What do you think is the average cost of buying UK website design.

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  1. CarlosRealOnline

    CarlosRealOnline UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I'm not going to engage in an in-depth seo discussion but if you did a split test where you kept as many of the variables as possible the same, the hand coded site would rank higher every time, we know this because we have tested and tested this theory. Not to mention the fact that a google engineer let this slip shortly after the google panda update.

    If you really wanted to get into it you could even talk about the page load time, another ranking factor, which has proved to be slower on cms platform because of the additional server requests that it has to make.
     
    Posted: Apr 16, 2013 By: CarlosRealOnline Member since: Apr 15, 2013
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  2. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    Whilst I agree that a poorly configured CMS can cause problems I can't see how a hand coded blog or ecommerce site can be any faster or be better than an optimised CMS.

    I've got a wordpress site that is really trimmed down and speed tests show it loading in under 1 second.

    What exactly did the gogole engineer let slip? Did he say a hand coded site will rank higher than any CMS or just that speed of loading is a ranking signal?
     
    Posted: Apr 16, 2013 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  3. codedcreations

    codedcreations UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    £500.00, I would charge between £500.00 and £1000.00 per day for design and development and my proposals normally consist of detailed breakdowns of around 10 -20 page documents out lining clearly what is involved, projects delivery and time scales and even wire frames some of these quotes are very cheep and could be lost because of that exact reason.
     
    Posted: Apr 16, 2013 By: codedcreations Member since: Apr 16, 2013
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  4. NineteenPounds

    NineteenPounds UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    What we do is a bit extreme in terms of our one page website design cost.

    But from the info we gather in the mid-market is that a lot of companies are quoting around £750 and closing clients at around £500.
     
    Posted: Apr 16, 2013 By: NineteenPounds Member since: Apr 12, 2013
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  5. ITsoldUK

    ITsoldUK UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    Good point.

    Forgot about multi role agencies...

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    Posted: Apr 16, 2013 By: ITsoldUK Member since: Sep 15, 2011
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  6. ITsoldUK

    ITsoldUK UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    Whoa there cowboy...thought we were on a forum where could discuss???

    I did see your post AND read it hence my point.

    Enlighten me then...which aspect of SEO is easier?

    I can install Yoast and start building content in under 5 minutes...

    And chill. No offence is ever intended but if it was trust me you would know ;)

    Sent from my GT-I9300 using UK Business Forums
     
    Posted: Apr 16, 2013 By: ITsoldUK Member since: Sep 15, 2011
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  7. astutiumRob

    astutiumRob UKBF Ace Full Member - Verified Business

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    Between $nothing and $lots

    Why would anyone want an "average" website ;)
     
    Posted: Apr 20, 2013 By: astutiumRob Member since: May 5, 2004
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  8. sb1design

    sb1design UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    [FONT=&quot]The price that companies charge for website design can vary greatly. I create websites up to 10 pages in size, for small businesses and sole traders for a flat rate fee of £150. I can do this, because I use Wordpress, and liaise closely with the client to choose a theme that meets their needs. I can then undertake simple customizations, and add plugins etc without the price increasing. If they want something larger and more bespoke, we discuss a higher price at the beginning of the project. I haven’t charged over £600 for a website for quite sometime however. The market has changed too much for that.[/FONT]
     
    Posted: Apr 24, 2013 By: sb1design Member since: Apr 24, 2013
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  9. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    I can never understand this. Wordpress is a CMS. The number of pages is irrelevant. Once you have the theme installed and configured the client can create as many pages and posts as they like.
     
    Posted: Apr 24, 2013 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  10. FIZIX Agency

    FIZIX Agency UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Psst... 1 post, deciding to reply to this particular thread, stating their rates.

    It was a "I'm cheap, 10 pages for £150" price drop ;)


    Anyway, it's a question without an answer. Price depends on who you are, what you do, your process, your values, how you work, your profile, who you work with etc.


    A company that mostly works with very small companies producing pretty standard websites using WP is going to be vastly different to a company who mainly work with larger companies or brands creating integrated campaigns.

    A company that mostly provides brochure websites and ecommerce sites built on Wordpress or Magento (insert other solutions here) is going to be vastly different to a company who mostly provides bespoke solutions.

    A company who has won awards like FWA's will likely have a profile (maybe not Razorfish but still have a profile) which will likely make them more expensive.

    In short, the industry is just far too broad and is getting broader and broader; so the question has no one answer.
     
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    Posted: Apr 24, 2013 By: FIZIX Agency Member since: Jul 9, 2012
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  11. wsiyorkshire

    wsiyorkshire UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Hi

    There is no right or wrong answer in broad terms, because a lot depends on the design, SEO, service and expertise that you are buying.

    I wrote a blog recently that discusses this subject, it was inspired by someone asking why their quotes ranged from a few £'00 to £12,000 for essentially the same spec

    If you Google "how much should I spend on a website" The blog post from WSI Yorkshire should be there or thereabouts still
     
    Posted: Aug 20, 2013 By: wsiyorkshire Member since: Oct 31, 2012
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  12. cnjim

    cnjim UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    The most we've paid for a website redesign is around £14k. The least we've paid for a small few page website is around £80. I know that there are designers that will work for every price in between :)

    Generally, I'd say £400-700 for a cheap and cheerful 3-5 page promo style website (ie no ecommerce, a contact form the most complex server side coding) is about right.
     
    Posted: Jan 14, 2014 By: cnjim Member since: Jan 14, 2014
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  13. ryedale

    ryedale Contributor Full Member - Verified Business

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    People's reaction to pricing always varies wildly

    It's always interesting to see how one person can view a quoted price for a site as horrific and the next client with a similar specification can view the same price as really competitive.
     
    Posted: Jan 14, 2014 By: ryedale Member since: Dec 17, 2013
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  14. JoshB92

    JoshB92 UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    I'm experimenting with providing 'pay what you want' web strategy and design services. It's interesting that there is sometimes little perceived value by some clients in what web designers (or any service business) do. I've had to be a lot more selective with the people I target and work with, but I enjoy being able to work on really rewarding projects, both job satisfaction wise and cash wise.
     
    Posted: Jan 14, 2014 By: JoshB92 Member since: May 17, 2012
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  15. ryedale

    ryedale Contributor Full Member - Verified Business

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    How are you finding the strategy is working so far out of interest - have you had jobs where the client has taken advantage or have they have kept to the good faith relationship?

    It's an interesting idea but with wages and rent to pay, don't think we could risk it
     
    Posted: Jan 14, 2014 By: ryedale Member since: Dec 17, 2013
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  16. Alan

    Alan UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Just picking up on that.

    You could say that a CMS is a n-page website depending on the number of page designs rather than page content (which is up to the user).
    A typical Wordpress implementation may have a custom home page, a page layout, a posts layout, an archive/search list layout, and there may be a few more custom templates like contact page layouts. So base on different 'page' styles you have a typical 5 or 6 page website, that can take an infinite amount of content pages/posts

    http://codex.wordpress.org/images/1/18/Template_Hierarchy.png


    And the OP asks


    The problems with the question is
    1. most people don't buy website DESIGN as a stand alone product
    2. average is a mathematical concept that doesn't tell you a lot

    The problem with the answers are most people have answered their typical charge for a website BUILD.
     
    Posted: Jan 14, 2014 By: Alan Member since: Aug 16, 2011
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  17. JoshB92

    JoshB92 UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    It's been an interesting experience. If I had a lot more overhead it would be a no go without a decent cash buffer. I'm setting up the business so that I can travel and live around the world, which allows me to arbitrate the slower months slightly (less cash coming in means a couple of months in a cheaper location.)

    By and large I've been pleasantly surprised with the good faith arrangement. I'm careful who I take on, and it is fairly easy to weed out the something for nothing brigade. So far, for every project where a client pays less, there is one that balances that. What makes it worthwhile is being able to choose a couple of projects each month, and really over-deliver and provide a whole lot of value, rather than work on race to the bottom fixed price work.

    I think in future I'll move to a mixture of fixed price and pay what you want, but for now I'm continuing to experiment with this.
     
    Posted: Jan 15, 2014 By: JoshB92 Member since: May 17, 2012
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  18. Chris Ashdown

    Chris Ashdown UKBF Legend Free Member

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    To me I am suprised why people and companies go for total designer sites when the supply of outstanding shop in a box solutions are available for a few hundred pounds and are proven to work well, Maybe they need a designer to make a fancy looking home page which is simple to any designer but all other features are already built in for by far most companies

    I am not talking about the Major high street shops but the companies with say turnovers from a few hundred to a few million

    I still feel open source software is fine to start with but quickly gets added to with different add ons from different suppliers and after a while you are forced to stay with the original designer as they are the only people who can understand what they have done and it would be a minefield to any new person looking at it
     
    Posted: Jan 15, 2014 By: Chris Ashdown Member since: Dec 7, 2003
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  19. Alan

    Alan UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Chris, for e-commerce you are right, there is much sense in any one starting an online shop in cutting their teeth with Shopify, Volusion, BluePark etc
    or even Amazon or Ebay.

    Too many people think that 'owning' their own e-shop is important rather than renting it.

    But e-shops are only part of the website equation, and hence why the OP's question about average price is flawed.

    There is no such thing as an average site, to have a meaningful conversation we would need to categorise e.g.
    1. basic 4 or 5 page brochure site with contact page (what most have been talking about in the £500 range)
    2. Online Booking sites
    3. e-commerce sites
    4. Price comparison sites, or other aggregators
    5. online casinos
    6. etc
     
    Posted: Jan 15, 2014 By: Alan Member since: Aug 16, 2011
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