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Which post is higher? Executive vs Manager

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  1. Eugene Hill

    Eugene Hill UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Since my first job, I believed that an 'Executive' is a lower rank to 'Manager' and worked under the orders of a 'Managers'. The reason was the fact that the freshers were designated as 'Executives' and the ones with more experience were designated as 'Managers'. So it is pretty obvious for a fresher to believe that Executives are lower than the Managers in terms of Hierarchy!
    I just recently realized about my childhood days when my father used to brag about one of his relative being an 'executive officer'! And I used to believe that being an 'executive' was something cool!! But over the years my perception took a 180 degree turn! Since last few years I believed that Managers > Executives!
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    ow I wonder what is the real and true hierarchy in this case?

    I read this in an article somewhere and It blew my concepts! And I quote the part -

    "What is the difference between Executive and Manager?

    A manager is the person who is responsible for the activities of a group of employees in an organization. He has to play the role of a motivator and mentor while guiding the employees to achieve the goals of the organization. There may be supervisors under a manger to help him in his task, but the overall responsibility for the performance of the workers under him lies on the shoulders of a manger. Different departments in a company have differently called managers such as production manager, accounts manager, sales manager, and so on. A manager is at the lower rung of the managerial ladder that he has to climb for a prominent position in the management. These days, managers are hired by celebrities too to look after their careers.

    On the other hand, an executive is a person who is responsible for putting into action the plans and policies of the top management of a company. He is the person who has to see that the day to day functioning of the company carries on smoothly without any hitches. In short, an executive has to oversee the administration function of the organization. An executive has a higher standing in an organization than a manager."


    Is anybody here who can help me get rid off this confusion?
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Eugene Hill Member since: Oct 5, 2018
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  2. MikeJ

    MikeJ UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    Without wishing to sound rude, who gives a flying f**k what people are called?
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: MikeJ Member since: Jan 15, 2008
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  3. MEAVO

    MEAVO UKBF Contributor Full Member

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    These days there's title inflation just like grade inflation at universities... eveyone's an exec or manager... start-ups with 3 people will have a CEO, COO and CPO :D
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: MEAVO Member since: Nov 12, 2018
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  4. Gordon - Commercial Finance

    Gordon - Commercial Finance UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Varies from company to company, and really doesn't matter.
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Gordon - Commercial Finance Member since: Jun 26, 2017
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  5. Ian J

    Ian J Factoring Specialist Full Member - Verified Business

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    What's in a name?

    In my industry the factoring companies employ what used to be called salesmen but nowadays they are regional managers, regional sales directors, business development managers or business development executives but to us oldies they are still all just salesmen
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Ian J Member since: Nov 6, 2004
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  6. Bob Morgan

    Bob Morgan UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    Even C3PO!
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Bob Morgan Member since: Apr 15, 2018
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  7. Bob Morgan

    Bob Morgan UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    It means nothing! At one firm of Housemongers I deal with, everyone seems to have the title 'Vice President!' - Yet none of them is allowed to make a decision!
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Bob Morgan Member since: Apr 15, 2018
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  8. Gordon - Commercial Finance

    Gordon - Commercial Finance UKBF Ace Free Member

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    That's because they are only the president of their own vices.
    In the American banks where I spent a lot of my career, all the highers ups were VPs, and I always found it funny that when they were promoted, it wasn't to "president" as would be the logical progression or next step...they would be promoted to EDs (Executive Director)! What a load of guff.
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Gordon - Commercial Finance Member since: Jun 26, 2017
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  9. NickGrogan

    NickGrogan UKBF Ace Full Member

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    Varies company to company, so totally irrelevant.

    Only 9 more posts and you can start posting links.
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: NickGrogan Member since: Nov 15, 2012
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  10. Mark T Jones

    Mark T Jones UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    Another bizarrely corporate question on a small business forum. Still, it gets the post count up;)

    They are just words - titles frequently given to employees who are Ok, but don't merit a promotion (or are stupid enough to believe that a new title is career progression)

    The 'status' of the title will vary from one organisation to another.
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Mark T Jones Member since: Nov 4, 2015
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  11. Newchodge

    Newchodge UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    Then you have the civil service

    Clerical Assistant
    Clerical Officer
    Executive Officer
    Higher Executive Officer
    and the highest post
    Secretary
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  12. Noah

    Noah UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Years ago, my father came back from work moaning about being a Manager now when he was a Supervisor before, and this being done to all the other Supervisors. I asked him what had changed; he said "the title on my door".

    Just last night I was laughing at a worker suffering title inflation at the bank - promoted from Vice President (utterly devalued) to Director (no, not a board position) - but it does come with a timeshare PA!

    In summary : It's all ********.
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Noah Member since: Sep 1, 2009
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  13. Ian J

    Ian J Factoring Specialist Full Member - Verified Business

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    My late father was a senior civil servant and he once told me that in the Civil Service if they can no longer promote long standing civil servants they give them a medal instead.

    I reminded him of that when I accompanied him to Buckingham Palace to receive his honour
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Ian J Member since: Nov 6, 2004
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  14. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    People get promoted to a level of incompetence.

    The theory being you move up the ladder until you can’t do the job anymore.

    But to answer the question posed: nobody cares. Call yourself whatever you want. Your job description will determine what you do not what you are called.
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  15. paulears

    paulears UKBF Big Shot Full Member

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    My son used to be a sales executive, much posher than salesman. The bosses seem to like CEO now, I note. Sometimes a new title is better than a pay rise to some people. As a sole trader, I guess I should call myself proprietor, but on forms I call myself a production manager, which is what I do - but I don't manage anyone at all, bar me.
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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  16. Mark T Jones

    Mark T Jones UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    In my briefish stint of employment (about 7 years) my job titles were trainee rep, rep, senior rep, area manager and account executive

    Trainee was handy when you ****ed up. Other than that the jobs were essentially the same
     
    Posted: Nov 20, 2018 By: Mark T Jones Member since: Nov 4, 2015
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