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    I've been playing with this recently, seems to be working very well for what I need. There are other commercial things doing exactly the same, but figured it would be better to create my own php script to do it.

    http://financialdivide.com/test4.php

    If anyone wants to have a play with it, feel free. You can randomise the paragraphs, and also if you like the sentences within the paragraphs. The other tick box will let you manually enter article names, or leave it as it is and it will just number them.

    The output is an html page, you can save it from there. You need to enter the content in this format:

    There are [all/lots of/many/a variety of] [kinds/types/categories/sorts] of foods that [help/assist/benefit/boost/sustain] [our bodies/us/humans/people] in [various/many/several/a lot of/multiple] ways. Meats and [other/various other/many other/other types of] animal [products/produce/by products] (along with [beans/fruits/vegetables/pulses/spices] and some [grains/wheat/seeds/corns]) [provide/assist/help/enrich] us with the [protein/fuel/nutrients/energy] we [need/require/depend on] to [repair/mend/fix/recover] and [build/construct] [muscle/tendons/our bodies/ligaments]. Fruits and vegetable [give us/provide us/contribute/contribute] the [vitamins/supplements/additives] and fiber [necessary/essential/vital/required] to [fight off/combat/deal with/keep us safe from] [infection/disease/problems/illness] and [regulate/control/assist/help] our [digestive systems/stomachs]. And [carbohydrates/carbs] [give us/provide us/assist us with] the [fuel/energy/nutrients] [required/needed/vital for us] to [stay/be/ensure we are/keep us] [alert/active/productive] and [energetic/potent/tireless] [throughout the/all/through the/every] [day/week].

    I wrote an article about holidays this morning like that, took me a few hours. But once that was done, I can spin unlimited copies which pass copyscape. Short test of the output here.

    How does everyone else deal with lower end content for link building? I've been using textbroker.com quite a lot, but honestly can see me doing and more of the lower end stuff only using this. Significantly cheaper to do this than buy each article. I wouldn't use this for client stuff, unless they asked me to, but for our own stuff its definitely working like a charm.
     
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    Only using synonyms for spinning will result in you being caught out.

    You need to vary the ordering and syntax of sentences also AND vary the order of paragraphs.

    I wrote a bunch of these a while ago 4-6 hours for a decent 800 word article. Wasn't effective for me in terms of time spent and ROI.
     
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    The checkbox is there to vary the paragraph order already, so thats not a problem.

    If you check the one to vary the sentences, it'll switch them order around within each paragraph, but won't move sentences to other paragraphs. But its really hard to write legible content where it wouldn't matter which order the sentences went in...

    I guess the ROI comes down to how many articles you need as the production time is exactly the same whether you want 5 or 5000. We'll be spinning them in batches of 100-300, so at textbroker we'd be spending roughly $400-$1200 - easily worth having a writer spend a few hours on to save that.

    Why do you think only changing synonyms will result in it being caught out? Its panning Copyscape, which is Google Api powered.
     
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    JohnnyCash said:
    Cool, someone who completely fails to understand the topic... anyone else?
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    I totally understand the topic. Essentially what you want is more content with less effort. What humans and Google want is real content that makes sense and is interesting and unique

    What you are failing to understand is that humans really get turned off with poor content, so while oyu might be able to spin a web and drive traffic somewhere, there is no point if your target market leaves straight away

    I am not making the assumption that the resultant boost is linear, nether the less, the only point that a business needs to comprehend is "will this increase my turnover" and turnover comes from humans. If the first page of a google search is full of dribble, its easy, I start at page 6 and find the interesting stuff, or refine my search
     
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    You are missing the point completely.

    An over simplified version of it would be:

    Build one high quality page targeted at humans, host this on my own domain.

    Spin 1000 garbage articles on the same topic, host them anywhere that will take them. This could be article directories, junk blogs, etc. Doesn't really matter as the only time they'll really be looked at is by search spiders. Each of these articles links back to the money site.


    The money site will rank in Google because of the spun content, but the people I am signing up/getting to click ads/sending to affiliate links are never going to see the garbage content, realise thats why I'm ranking in the first place, or even know the junk exists...

    Maybe you do start your searches from page 6... but you're a statistical anomaly and you don't matter. 95%+ never even visit page 2. 40%+ just automatically click whatever ranks first in the natural results.
     
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    Right...

    So I do a search, and either get your page, or one of your 1000 spun articles. If the page is crap, I click away. In most instances, 1000 spun articles wont beat your competitors. And also - why fill the internet with 1000 pages of crap, just so you cna have an advantage. it is wasteful - waste of time, resources and disrespectful to the internet community

    I only go to page 6, when the first couple of pages are full of crap
     
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    JohnnyCash said:
    You are missing the point completely.

    An over simplified version of it would be:

    Build one high quality page targeted at humans, host this on my own domain.

    Spin 1000 garbage articles on the same topic, host them anywhere that will take them. This could be article directories, junk blogs, etc. Doesn't really matter as the only time they'll really be looked at is by search spiders. Each of these articles links back to the money site.


    The money site will rank in Google because of the spun content, but the people I am signing up/getting to click ads/sending to affiliate links are never going to see the garbage content, realise thats why I'm ranking in the first place, or even know the junk exists...

    Maybe you do start your searches from page 6... but you're a statistical anomaly and you don't matter. 95%+ never even visit page 2. 40%+ just automatically click whatever ranks first in the natural results.
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    I understood that to be your intention from the opening post. Article spinning does have some value but it basically comes down to time and budget. Chopping and spinning articles is time consuming and not as rewarding as chasing relevant links or even buying links from good sites.

    You would probably do better to have many articles and place them all on your own domain.
     
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    MASSEY said:
    I understood that to be your intention from the opening post. Article spinning does have some value but it basically comes down to time and budget. Chopping and spinning articles is time consuming and not as rewarding as chasing relevant links or even buying links from good sites.

    You would probably do better to have many articles and place them all on your own domain.
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    I understood the intention, I just see it as the internet equivelent of grafiti
     
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    MASSEY said:
    I understood that to be your intention from the opening post. Article spinning does have some value but it basically comes down to time and budget. Chopping and spinning articles is time consuming and not as rewarding as chasing relevant links or even buying links from good sites.

    You would probably do better to have many articles and place them all on your own domain.
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    It is good to have a lot of content on your own site, you can hover up all the crazy keywords people type into Google. But the articles with links are mostly relevant, have your keywords or similar in their URL and Page Title which if linking to your pages targeting long tail keywords will improve your rankings.

    And spinning doesn't take long, it's basically 3-4 clicks and them some copy and pasting.
     
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    RadiusBPO said:
    It is good to have a lot of content on your own site, you can hover up all the crazy keywords people type into Google. But the articles with links are mostly relevant, have your keywords or similar in their URL and Page Title which if linking to your pages targeting long tail keywords will improve your rankings.

    And spinning doesn't take long, it's basically 3-4 clicks and them some copy and pasting.
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    Do you pay to spin or do you do it all for free?
     
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    Nah spun articles are never produced for direct revenue or traffic, they are simply for the search engines to spider and so that they dont flag up duplicate content. They would have little or no relevance on your own domain.

    The spun articles will never rank for anything significant and wont generate much traffic, but they are never intended for traffic.

    Write one article and circulate it around the tinternet and you effectively have 1 backlink. Spin it a few times and circulate then you have a link per spun article.

    The effectiveness of these links is another point but johnnyC seems very succesful at what he does.
     
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    I have a similar script... works a treat for hosted blog posts and the likes.. I wouldn't suggest it for web page content but I made a Ezine translator too so enter X Ezine Article URLs and it translates them into unique content... good for stuff your not too bothered about totally unique too
     
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    RadiusBPO said:
    Johnny I can't get your tool to work. Keeps redirecting to -

    http://searchengineoptimisation.org/%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cb%3ENotice%3C/b%3E:%20%20Undefined%20variable:%20PHP_SELF%20in%20%3Cb%3E/home/searchen/public_html/content-spinner.php%3C/b%3E%20on%20line%20%3Cb%3E294%3C/b%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E
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    Sorry, I realised that one wasn't working and edited the post, but made a mess of editing it. The url you can see in my post isn't the one it takes you to when you click it...

    The link should be http://financialdivide.com/test4.php, which does work. I'll re-edit the post. Need to run for a bit now, but will reply everyone else when I get back.

    edit - there must be a time limt on editing posts, as I can't edit the original again. Anyone wanting to try it needs to use the financialdivide.com url
     
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    If people think articles will propel their rankings, it wont. Articles are the wrong information to be offering, I would have thought its obvious, seeing as there's a million articles out there that did this years ago.....

    If this 'tool' is available en-mass, (and I'd put money that it is!) then it will stand out a mile and Google will pick it up and devalue it straight away.

    How can people be so silly.
     
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    eventdomain said:
    If people think articles will propel their rankings, it wont. Articles are the wrong information to be offering, I would have thought its obvious, seeing as there's a million articles out there that did this years ago.....

    If this 'tool' is available en-mass, (and I'd put money that it is!) then it will stand out a mile and Google will pick it up and devalue it straight away.

    How can people be so silly.
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    How can anyone take you seriously when you make videos like this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6D1xwGzvZE
     
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    eventdomain said:
    If people think articles will propel their rankings, it wont. Articles are the wrong information to be offering, I would have thought its obvious, seeing as there's a million articles out there that did this years ago.....

    If this 'tool' is available en-mass, (and I'd put money that it is!) then it will stand out a mile and Google will pick it up and devalue it straight away.

    How can people be so silly.
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    You've obviously never tried this technique. It work's a dream.
     
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    Place of design said:
    Right...

    So I do a search, and either get your page, or one of your 1000 spun articles. If the page is crap, I click away.
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    The spun content won't be on my site. It'll be on 3rd party sites. If you do manage to land on a spun article and click away, I don't care because I've not lost anything - you wouldn't have landed on my site anyway.

    Place of design said:
    In most instances, 1000 spun articles wont beat your competitors.
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    In most instances, 1000 spun articles WILL beat your competitors, if you place them in suitable places with links back to your main site on them.

    Place of design said:
    And also - why fill the internet with 1000 pages of crap, just so you cna have an advantage.
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    You just answered your own question.

    Place of design said:
    it is wasteful - waste of time, resources and disrespectful to the internet community
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    Its neither a waste of time or resources, because the return on my investment in both is high - its worth doing. To say its "disrespectful" is a bit of an over reaction! Its hardly up there with burning Korans is it?

    MASSEY said:
    I understood that to be your intention from the opening post. Article spinning does have some value but it basically comes down to time and budget. Chopping and spinning articles is time consuming and not as rewarding as chasing relevant links or even buying links from good sites.
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    Time and budget is the whole point of doing it in the first place - its faster and cheaper to spin 1000 articles for link building, than it is to pay someone to create them the old fashioned away. I don't agree that its not as rewarding as other link building methods, as they all go hand in hand - if I pay someone to host a page of content, then I'm going to need to give them the content, so I just pull one from the spun content pile.

    MASSEY said:
    You would probably do better to have many articles and place them all on your own domain.
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    I would far rather have 100 spun articles on 3rd party sites, linking back to me, than the 100 articles on my own site. Although they're textually unique, they all say exactly the same thing. There would be very little reason to have them all on your own site, and you'd have very little excuse for it if someone realised you'd done it.


    Place of design said:
    I understood the intention, I just see it as the internet equivelent of grafiti
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    If someone spams and nobody is there to see it, is it really spam?

    Nobody is going to see all this junk anyway, the effect it has on anyone else is negligible.

    RadiusBPO said:
    And spinning doesn't take long, it's basically 3-4 clicks and them some copy and pasting.
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    To spin content properly, its not a few clicks. It'll take 2-3 hours to properly spin a very short article, because you need to set out all the appropriate word replacements. Relying on software to do it will just leave it looking a total mess.

    eog said:
    Nah spun articles are never produced for direct revenue or traffic, they are simply for the search engines to spider and so that they dont flag up duplicate content. They would have little or no relevance on your own domain.

    The spun articles will never rank for anything significant and wont generate much traffic, but they are never intended for traffic.

    Write one article and circulate it around the tinternet and you effectively have 1 backlink. Spin it a few times and circulate then you have a link per spun article.

    The effectiveness of these links is another point but johnnyC seems very succesful at what he does.
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    This is exactly it, this is why people should be using this technique.

    eventdomain said:
    If people think articles will propel their rankings, it wont. Articles are the wrong information to be offering, I would have thought its obvious, seeing as there's a million articles out there that did this years ago.....

    If this 'tool' is available en-mass, (and I'd put money that it is!) then it will stand out a mile and Google will pick it up and devalue it straight away.

    How can people be so silly.
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    Again, you are showing a complete lack of understanding, but nothing new there...

    eog said:
    How can anyone take you seriously when you make videos like this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6D1xwGzvZE
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    Agreed!
     
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    I am another one for the Best Spinner.

    I have also got a bit of PHP code so I can use the spun text on a webpage for times when I will have thousands of records in a database being displayed and I don't want the text to be the same but I usually mix 20 - 30 variables in.

    I also use it when posting on ezine, squidoo and other third party sites.

    I think most people mis understand the use of it and again, Event Domain you are telling people things don't work.
     
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    JohnnyCash said:
    Not hugely, but I'd prefer each individual one was capable of passing a manual review if it came to it, rather than be immediately obvious it was spun.
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    Using TBS spinning to 99% unique on 500+ word articles most get accepted into Goarticles and Article Base as well as other good directories. Generally not Ezine though so would agree it should be manually done for that one.


    Massy. Once you have a spin template for an article you then need to submit it which requires additional software and memberships.
     
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    I allow articles to be posted on my site (quite selective though)
    so if you want to send me some articles I will post them for you.

    I see it as win win, I get reasonable content and a small amount of traffic (my site gets the articles ranked) , you get your article seen, get the follow through traffic and get a link.

    see theses as an example,

    http://www.uksmallbusinessdirectory.co.uk/news/?p=1428

    http://www.uksmallbusinessdirectory.co.uk/news/?p=1418

    http://www.uksmallbusinessdirectory.co.uk/news/?p=1391

    Try a google search for the titles and you will see the rankings
     
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