Has anyone fallen for the "UK Corporate Portal" VAT number update.

Every bit of information you give them they can use including attitude
They are experts at picking stuff up

I would get a number to call them back on for sure

But then do nothing else

Your aim is to waste their time and tell them nothing

If they ring - you say can you hang on for a minute and put the phone down at the side of the phone and get on with your work

Then after a couple of minutes pick the phone up and say sorry about that - assume they are still there - I will be done soon

Repeat

Do not get angry or threaten
Do explain or reply to anything
Say nothing but do waste their time so that they do not want to phone you

If they get a response they have an angle and an edge to work with

The aim is to ensure they have nothing to work with
 
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Adrian Raven

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Morning everyone, interesting catching up with this thread, I was 'caught out' in 2014 and have been receiving mail from this outfit ever since however, in March 2017 they stopped corresponding and I thought, great, they've gone away but this Month I got a demand for payment from their so called debt collecting outfit for payment of 3 years arrear's + a bit more, threatening legal action vie EU law etc etc. I have done a bit more research and understand what the process entails should anything come of it but for now I'm just ignoring everything. Its a hassle and a worry as it takes up too much of my time. I have reported this to action fraud but I notice someone else did and its just basically making a report, nothing will come of it. I notice that somewhere else someone was reporting that the debt collectors, DVV, are an outfit based in Portugal with a website bouncing off a server in the USA so obviously using evasion measures there. After 4 years I'm getting bored of it and would dearly like to take them on however, reading all the above advice, I will keep on sitting on this until it eventually stops. I will not pay a single penny. I'm sure that in 2013 I received paper work from these scammers which did NOT show any contract or financial details, it was only in 2014, once I had sent back the first letter that they sent out the scam letter adding the contract details and finances, totally my fault and taken in big style but I'm not giving way to a bunch of scammers like this lot. It would appear that nobody has actually received any action through any courts so that's re-assuring. Finally, I tried to contact the Hamburg equivalence of our trading standards but failed miserably being unable to locate anything similar. Watching this thread with interest. Have a good one;
 
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Exactly

Ignore all with calm

If they know you are angry they are getting a response and that gives them an edge

I had some unsolicited printer ink sent to me last year
Er about £8 worth and a bill turned up two weeks later for £185

Letters phone calls - all casually dealt with - ie ignored

They have no edge or angle or anything to go on

As soon as they get any response from me on anything they will be off and I am being pulled in

Save your time and headspace

You also cannot police a world where the police are not bothered

So ignore and get on with your own life and business
 
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They are probably far more likely to turn up at your business and cause agro if they have information you have given them and you have shown them you are worried about what might happen if you do not try to sort it all out cleanly and neatly and "properly"

Hmm - I think we have got a live one here - nice

Give them nothing and ignore - and then ...

Nothing

Never respond or do anything - then they have nothing
 
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Colin Lambert

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I have been following this thread as we were also caught out by this scam. My fault for signing but i was under a lot of time pressure at the time and "read between the lines" a lesson learnt !!

Has anyone got as far as the following received yesterday, like everyone else i have just ignored so far.

"Dear Sirs,



We have allowed suitable amount of time to resolve the matter in amicable fashion, morealso provided your business with sufficient evidence that our claim is legitimate based on proof of contract and service delivery by our client. Use the following link to view your business ongoing publication :(as per contractual promise). Hence, we hereby put your business on legal notice.


Your company’s account remains in arrears notwithstanding our attempts to contact your organisation and assist your company in clearing this commercial debt. Therefore, your company remains in serious breach of contract and the overdue account now amount to GBP 2,753.20. Resolving this debt would clearly be beneficial for your organisation, as further procrastination will lead to additional legal measures being taken in accordance with the terms and conditions of your contract in Germany, resulting in additional statutory delayed interest and legal fees. You are therefore to accept this letter as formal notice of our intention to proceed with immediate legal action.




We are acting in accordance with Directive 2000/35/EC, Recital 16 of which reads as follows:

“Late payment constitutes a breach of contract which has been made financially attractive to debtors in most Member States by low interest rates on late payments and / or slow procedures for redress. A decisive shift, including compensation of creditors for the costs incurred, is necessary to reverse this trend and to ensure that the consequences of late payments are such as to discourage late payment”.

In compliance with the above statement, we reserve the right to claim interest, compensation and reasonable costs under the UK Late Payment of Commercial Debts (Interest) Act 1998, and late payment of commercial debts regulations 2002 and 2013. And it is agreed that the term implied by that Act shall apply after any judgment as well as before. Interest shall be payable on overdue amounts at 8% over the Bank of England Base Rate from time to time.(reference to


Thus, we're applying §§ 280, 286, 288 BGB [German Civil Code] to our claim, weare entitled to assert claims for damages and interest on default in the amount of 8,17% since the invoices were issued owing to your default of payment.


You would very much regret to experience this decision. Thus, In order to permanently discharge the contract and close this overdue account on a full and final basis, without judicial enforcement, we formally request that the amount of GBP 2,753.20 be transferred to the bank details below, before or on 21.03.2018.

Please transfer settlement using the bank transfer details below and forward proof of payment:

Beneficiary : CCF Credit Collection Factoring s.r.o.

Settlement amount: GBP 2,753.20

Bank: FIO Banka

IBAN: CZ2120100000002501263342

BIC : FIOBCZPPXXX




BANK'S COUNTRY: CZECH REPUBLIC









Please forward a copy of the bank transfer confirmation to our attention confirming settlement of this account, to enable us close the account on a full and final basis.







Dr. James O. Clark

Head of Legal Department


Credit Collection Factoring s.r.o.

CZ 120 00, Prague 2, P.O.BOX 42
 
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They are now in the Czech Republic, because things have become too hot for them in the UK and Germany. As I outlined on page five, they are subject to criminal investigations in Germany.

The various names at the bottom of their letters are completely fictitious. If the undersigned were a real lawyer or even had a smattering of English language legal training, he would not have made so many grammatical mistakes and the real howler of placing a decimal comma (as in German) where in English there should be a decimal point.

At the moment the whole thing seems to be just one Adrian Wittmer of Varsavska 36, Praha 2, CZ.
 
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And you - as one of lifes worriers - are the perfect target

It is why I say - say nothing and do not interact

Only be polite and waste time if you can but not at the expense of giving them any angle or edge

Anything you say even though you may not realise it gives them an angle or edge that they can use
 
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Renault10

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We too are having the same problems with the Corporate Portal VAT number scam. It started in 2015 when we stupidly fell for the scam. I thought that it had all gone quiet as hadn't heard anything since the end of last year But this week I have received two emails from "Colin Smith", Senior Legal Counsel, Credit Collection Factoring s.r.o. and he has also rang twice today but I didn't put him through to anyone. Any advice on what I should say to him as he's ringing back tomorrow?? I am worried that this isn't going to go away. I reported it at the time to all the usual people (Action Fraud, Trading Standards, Citizens Advice) but no one has been able to help. I have ignored everything until now but now I am getting phone calls I don't know what to do. Any advice very gratefully received as I'm really worried about it.
 
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There is almost certainly no such person. They are now in Prague, because the police are investigating them in Germany and the UK.

Just put the phone down on them and say nothing. No person with legal training uses a telephone, except to a colleague or a client. They write letters. Fraudsters avoid letters, as letters can subsequently forward to the German police as I outlined earlier in this thread.

We, along with most businesses, get fraud calls all the time. Fraud, along with the seasons of the year, taxes and the DFS sale, will never go away.
 
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Renault10

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Thank you for your reply. It's horrible when it's happening to you and it's really causing me anxiety. Someone calling himself Colin Smith is ringing my office regularly. I will continue to ignore his calls. Should I contact the German Legal Practice that you mentioned earlier in the thread? Is there anything else I can do. Colin Lambert, have you heard any more from him? Will it ever go away!!
 
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