My bank reversed a bank transfer sent by a customer!

gr0mit

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A Long-standing customer of mine recently settled an invoice using faster payment.

The funds appeared in my bank on November 23. They then got withdrawn on November 24.

I telephoned my bank to ask what was going on. They told me that according to their records, the sending bank had asked for the funds back as they were remitted in error, and that a letter to this effect was in the post.

My bank told me the only sensible course of action was to talk to my customer and ask them why they had requested the payment back.

I spoke to my customer, who assured me that he had never asked for the funds back, noticed that the payment had been re-credited to his account, and so sent the payment again immediately. I am waiting to see if this one gets reversed as well!

So, under what circumstances can my bank remove cleared funds from my account prior to informing me, or asking my permission to do so?

Has anybody else had this kind of experience of BACS, FP or SWIFT transactions ever being recalled?

This calls into question the safety of accepting bank transfers as a guaranteed payment method, since had the customer not been a good friend and honest, I could have lost money..

I have always assumed that bank transfers were irrevocable, and the receipt of funds in my account in settlement of an invoice meant that they would never be recalled without my prior agreement.

Comments?
 
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Matt63

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Oct 17, 2009
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Has anybody else had this kind of experience of BACS, FP or SWIFT transactions ever being recalled?

Yes, the banks can do this for up to about 24 hours, and when challenged they say that the terms and conditions of their account allow them to do this. But they normally do so in order to protect their own position (i.e. an incoming cheque to the customer bounces unexpectedly, for example, or the customer has a loan payment going out the next day). My suspicion is that your customer probably knows more than he is letting on, but if the payment reappears quickly then it is probably best to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Anecdotal evidence is that the banks are currently being extremely silly right now. I know of a business who have a deposit account and a current account. They did a transfer from the deposit account to the current account by BACS and it disappeared into the system for 3 days. In the meantime the bank bounced a cheque for £100 because of "uncleared effects" even though there was in excess of 100k in the deposit account and there was a BACS transfer for several thousand on the way!
 
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MrTanner

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May 11, 2009
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A Long-standing customer of mine recently settled an invoice using faster payment.

The funds appeared in my bank on November 23. They then got withdrawn on November 24.

I telephoned my bank to ask what was going on. They told me that according to their records, the sending bank had asked for the funds back as they were remitted in error, and that a letter to this effect was in the post.

My bank told me the only sensible course of action was to talk to my customer and ask them why they had requested the payment back.

I spoke to my customer, who assured me that he had never asked for the funds back, noticed that the payment had been re-credited to his account, and so sent the payment again immediately. I am waiting to see if this one gets reversed as well!

So, under what circumstances can my bank remove cleared funds from my account prior to informing me, or asking my permission to do so?

Has anybody else had this kind of experience of BACS, FP or SWIFT transactions ever being recalled?

This calls into question the safety of accepting bank transfers as a guaranteed payment method, since had the customer not been a good friend and honest, I could have lost money..

I have always assumed that bank transfers were irrevocable, and the receipt of funds in my account in settlement of an invoice meant that they would never be recalled without my prior agreement.

Comments?

Hi,

Unless things have changed recentley a BACs payment can be recalled the same working day it was sent, this provides many businesses a problem but also many personal customers a problem as monies coming in (wages - BACs) will not be released by a bank if you come in to collect a large amount the day it was received incase of BAC's recall.

However this rule is very useful if you get into a direct debit dispute with a supplier, as you can usually get your bank to request a return on the direct debit if you catch it the same day, particularily useful for me when in dispute with a broadband provider trying to claim monies on an unauthorised direct debit.

Hope this helps
 
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