Suspended for suspected theft.. what happens next

[Natasha93]

I have just been suspended for suspected theft. Not of money or stick but of loyalty rewards. I have been with the company since they opened 3 years ago. I have never had a verbal or written warning or any disciplinaries at all during my employment. I am currently a supervisor. Will I be sacked or will they just demote & give me a written warning. Any advice welcome.

 

[Mr D]

They should now investigate which may take time, then decide the matter. Either unsuspending you or taking the matter further. Twice in one organisation I worked for the CEO was sacked for thieving after investigation.

Most places I have worked if someone is found to have been thieving they get sacked. Your contract of employment or employee handbook may be worth checking.

 

[fisicx]

....of loyalty rewards.

How do you steal loyalty rewards?

Are they suggesting you took the rewards instead of passing them on to customers? Can they prove this? What is your defence?

 

[Ray272]

Bottom line. If you have stole from an employer you do not deserve anything but instant dismissal.

 

[obscure]

Will I be sacked or will they just demote & give me a written warning. Any advice welcome.

I think the majority of employers would consider theft to be gross misconduct and as such a sacking offence.

 

[AllUpHere]

Did you do it?

 

[Mark T Jones]

What action they will take will depend very much on the employer and the volume of evidence available

Other factors might include the scale if the theft, the circumstances and your value to them as an employee.

A grind of mine recently had a staff member (also a friend) systematically steal from him. Went to the full extent of the law - the thief ended up with a suspended sentence. For context, this was systematic long-term theft out of pure greed

 

[tony84]

If you did it and they can prove you did it, I would expect at the very least you will be fired. If someone you knew stole from you, would you want them in your life any more? If an employee stole from me, I would 100% get rid of them as the trust is gone and that would be the bare minimum.

I am going to make the assumption you did do it as you have not denied it and your post reads like you are justifying it was "only" points. In the words of Bruce Forsyth - What do points make? PRIZES!!! Whether you stole money or stock directly is besides the point, indirectly you would have benefit from something you were not entitled to.

 

[The Byre]

Did you do it?

Therein lies the crux of the problem.

We had a similar thing last year - someone trying to steal customers and turning them into 'homers'. It was because he denied it and tried to lie his way out, that he had to go.

On a personal level, I do understand the temptation. But once you are found out, it is best to 'fess-up and just say "OK, you got me! But I would like to keep my job if that is at all possible."

 

[A_G333]

Hi Natasha,

It sounds like there must be either new management, or someone is jealous of your hard work and passionate attitude to work. Therefore, they see you as a threat.

I have dealt with cases like these in my many years of working and dealing with retail, entertainment, hotel and hospitality businesses.

Long advise short, if it was the case that you truly did "steal" those loyalty points and they had hard, physical video, photographic, witness testimonies evidence, then it is a straight sackable offence, no question of suspending you and starting these investigations, etc.

 

[Newchodge]

Hi Natasha,

It sounds like there must be either new management, or someone is jealous of your hard work and passionate attitude to work. Therefore, they see you as a threat.

I have dealt with cases like these in my many years of working and dealing with retail, entertainment, hotel and hospitality businesses.

Long advise short, if it was the case that you truly did "steal" those loyalty points and they had hard, physical video, photographic, witness testimonies evidence, then it is a straight sackable offence, no question of suspending you and starting these investigations, etc.


Please can you DM me so I can advise you further.

Thank you.

Hi Natasha
Please be very very wary about paying anyone to help you at this stage.

 

[Newchodge]

It sounds like there must be either new management, or someone is jealous of your hard work and passionate attitude to work. Therefore, they see you as a threat.

Interesting construct, based on the information available. Are you trying to show the OP that you are on their side so that you can charge them money to help them when, in reality, you can do nothing?

 

[Employment Law Clinic]

It sounds like there must be either new management, or someone is jealous of your hard work and passionate attitude to work. Therefore, they see you as a threat.

I used to think I was good at my job, would be able to see the wood for the trees, but I’d openly concede, I missed the above completely from the opening post.

Long advise short, if it was the case that you truly did "steal" those loyalty points and they had hard, physical video, photographic, witness testimonies evidence, then it is a straight sackable offence, no question of suspending you and starting these investigations, etc.

In your many years of working with cases like this @A_G333 , have you always found that the employer requires hard, physical video, photo, witness evidence – something that isn’t always available (or necessary)? And when that's available, the employer is never required to comply with Burchell case law, it being a straight sackable offence?


Please, do assist more of us on the forum, post your advice here - I'm interested to learn from your experiences too.


Karl Limpert

 

[nelioneil]

Hi Natasha,

It sounds like there must be either new management, or someone is jealous of your hard work and passionate attitude to work. Therefore, they see you as a threat.

I have dealt with cases like these in my many years of working and dealing with retail, entertainment, hotel and hospitality businesses.

Long advise short, if it was the case that you truly did "steal" those loyalty points and they had hard, physical video, photographic, witness testimonies evidence, then it is a straight sackable offence, no question of suspending you and starting these investigations, etc.


Please can you DM me so I can advise you further.

Thank you.

Complete codswallop

 

[A_G333]

I can see there are a lot of negative people on this post that have a mindset of a tunnel.

I am in no way asking for money or endorsements or anything.

In fact, I give advise for free, yes I said FOR FREE!

I do personally know lawyers, solicitors and barristers for very well known firms, however, these are all personal friends of mine who I have grown up with since we were in nappies and we have grafted and worked very hard and smart to be where we are today.

So for those who are reading this, especially those who continue to be of a negative mind and nature; please be reassured AGAIN that I am NOT here for any free gain or any money, affiliation, any endorsements, or any freebies of any kind.

I am what they call a true human being who just wants to help those in need and who actually gives a damn about people and their lives whether it's to do with employment, relationships of any kind, etc. This has been my nature since I was a toddler. My parents, siblings, teachers, lecturers, class mates, past employers, PT's, CEO's of companies and others can vouch and can even write a character reference to prove such abilities.

I could sit here answering more negative comments, etc, but I don't actually have to answer to any of you negative Nelly's out there, who MAY have been born with a silver spoon in your mouth or who have connections or relations of such nature.

I am only here to help, so please keep your negative comments/assumptions to yourself and perhaps learn to give others the benefit of the doubt.

I also notice how none of you commented negatively on the other above comments that came across as such. Perhaps you are associated with those members or related. Who knows?

Thank you.

 

[Newchodge]

I can see there are a lot of negative people on this post that have a mindset of a tunnel.

I am in no way asking for money or endorsements or anything.

In fact, I give advise for free, yes I said FOR FREE!

I do personally know lawyers, solicitors and barristers for very well known firms, however, these are all personal friends of mine who I have grown up with since we were in nappies and we have grafted and worked very hard and smart to be where we are today.

So for those who are reading this, especially those who continue to be of a negative mind and nature; please be reassured AGAIN that I am NOT here for any free gain or any money, affiliation, any endorsements, or any freebies of any kind.

I am what they call a true human being who just wants to help those in need and who actually gives a damn about people and their lives whether it's to do with employment, relationships of any kind, etc. This has been my nature since I was a toddler. My parents, siblings, teachers, lecturers, class mates, past employers, PT's, CEO's of companies and others can vouch and can even write a character reference to prove such abilities.

I could sit here answering more negative comments, etc, but I don't actually have to answer to any of you negative Nelly's out there, who MAY have been born with a silver spoon in your mouth or who have connections or relations of such nature.

I am only here to help, so please keep your negative comments/assumptions to yourself and perhaps learn to give others the benefit of the doubt.

I also notice how none of you commented negatively on the other above comments that came across as such. Perhaps you are associated with those members or related. Who knows?

Thank you.

That is great to know. In that case, why not give your advice openly on the forum so that everyone can benefit - that is what the forum is about.

 

[Employment Law Clinic]

I can see there are a lot of negative people on this post that have a mindset of a tunnel.

Since you first posted, @A_G333, there were four further posts. One observed your brilliance, sought more of your insight; one felt your comments were codswallop; one provided advice to the OP (on the forum, not via DM); and one enquired about your motives.

What’s so negative about that?

I could sit here answering more negative comments, etc, but I don't actually have to answer to any of you negative Nelly's out there, who MAY have been born with a silver spoon in your mouth or who have connections or relations of such nature.

You quite rightly don’t have to answer to anyone, AG, but as you are

I am what they call a true human being who just wants to help those in need and who actually gives a damn about people and their lives whether it's to do with employment, relationships of any kind, etc.

I’m keen to learn from you.

I also notice how none of you commented negatively on the other above comments that came across as such.

I have an insatiable appetite to learn: what negative comments above, AG? Are any comments that weren’t reassuring to the OP somehow negative?


Please do share your views here, I’m interested to learn from F&F Legal Services.


Karl Limpert

 

[UKSBD]

I am only here to help, so please keep your negative comments/assumptions to yourself and perhaps learn to give others the benefit of the doubt.

There are a lot of members here who constantly post free advice and help, it's what makes the forum.

The number 1 thing that tends to peeve established members is when a new member comes in, makes 1 post and then says DM me for further advice.
It is against the whole spirit of the forum.

 

[The Byre]

In fact, I give advise for free, yes I said FOR FREE!

You might start with advice on spelling!

I do personally know lawyers, solicitors and barristers for very well known firms, however, these are all personal friends of mine who I have grown up with since we were in nappies

The idea of seeing our current lawyer in nappies is one that I find rather alarming - though you never know what people get up to in private!

I am what they call a true human being

As opposed to what? An Orang Utan? I don't think anyone here was accusing you of being anything other than actually human - though having watched War of the Planet of the Apes several times, I am very much open to suggestions for simian advancement.

you negative Nelly's out there, who MAY have been born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

The idea of a baby being born with a silver spoon in its mouth - or even a nickel-plated fork up its nose - suggests a very clumsy midwife.

Thank you.

No, I must thank you! Best laugh all day!

 

[Alyson Dyer]

I do personally know lawyers, solicitors and barristers for very well known firms, however, these are all personal friends of mine who I have grown up with since we were in nappies and we have grafted and worked very hard and smart to be where we are today.

I know a number of neurosurgeons, however many on this forum will be relieved to know I am not about to take up brain surgery anytime soon.
What exactly does your kindergarten acquaintance with professional people prove?

 

[Clinton]

I am what they call a true human being ...

To everyone on these forums, if I ever come across as a true human being, or even halfway human, please put me out of my misery. You humans are an awful lot.

The idea of a baby being born with a silver spoon in its mouth - or even a nickel-plated fork up its nose - suggests a very clumsy midwife.

If there's a risk of silver and nickel-plated cutlery finding its way into assorted orifices, I recommend this midwife stop delivering babies on the dining table.

The dining table is meant for the start of pregnancy, not for what happens at the end.

 

[obscure]

It sounds like there must be either new management, or someone is jealous of your hard work and passionate attitude to work. Therefore, they see you as a threat.

Please point to any part of the OPs post that could possibly be interpreted as suggesting there is new management or any of the other nonsense you spouted.

The OP is facing a serious employment issue and has been given honest answers as to the likely outcome based on the information they provided. What they don't need is make believe happy ending nonsense from someone who completely misinterprets a simple and clearly written request for advise.

 

[John Hemming]

Theft can be considered as gross misconduct and lead to immediate dismissal.

 

[Bronco78th]

How do you steal loyalty rewards?

About 20 years ago I worked at supermarket, it was when the whole Nectar card thing took off and I was a day worker but went to school with everyone on the late shifts so had heard it was happening....though obviously at that age was never going to say anything.

The late shift had the so called 'Nectar Point scam' basically when someone came in to buy fuel or whatever, they asked if they had a nectar card. If the customer said no, the operator would scan their own card....which had been modified to look like a staff supermarket card but was actually a nectar card with only the scan strip visible and said if anyone asked "Occasionally we have to scan these staff cards as a check on the Nectar points system to make sure its not being abused." or words to that effect.

As always greed got the better of them and someone finally twigged what was going on...maybe nectar tipped them off...im not sure....the investigation discovered the entire late night staff were in on it apart from two people and a supervisor who got a written warning, all got the sack, but not before they had accumulated a decent amount of goodies.

 

[WaveJumper]

This shows the level of people’s stupidity, so they never once thought the system might recognise the fact that someone had gained let’s say 100,000 points but not actually ever purchased anything. Just check out your Tesco club card account.

Back to the original OP some good advice above and yes alas this will probably result in breach of trust and confidence and dismissal (new management or not is irrelevant of course) theft is theft at the end of the day.