to enable them to do this.
Yes, piracy is wrong.... but so is speeding.....they don't close roads because a few people speed on it, they put speed cameras on there.
The people who are being offended against (eg the music publishing companies) should be the ones dealing with this by taking offenders to court...and enough legislation has already been passed to enable them to do this.
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I think your confusing people who disagree with censorship with those who condone or take part in piracy. They are two very different things.
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bdw
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Before I say any more I am not a copyright evangelist. I will admit that over the years I have listened to pirated music, watched pirated videos and read other people's books. These things happen but because they happen does not make them right. I now have a much greater understanding of the importance of preserving copyright and I am much more aware of it since I started creating stuff myself.
Censorship is denying access to information. This is not what is happening here. If you want this information you can go out and buy it. No one is stopping you.
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They would put mechanisms in place to stop speeding if they could but you're right, the reality is that they can't. They can only put legislation in place to try to prevent it. That's what they are doing here, in other words trying to stop blatant lawbreaking and copyright infringement. That is a different thing from censorship.
Censorship is denying access to information. This is not what is happening here. If you want this information you can go out and buy it. No one is stopping you.
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bdw
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I just did a quick poll in here of people who are against this. Correct me if I am wrong but there appears to be about ten folk in here making just such a case. Most of them talk of censorship but as I have already said, this has nothing whatsoever to do with censorship. Let's refrain from using hyperbolic rhetoric.
The information that is being downloaded from the Pirate Bay is available elsewhere. No one is censoring it.
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Most of them talk of censorship but as I have already said, this has nothing whatsoever to do with censorship. Let's refrain from using hyperbolic rhetoric.
The information that is being downloaded from the Pirate Bay is available elsewhere. No one is censoring it.
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This has everything to do with censorship. Just because content is available from another source doesn't make it less about censorship. We are being forcefully prevented access to a website as a country. That's censorship.
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andypowell
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So its not censorship if some people can afford to buy it? wow what a scary world you live in
So those that say the pirate bay should be blocked because it links to pirate material, does the same apply to google?
I could also link UKBF to a torrent, does that mean UKBF should be blocked?
Blocking sites is not a solution, its simply a response to the big money pressure of the media companies, if blocking was a solution why has it never been used against any other kind of illegal material.
I dont think anyone is condoning piracy, the problem is where the governments ability to block sites from the general public will lead.
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I see what your saying.....but its not a book.....and its not a password protected page....its a page/site on the internet which is being censored by higher powers......and the problem people have with is that before you know it the internet wont be the internet any more.
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andypowell
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I'm with you on this, its the slippery slow argument
Today they block pirated material, tomorrow child porn, the day after hate speech and everybody is so happy so by the time a site reporting an illegal invasion of another country disappears off the internet its no longer news
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