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Discussion in 'General Business Forum' started by Duke Fame, Jan 16, 2010.
Some good policies there .. sounds like BNP is the one to go with
So please explain something to all us thick jocks who you seem to think have racialist tendencies. If you lived where we live who would you vote for?
Labour? We have had labour in Scotland all my life apart from the last few years and if you want big government they are your boys.
Tory ? More control from London and no local support at all
So all knowledgeable one who would you vote for if you lived in Scotland?
I wouldn't joke about something like that. Although it is worrying how many BMP policies appeal to mainstream voters. It demonstrates how far off the mark the main parties are on areas such as:
- The rights of law abiding citizens
When people use the word "racialist" it is generally a joke, meaning: less informed liberal PC dogooders could acuse you of being racisit.
I suppose I'd vote Tory. Scotland is better served by than many parts of the UK. Glasgow's shipyards were given preferential treatment by the Tories over and above those at Wallsend for instance. Are the issues of business in Aberdeen ignored when fixing policy whilst the businesses in Carlisle are thriving because of targeted policy?
You are right that London receives a particular focus from the UK government but that adversely effects Manchester just as much as it does Glasgow.
Sorry, but I disagree. If you think the BNP and SNP are idealogically similar then you don't know what you're talking about - i.e. you're ignorant.
Except there isn't.
Cameron is just an arse he will promise all these things but he wont do them so im not voting for him.
You need to look closer!
Calling someone ignorant because they have a different opinion to oneself is the height of ignorance.
Now stupid is fair game.
I actually think that the turn out figures will be quite high.
Round here at least, the winds of change are blowing.
No matter which angle you look at it from, this country is on it's knees and it's because of the current government. It's not rocket science to fix it and it just needs somebody with balls to fix it. The questions is: does Cameron have the kahoonas to do it?
So by voting Tory you are more or less wasting your vote unless you live in the one or two wards they may get in on. And I do mean one or two At present we only have one so you would think with Labour's record the Tories will win more? Best case 5 but ore likely one or two.
So your vote will be a bit of paper floating in the wilderness. Smart move.
Now if everyone thought like that!
Also I think there will be a few BIG upsets in Labour heartland.
They have abandoned their traditional support ie the hardworking, low income majority in favour of welfare scroungers, asylum seekers as well as very well paid Bankers etc.
I have never been a Labour voter but I can see how hardworking folk on low incomes could have voted for them in the past. I cant possibly understand how any hardworking person could consider voting for them this time.
Public sector employees and welfare scroungers are the only informed people who could possibly vote for them again.
That's just a meaningless argument. People don't wake up on election day and change their opinions en masse and in the same direction. Patterns tend to hold constant from one day to another.
If you live in a constituency that the Tories have zero chance of winning, then voting for them is wasting a vote.
It makes more sense to ignore the Tory candidate and choose what you think is the best of the live contenders.
In many constituencies in Scotland, the race will be between Labour and SNP. So, if you hate Labour, SNP is the only way to try to beat them.
Does not work like that in Scotland. We had a by election a few weeks ago and Labour won it my a mile. People will vote for them again you can be sure o that. The whole UK has a limited choice in who to vote for but in Scotland it is even less in most areas it is Labour or SNP so if we do not want Labour to carry on killing the country we have little option but to vote SNP.
It is a difficult one really - no-one wants labour back in! After selling gold reserves off and being taxed to the hilt, it is hard to imagine how broke the country has become!
The tories, well, they havn't a good track record anyway with hiding BSE for ten years until it got to a state where it nearly killed off the country - but they are more enterprise focused, which we could benefit from - although expect more taxes, as above - we are skint as a country!
The SDP - well, they always make the right noises and never keep to what they say. Having lived in SDP areas, they seemed to do what they like without consultation or care for what people want. The risk of that on a countrywide scale is a risk!
I think a new party would do well, if they were more aggressive, and fair with the country. The common sense party if you like - but that just isn't british!
Although I know little about Scottish politics I cannot understand how anyone (aforementioned benefit scroungers aside) could vote for Labour.
As I said I have never been a Labour voter, but I understood why those who chose Labour did so. Nowadays I just cant understand it!
Also these are business forums. I would expect Labour voters to be a very rare thing in these parts, but that seems not to be true and I dont really understand why.
It is straight forward. They have always voted Labour and their parents did and their parents before them. This was compounded in Scotland with Maggie testing her economic theories in Scotland s now Scotland which used to be a conservative country has now very few conservative voters.
So again it comes back to choice and we d not really have one that can make an impact.
My prediction for Scotland is
1st Labour most seats by a fair margin
2nd SNP will gain a couple
3rd LD stay about the same
4th Con will gain 1 maybe 2
So the Scottish vote is going to ensure that the likely very heavy English vote for the Conservatives is going to be canceled out to some extent. It is even possible that we will get a hung parliment situation or worse a Labour victory based on how Scotland votes
I agree, Labour Victory or hung parliament are very likely but disastrous outcomes. Even if you dont like the Torys, a change in regime with a large majority always gives the economy a huge boost.
Do you think that Labour has abandoned the people who elected them all those years ago to such a degree that even those people will vote Conservative? They changed once, they can change again.
The recent factual evidence based on the last by election in November returned
Based on a 33% turnout.
So I am afraid that the majority of Scotland will continue to vote Labour no matter how much pain we get or not vote at all.
Hence, my previous comments about not having a real choice here.
If we vote Tory they will not win the seat so wasted vote. Our best chance is SNP which will keep the Labour wins lower and that will let the Tory lot win.
Of course that will raise all sorts of other issues and it is hung the SNP suddenly become everyone's friends.
That said no one wants a hung situation as the economy will tank even more
Weren't Labour elected by middle class floating voters?
If so, I'd say the voters have abandoned Labour, not the other way round.
Labour may decide their best chance is to ignore these voters and try to mobilise their more working class supporters in order to minimise their losses.
(as Peter pointed out, Labour won that by-election, but it was with a tiny turnout - Labour have real apathy problems)
That assumes every Scottish constituency is like Glasgow East. It isn't. The Conservatives are a close second here, and it's a target seat for them.