Would you invest in a ****** Index?

[BlockState]

Hello everyone,

One of the products that we are working on is a ****** investment product called the CTF15. The CTF15 is a passive ******-asset strategy that tracks the largest 15 ******-assets, weighted by their market capitalisation (very similar to the FTSE100).

 

[estwig]

I've always wanted my very own, passive ******-asset strategy.

Where do I send the money?

 

[BlockState]

I've always wanted my very own, passive ******-asset strategy.

Where do I send the money?

Thank you for your feedback

What are you looking for exactly in a ******-asset strategy that you can't find on the traditional market?

 

[mattk]

No. I think that ship has long sailed.

 

[BlockState]

No. I think that ship has long sailed.

What do you find the most skeptical about Cryptocurrencies?

 

[mattk]

I'm not skeptical, I just think that last year there was so much FOMO (articles in the main stream media about how to buy ******, forums full of people trying to sign up to Coinbase, people at work asking how to deposit FIAT) that I cannot see any way that prices will go back up to where there were around Christmas.

Coupled with that, anyone who has bought in the last year and is still holding is looking at a loss. Those people will eventually get tired of waiting for the rebound and sell up, driving the price even lower.

 

[BlockState]

I'm not skeptical, I just think that last year there was so much FOMO (articles in the main stream media about how to buy ******, forums full of people trying to sign up to Coinbase, people at work asking how to deposit FIAT) that I cannot see any way that prices will go back up to where there were around Christmas.

Coupled with that, anyone who has bought in the last year and is still holding is looking at a loss. Those people will eventually get tired of waiting for the rebound and sell up, driving the price even lower.

Thank you for your input.

This is nothing new to ******.

In 2012 the price has been floating around the £10 mark and in 2013 it has gone up to over £200, when it suddenly crashed. Many thought it was the end of ******.

In 2013 the price has been floating around the £100 mark and in late 2013 it has gone up to £1000, when it suddenly crashed. Many thought it was the end of ******.

In 2017 the prices were floating around the £1000 mark and it has gone up to £15,000, when it suddenly crashed. Many think this is the end of ******. Is this the end of ******?

The general analysts' opinion today is to keep hodling

 

[Chawton]

You've got to know when to hodl 'em,
Know when to fodl 'em
Know when to wakl away
And know when to rnu

 

[Mark T Jones]

90% if the ****** investments I’ve seen wee sold by people who were either clueless or crooks

The remaining 10% made it clear that it was a speculative investment to be treated with caution

If I want to make speculative investments I’d prefer to do my own selecting TBH

 

[Mr D]

Hello everyone,

One of the products that we are working on is a ****** investment product called the CTF15. The CTF15 is a passive ******-asset strategy that tracks the largest 15 ******-assets, weighted by their market capitalisation (very similar to the FTSE100).

I tend to steer clear of people trying to sell investments in their project. Objective look at things rather than subjective.
If an investment strategy turns up xxx as a good method of investing then great. So far no cryptocurrency investment has crossed my desk as a good investment.
Much to the annoyance of a few people trying to sell me on investing in their problem they are trying to get out of.

 

[BlockState]

I tend to steer clear of people trying to sell investments in their project. Objective look at things rather than subjective.
If an investment strategy turns up xxx as a good method of investing then great. So far no cryptocurrency investment has crossed my desk as a good investment.
Much to the annoyance of a few people trying to sell me on investing in their problem they are trying to get out of.

Thank you for your comment.

We are not looking to convince anyone to invest into us. We are trying to start a conversation, exchange opinions and points of view.

Warren Buffet once said "one should never put all one's eggs in one basket". Investing into a ****** Index (for example of the top 15 Cryptocurrencies) would reduce the risks that come with investing into just one Cryptocurrency.

 

[Mr D]

Thank you for your comment.

We are not looking to convince anyone to invest into us. We are trying to start a conversation, exchange opinions and points of view.

Warren Buffet once said "one should never put all one's eggs in one basket". Investing into a ****** Index (for example of the top 15 Cryptocurrencies) would reduce the risks that come with investing into just one Cryptocurrency.

Indeed, all eggs in one basket is a policy few would suggest.
Spreading between multiple baskets and watching those baskets works.

Not investing in a ****** index appears to be the working policy so far. None have yet met requirements regarding risk, rewards, costs and opportunities.

 

[BlockState]

Indeed, all eggs in one basket is a policy few would suggest.
Spreading between multiple baskets and watching those baskets works.

Not investing in a ****** index appears to be the working policy so far. None have yet met requirements regarding risk, rewards, costs and opportunities.

That is exactly the reason why we have joined this sector: we found a gap that we are going to fill

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

Warren Buffet once said "one should never put all one's eggs in one basket". Investing into a ****** Index (for example of the top 15 Cryptocurrencies) would reduce the risks that come with investing into just one Cryptocurrency.

And yet all your eggs are still in the one ****** basket, which is full of egg-sized holes...

 

[NickGrogan]

Warren Buffet once said "one should never put all one's eggs in one basket". Investing into a ****** Index (for example of the top 15 Cryptocurrencies) would reduce the risks that come with investing into just one Cryptocurrency.

I wouldn't been keen to invest with someone who didn't know what reducing risk and "one should never put all one's eggs in one basket" meant.

 

[TODonnell]

Oh my, a derivative investment in a volatile niche. Please, take my money! [grin]

I think a lot of people don't actually know what a Bitcoin _is_, physically.

 

[BlockState]

I think a lot of people don't actually know what a Bitcoin _is_, physically.

That is true, and we are here to answer any questions that you may have regarding Bitcoin and other Cryptocurrencies

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

@BlockState your poll at the top suggests as an answer "I don't invest in stock Indexes [SIC]" - without going too far in to the signals around trust and credibility that come with using Indexes rather than Indices, you seem to suggest that a ****** index is comparable with a stock index. Its not. ****** is nothing like stock.

My question regarding Bitcoin and other Cryptocurrencies is this - do you know what they are?

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Where's the 4th choice?

There's no such thing.

 

[BlockState]

@BlockState your poll at the top suggests as an answer "I don't invest in stock Indexes [SIC]" - without going too far in to the signals around trust and credibility that come with using Indexes rather than Indices, you seem to suggest that a ****** index is comparable with a stock index. Its not. ****** is nothing like stock.

My question regarding Bitcoin and other Cryptocurrencies is this - do you know what they are?

We think traditional indexes lack an open and community-driver character in order to foster the ecosystem.

Do you know how MSCI World works?

Our strategy uses crowd-validated open-source data in order to democratize financial instruments in this new asset class.

 

[ecommerce84]

Someone once told me that when the ‘masses’ start investing you’ve missed the boat on the big money.

Given all the hype around bitcoin recently, I would think we’re at that stage.

My benchmark would be that once a member of my family says ‘you should invest in......’ then it’s a bad investment.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

We think traditional indexes lack an open and community-driver character in order to foster the ecosystem.

Do you know how MSCI World works?

Our strategy uses crowd-validated open-source data in order to democratize financial instruments in this new asset class.

Can you translate this into non-jargon please?

Also.......its indices.

 

[Mr D]

Someone once told me that when the ‘masses’ start investing you’ve missed the boat on the big money.

Given all the hype around bitcoin recently, I would think we’re at that stage.

My benchmark would be that once a member of my family says ‘you should invest in......’ then it’s a bad investment.

Its one of those things where people can be right by accident.
Lots of people invested in British Gas. Remember the tell Sid campaign on TV prior to it going public?
Oh and Sid committed suicide. Gassed himself as no one bothered to tell him about the shares.

Seriously the masses already invest via a series of methods in many shares. Pension schemes, trackers, ISAs etc. They may not be able to name the shares but they have often thousands invested across them.

An old man I worked for suggested once I invest in a particular company. If I had done so with a grand at the time, a decade later I'd have well over a quarter million pounds investment.

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

Oh and Sid committed suicide. Gassed himself as no one bothered to tell him about the shares.

I see what you did there!!

Oh wait...

 

[BlockState]

Can you translate this into non-jargon please?

Also.......its indices.

Actually, both "indices" and "indexes" are acceptable plural forms of the word "index"

Warren buffet says ""The trick is not to pick the right company," Buffett says. "The trick is to essentially buy all the big companies through the S&P 500 and to do it consistently." The key here, is that the S&P 500 is a passive index fund.

The CTF15 will implement a similar strategy but with the top performing 15 cryptocurrencies.

The difference is, however, that the pricing data used for the CTF15 will be decentralized, open-source and validated by the public.

This post was not intended to be an advertisement for our products, but the best way for you to understand that concept might be by checking out DIAdata(dot)org

 

[Mr D]

Actually, both "indices" and "indexes" are acceptable plural forms of the word "index"

Warren buffet says ""The trick is not to pick the right company," Buffett says. "The trick is to essentially buy all the big companies through the S&P 500 and to do it consistently." The key here, is that the S&P 500 is a passive index fund.

The CTF15 will implement a similar strategy but with the top performing 15 cryptocurrencies.

The difference is, however, that the pricing data used for the CTF15 will be decentralized, open-source and validated by the public.

This post was not intended to be an advertisement for our products, but the best way for you to understand that concept might be by checking out DIAdata(dot)org

Just sounds very much like an advertisement?

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

Actually, both "indices" and "indexes" are acceptable plural forms of the word "index"

Indices is the accepted plural when dealing with mathematical or statistical applications.
Indexes is the accepted plural when dealing with literary, written applications (such as the index sections of a book or paper).

Financial markets clearly fall into the former category - while you often hear both banded about in financial media, that does not mean it is correct. Indices is the correct plural in this case.

Stop quoting Warren Buffet, and stop aligning cryptocurrency with the stock market. Does Warren Buffet invest in Bitcoin? Very few quotes are ever intended to be universalised, and I think the great man would really take exception if he could be bothered about you using his name to support the fallacy of ****** "currency" as an investment instrument.

If you need a financial instrument to compare or align it to, then ****** currency behaves most like a commodity. Its just like gold, or copper, or pig bellies, or barrels of oil....except its way more volatile, far more risky, and far less simple to understand.

 

[Mark T Jones]

Here’s my tip

Assuming your platform as strong and dependable, promote it to those who are interested in crpypto. It’s actually not a bad idea

However, your promotion of ****** itself is letting you down - uninformed and relying on spurious, out of context quotes.

 

[BlockState]

Here’s my tip

Assuming your platform as strong and dependable, promote it to those who are interested in crpypto. It’s actually not a bad idea

However, your promotion of ****** itself is letting you down - uninformed and relying on spurious, out of context quotes.

Thank you for your tip.

The reason that we are here is to collect input from your community.

Our intention was never to promote ******.

We are currently developing different Blockchain-enabled products: Other than the CTF15 we are also planning to release a blockchain-enabled framework that uses smart-contracts to streamline issuing, clearing and settling of bonds and loans as well as a blockchain-enabled derivative market.

We are engaging in conversation to gauge insights which inform the development of our various products.

 

[Jason Howard]

No its not real and therefore doesn't have any back investment such as gold. If someone says it doesn't exist anymore and enough people believe that, it is gone and so is your money.

 

[Gordon - Commercial Finance]

I do know about cryptocurrencies a lot.

Hopefully more than you know about the law.