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Why overtaxing the rich is wrong

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  1. bdw

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    Here's what you said ...

     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: bdw Member since: Aug 13, 2008
  2. Lee Jones Jnr

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    Im not sure why a dead end job is worse than no job?
    I suppose self respect is not something that everyone has.
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: Lee Jones Jnr Member since: Dec 6, 2009
  3. adventurelife

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    Speculative researched approaches to potential employers is exactly what those looking should be doing.

    Over 90% of my team have been recruited that way, when I was in the job market that was also they way I got every job I had.

    Apply for advertised vacancies and you will have to be an exact match and the standout candidate as you will have huge competition.

    Businesses make decisions about employing people all the time and many of them only revert to advertising the vacancy as the last resort. You want to be speaking to them before they go to advertising.

    Guy who flew up to meet me in Edinburgh airport yesterday who was unemployed with casual work in a store got an offer straight away. He had the attitude we look for. 1 month trial working in Morocco he does well it goes full time.

    There is obviously not 2 or 3 million jobs being advertised but there are lots of jobs that are not being advertised I have no idea of the number though but most employers I know of small to medium companies recruit in a similar fashion to I do.
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: adventurelife Member since: Dec 2, 2007
  4. bdw

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    Seems strange to me. I just cannot imagine how these people run their small businesses. They don't have enough staff but they are happy to live with it until the right person just happens to knock their door?

    Nah! Sorry, I just cannot see it.

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    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: bdw Member since: Aug 13, 2008
  5. Podge

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    This is slightly off topic but I'm interested to hear you thoughts on this.

    I applied for a job as a Customer Service Agent for a company which is opening new stores in the North West.
    I managed to get to a group interview that was held today at a hotel close to the Trafford Centre.
    About 100 or so attended and after we had all introduced ourselves and listened to the interviewer sell the job to us, we were all asked to go to the trafford centre and bring back something unusual and free :eek:

    Has anyone else been asked or have asked their interview candidates to do anything like this ?

    I didn't get the job by the way :(
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: Podge Member since: Jan 13, 2011
  6. billie1

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    Don't know about over taxing the rich, but paying tax according to what you earn is fair. The more you earn, the more tax you should pay, especially if you live in a country with a social system. I do appreciate the Social system, where people can get hospital care or see a doctor whether they're rich or poor.

    If you prefer to pay lower taxes then you can move to a country without a social system, like USA. I've heard stories about people who are terminally ill in the USA, who end up in millions of dollars of debt because they have to pay for their medical bills. I don't want to live in a country where people have to die because they cannot afford to pay for their medical bills.
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: billie1 Member since: Nov 3, 2008
  7. JohnnyCash

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    I don't have numbers to hand for other countries, but Czech Rep is 15% flat rate tax and anyone can walk into a hospital and be treated for free at any time.
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: JohnnyCash Member since: Dec 8, 2010
  8. billie1

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    Well that will depend of varying factors e.g. the size of the pupulation, the benefits system etc.

    One thing I think the government needs to tackle which could possibly save us paying such high taxes is to tackle the current benefits system where healthy adults choose not to work.
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: billie1 Member since: Nov 3, 2008
  9. JohnnyCash

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    Sure, but just making the point that you don't need a 50% tax bracket to have a social system in place :) Getting the work shy out of the system would definitely help though.
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: JohnnyCash Member since: Dec 8, 2010
  10. Podge

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    I agree with this but not until unemployment fall dramatically. So not for the foreseeable future then :(
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: Podge Member since: Jan 13, 2011
  11. papverpoppies

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    Slightly different, but someone I know applied for a chefs job, within a large hotel group that was opening a new hotel in their area.

    Again, a group interview of about 15 people, half way through they each got handed a £1 and told go and buy something that reflected them.

    My friend bought some paper napkins, and took them back to make fancy napkin shapes with, (he told them that they reflected his creative side, as he could make something 'special' from the plain ordinary) he said others bought choccie bars, and believe it or not several just pocketed the quid and never came back.

    He, got offered a job, not at the new place but at one of their larger City establishments.

    Unusual, but I guess they want to see what you can come up with, if put on the spot maybe!!;)

    Sorry you never got a job Podge.

    Pops xx
     
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    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: papverpoppies Member since: Apr 8, 2009
  12. Podge

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    No worries Pops "never say never" eh :)
     
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    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: Podge Member since: Jan 13, 2011
  13. papverpoppies

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    Nothing ventured nothing gained......
    I wonder how many applied for the the jobs.
    Did you read MY post about the new Dobbies store opening in Carlisle, something likE 2700 people applied for 110 jobs:eek:

    POPS XX
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: papverpoppies Member since: Apr 8, 2009
  14. adventurelife

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    See it or not it happens. The thing is when a business is well established it will get approaches all the time I get around 10 a week and I am a small business.

    Vast majority do not get a job obviously but some do. I have had to revert to advertising for some more specialist roles and management in the past but that is it.

    As I said got all the jobs I had by doing speculative approaches as well. Finding a job is exactly like direct selling a product or service it is a numbers game.
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: adventurelife Member since: Dec 2, 2007
  15. Matt1959

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    I dont think you're going to get a job knocking on Tescos door as big companies have procedures but the smaller employers are different as they think on their feet.

    As an example, I had someone phone me up for a part time job and I turned him down saying I want looking for anyone at the moment. Then the guy knocked on my door and persuaded me to give him a go so I did and he stayed 12 months to both our benefits. If this isnt an example of someone getting a job through their own initiative I dunno what is:|

    Isnt it the case that theres a fair few employers out there that are sick and tired of the quality of applicants and would rather work hard and be short staffed than go through the agro of employing poor people??? These are the firms to target IMO.

    Poppy said 39% of firms dont advertise vacancies so theres some potential straight away for those with initiative to get in first.

    Yes theres a bit of overegging going on here but the principle must remain that those that think outside the box and don't follow the masses are more likely to have success - BDW you can't disagree with this surely:|:|
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: Matt1959 Member since: Sep 8, 2006
  16. JohnnyCash

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    I would bet a high percentage of the firms not advertising, are not doing so because they have people waiting to come into these jobs via other connections. I don't think many of these jobs are going to people who ring random doorbells.
     
    Posted: Apr 27, 2011 By: JohnnyCash Member since: Dec 8, 2010
  17. bdw

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    No, I don't disagree with this and it could help in a few isolated cases. But some people in here are making statements that suggest all you have to do is knock on doors to get a job. That's daft. Clearly the problem is that there are not enough jobs to go round. Look at the unemployment figures. The unemployed cannot all just put on a superman outfit and knock a door to get a job.

    Having said that, I am not sure how we got here because it is off topic is it not?

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    Posted: Apr 28, 2011 By: bdw Member since: Aug 13, 2008
  18. Lee Jones Jnr

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    For most of the long term unemployed the problem is not that there are not enough jobs to go around, it is that they are not attractive candidates for employment.
    I could enter the job market tomorrow and be in work within a fortnight.
     
    Posted: Apr 28, 2011 By: Lee Jones Jnr Member since: Dec 6, 2009
  19. bdw

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    Ah, so you have a superman outfit too then?

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    Posted: Apr 28, 2011 By: bdw Member since: Aug 13, 2008
  20. JohnLocke1

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    The problem with these figures is that a great percentage have to apply for any job to keep their benefits. When we have advertised for staff in the past we got wholly unsuitable candidates, and even worse about 70% turning up who are clearly there to keep the DSS happy and would be horrified if you offered them a job.

    The process just wasted so much time we ended up finding staff through private avenues, took longer time scale wise to find someone, but a lot less physically, and a lot less disheartening.

    Should add, the methods the didn't work for us were via the Job Centre and local rag.
     
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    Posted: Apr 28, 2011 By: JohnLocke1 Member since: Apr 12, 2011
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