Expanding my business at 16

Kyle Curran

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Since I was 14, I have been selling cupcakes and cakes from my home to the public. In 2019, I decided to take my business in a different direction - I registered with Companies House and began selling pre-packed baked goods to dessert stores. At one point I had a customer who took £500 a week in orders but this caused problems for me as I operated from my home kitchen which is painfully small, leading to me cutting ties with this customer as I could not keep up with the demand and did not have the space.

Now I have been working with customers taking smaller orders for the past 5 months and have decided it is right to expand as I am reaching my kitchens capacity. I am going to view an industrial unit next week which, if all goes well, I will move into. The rent and service charge will cost £66 per week (including VAT) and utilities are subject to usage. I have estimated that between £5000-6000 will be needed to buy all the equipment.

My questions to the forum are:
  1. What are the questions I should be asking when visiting the unit?
  2. Are there any grants or funding you know of that would be available to myself? (Many are not applicable due to my age)
  3. Is crowdfunding even worth a thought?

Thanks, Kyle :)
 
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LanceUk

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Unf, under 18, you are not legally capable of entering an enforeceable contract (I recall there being a case to qualify this to being beyond your immedoiate needs - but can't recall it) and this will restrict your funding options. If you haven't already, you may have to appoint an adult as a director/secretary to your company and seek funding through their ability to commit the company (and likely some form of directors guarantee from more traditional sources of income).

Alterntatively there are crowdfunding sites where you can ask for money literally for anything.. A 16 year old trying to expand business will pull some hearstrings I would guess and you don't even have to offer to repay the money or give equitiy.. Something like "donate £20 and I will send you a card with my picture on it, donate £20 and I will send you a 1/2 dozen Eccles cakes baked by myself from new new kitchen (if it gets off the ground)" will do it.

Here is a story of a young (although > 18 year old) who started a flight school in Australia doing that; and went to become Australia's largest flight school before getting entangled in a lucrative but rorting government scheme and crashing back to earth...

www dot smartcompany dot com dot au/entrepreneurs/influencers-profiles/soar-aviation-neel-khokhani-flight-school
(can't formally post links yet.. have to get my posts up)
 
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JEREMY HAWKE

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    Well done it is a good idea to start when your young . It is difficult to raise funding when your under 18 with no track record but don't let anything get in the way if you are sure you have a good business model There is more than one way to get to the top of the mountain

    I would explore the crowdfunding route as @LanceUk has said and see what you think of it

    I hope you will stay on UKBF as it is always nice to see a project progress and the site needs some younger business people as the usual suspects here are the oldest people in the world and can remember Queen Victoria :):)
     
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    tony84

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    With 1-2 years of doing this, do you not have family who could chip in?
    I would not lend any of my family money for a business as I would not have much confidence in them. However you actually come across quite well and have already proved the concept, if you were my relative I would make a dent in to that £5k.
     
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    Kyle Curran

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    Unf, under 18, you are not legally capable of entering an enforeceable contract (I recall there being a case to qualify this to being beyond your immedoiate needs - but can't recall it) and this will restrict your funding options. If you haven't already, you may have to appoint an adult as a director/secretary to your company and seek funding through their ability to commit the company (and likely some form of directors guarantee from more traditional sources of income).

    Alterntatively there are crowdfunding sites where you can ask for money literally for anything.. A 16 year old trying to expand business will pull some hearstrings I would guess and you don't even have to offer to repay the money or give equitiy.. Something like "donate £20 and I will send you a card with my picture on it, donate £20 and I will send you a 1/2 dozen Eccles cakes baked by myself from new new kitchen (if it gets off the ground)" will do it.

    Here is a story of a young (although > 18 year old) who started a flight school in Australia doing that; and went to become Australia's largest flight school before getting entangled in a lucrative but rorting government scheme and crashing back to earth...

    www dot smartcompany dot com dot au/entrepreneurs/influencers-profiles/soar-aviation-neel-khokhani-flight-school
    (can't formally post links yet.. have to get my posts up)

    I did originally have my dad as the director but it offered no benefit as most grants and loans want to know about shareholders as well - and I was the majority shareholder. Although, I will 100% consider crowdfunding and hope it works out for me.

    Thanks!
     
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    Kyle Curran

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    Well done it is a good idea to start when your young . It is difficult to raise funding when your under 18 with no track record but don't let anything get in the way if you are sure you have a good business model There is more than one way to get to the top of the mountain

    I would explore the crowdfunding route as @LanceUk has said and see what you think of it

    I hope you will stay on UKBF as it is always nice to see a project progress and the site needs some younger business people as the usual suspects here are the oldest people in the world and can remember Queen Victoria :):)

    Definitely a mixture of family donations and crowdfunding will be my way to go. I'll keep the thread updated.

    Thanks!
     
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    Kyle Curran

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    With 1-2 years of doing this, do you not have family who could chip in?
    I would not lend any of my family money for a business as I would not have much confidence in them. However you actually come across quite well and have already proved the concept, if you were my relative I would make a dent in to that £5k.

    My family are super supportive and I'm sure they will give what they can to support me, after-all they might be wanting a job someday ;)

    Thanks!
     
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    a. The name of your company has not been trademarked - do that now! There are three businesses trading under that name and you need to register it asap! The company name alone ain't enough!

    b. Go easy on the investment - as nice as it may be to buy shiny and new mixers and ovens and worktops from Nisbet, start with some domestic stuff, prices for basic domestic ovens start at £120 and you should also do the rounds at the charity shops to see what they have got. Spending money is easy! Someone out there had a perfectly good chest freezer or ovens or tables or mixers that they want to be rid of. You just have to find them!

    c. Used professional kitchen stuff is available all over the place.
     
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    Opinion87

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    @The Byre has posted very good advice as usual. You can get second hand equipment really cheap if you spend some time looking around, and a lot of the time it just needs a really good clean and a little bit of love. Even if it only lasts you a year or two, at a fraction of the price of new stuff, it'll be well worth it.

    Also, it might be worth approaching local businesses that already have a commercial kitchen that don't use them all day, every day, to see if they might let you use it when they're not. A lot of pubs don't serve food all day so the kitchen sits empty, some cafes may close at 17:00 etc.
     
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    tony84

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    I did originally have my dad as the director but it offered no benefit as most grants and loans want to know about shareholders as well - and I was the majority shareholder. Although, I will 100% consider crowdfunding and hope it works out for me.

    Thanks!

    If you do crowdfunding, post the link on here.

    There are hundreds of posts on here from people starting out who have terrible ideas or want everything handed to them on a plate.

    You have just got on with it and given it a go and now you know it works you are looking to build on it. I am obviously not offering you £5k, but happy to give a little bit to help you on your way as I think you are probably more like to make a real go of it than most people I see wanting to start out on here.

    You come across far better than I did at 16 and probably far better than I do at 35.
     
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    Good luck to you - and as said, spend wisely on your equipment. I own a bakery& shop that developed out of an at home food delivery business - only now 4 years into the business are we starting to buy new equipment. Just bought a new double freezer that broke my heart at almost 2k!

    There is lots to be had second hand - I suspect especially at the moment as a lot of catering businesses will not be re-opening. Fridges and freezers are difficult because often they’re f*cked and the gas has gone but still deals to be had if you can see stuff working or buy from “professional” refurbishers.

    try to get everything in stainless steel and if you can, on wheels - hygiene inspectors much prefer the stainless and the wheels make it easier for moving everything out and doing your cleaning behind it. Stainless tablets and shelving can be bought cheaply on eBay - either second hand or new stuff which is of limited build quality but certainly usable to get you going. Again we just ditched some stainless tables we had that were finally giving up the ghost after 2 years - but from memory they were only about £80 each and have been great for us until we could start to get beefier and heavy duty.

    Happy to help if you’ve any other questions and again, best of luck!
     
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    LanceUk

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    I did originally have my dad as the director but it offered no benefit as most grants and loans want to know about shareholders as well - and I was the majority shareholder. Although, I will 100% consider crowdfunding and hope it works out for me.

    Thanks!

    If you absolutely trust your parents, the simple thing is to transfer the shareholding to them on the agreement they will transfer it back when you get the funding you need. However, if you don't trust them, whatever financing you get requires a covenant for them to hold the shareholding, or just because other things you may want to do has the same requirements, transfer the shareholding to them under a trust - that way your parents legally own the business, but the ultimate ownership is retained by you. Of course, there are always things to look out for, so it would have to be done properly... and the trust should automatically revert upon your 18th birthday..

    BTW - well done (slightly envious, to be honest) and good luck with your endeavour. I'd be happy to kick in a little bit for free cupcakes ;-)
     
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    If you do crowdfunding, post the link on here.

    There are hundreds of posts on here from people starting out who have terrible ideas or want everything handed to them on a plate.

    You have just got on with it and given it a go and now you know it works you are looking to build on it. I am obviously not offering you £5k, but happy to give a little bit to help you on your way as I think you are probably more like to make a real go of it than most people I see wanting to start out on here.

    You come across far better than I did at 16 and probably far better than I do at 35.

    100%. I wish I had my head screwed on that well at that age. We get these seemingly switched on youngsters from time to time, it'd interesting to see if we could get a few of us to band together as some sort of UKBF members Dragons Den or something. I imagine for someone like the OP, a little bit of funding as well as the knowledge, guidance and advice from some members on here would be an incredible boost.
     
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    tony84

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    100%. I wish I had my head screwed on that well at that age. We get these seemingly switched on youngsters from time to time, it'd interesting to see if we could get a few of us to band together as some sort of UKBF members Dragons Den or something. I imagine for someone like the OP, a little bit of funding as well as the knowledge, guidance and advice from some members on here would be an incredible boost.

    Sounds like a good idea, but I can probably count on one hand how many people I have seen on this site who I would help out and thats over about 10-15 years.
     
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    Kyle Curran

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    UPDATE:

    I went to visit the unit on Tuesday and it seems decent. A few minor things need done - floors cleaned, walls painted, plug sockets fitted, water supply hooked up to sink, new light bulbs and few ceiling tiles need replaced but with family and friends on board I should be able to get all this done for well under £500.

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    ^^ Apologies as I cant yet post images.

    The rent is £1752.00 per annum (ex vat) and service charge is £1093 per annum (ex vat). I've estimated utilities to be about £90 per month. So I'm looking at £375 per month.

    The only thing I'm left to work out is the equipment. I've contacted Business Gateway and the Princes Trust. All grants have been paused due to Covid-19 so I may need to borrow the money from family and pay them back.

    Thats where I'm at. Thanks to everyone for your continued support! :)
     
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    A good and enlightening thread to read.

    Well done Kyle on your outlook, dedication and positiveness (I could add more).

    My tuppence worth . . . .

    Try to stand out from the other 'cup cake' start-ups and have themes with different categories . . . . .egg free, nut free, vegan . . . .etc etc.

    Use Eco friendly packaging where possible.

    Use 'healthy' alternatives where possible.

    Health, Eco, Sustainability are all buzzwords you should use in your business, where possible.

    Best of luck and success with your venture.
     
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    Don't overstretch too soon. Try and keep costs down to minimal so you can make money to buy better stuff.
    The reason I say this is because you clearly are clever at business to be making £500 a week from one customer, so if you can get orders like that again in the future you can soon upgrade to better equipment without any loans or debts.

    Ask family or friends for any money, but don't ask for too much, instead it might be a good idea to have a scheme where for £50, they will not only help their relative/friend to succeed, but you will mail them a free box of 6 cupcakes every month for the first year as a way of saying thank you. Yes, they will be expensive cupcakes and in the long run you may lose money but it will be a good early injection into the business and cheaper than any lone, and the cupcakes will be a nice thank you every month for those that believe in you.

    Definitely look for second hand equipment, but being in Lockdown and Covid-19 you might also do well at entering into business right now because for starters, be cheeky and ask for a reduction on the unit to see if you can get it cheaper. Check out any restaurants or cafes or other food places that are struggling and about to close up forever, because you can swoop in and get some very expensive equipment for a really small price that will last you years before needing upgraded.
    In fact, barter everywhere if you can because all businesses are struggling and needing cash injections and while it won't always work, you might find you get some really good early discounts when starting up.

    Source out buying ingredients in bulk too. Going to a commercial website that sells 20kg bags of sugar might end up highly cost effective for a baking business compared to picking up bags of sugar from Asda. The same goes for chocolate, paper cases, and so on. Anything that you use a lot off, you should look to buying bulk from a reputable company that can supply direct in bulk so that it cuts your costs right down. Don't pay retailer prices when you don't need to, and although some of them will only supply free delivery or have minimum orders of £150, you can get a fair few different ingredients for that and not have to re-order for weeks unless you are selling them so fast.

    Finally, consider whether to launch a subscription service using an online option like Subbly. For a small fee (the cost of a website) they will not only provide you with a website but also handle all the logistics of subscription services, leaving you to bake boxes of cakes and sending them to your customers. The benefits of subscription boxes is regular customers, and the ability to pre-plan. Boxes of cakes seem very popular right now, it might just be because of lockdown people are buying them but I know a local person in my village who is selling 100 boxes of 6 cupcakes a day from her home. If you have a bigger operation and operated on a monthly subscription box and had the logistics in place to expand it nationwide, there is no reason why you couldn't end up with 500 orders a day or more. With a profit margin of around £3-£4 an order, that could be £2000 profit a day which is more than enough money to expand further if you need to upgrade equipment, bigger premises or hire a second person to work with you to get the orders out.

    My advice is to start as small and especially cheap as possible, and grow with experience. You clearly have experience on making sales, and baking, now you need to expand into a bigger operation, learn what is needed from being a proper business rather than a small cottage industry, and once money gets better, start to expand slowly but surely with confidence.

    Good luck mate.
     
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