Treating outdoor wood?

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  1. Zeal

    Zeal UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Hey guys,

    Buying some untreated shiplap (white shiplap) to complete a playhouse.
    What's the best method to 'treat' the wood. (protect it from the weather).

    Also planning on painting it too... paint it first or after it's been 'protected'?


    Cheers! :)
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: Zeal Member since: Oct 3, 2009
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  2. estwig

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    Shiplap normally comes tanalised, pressure treated. Although I'm not sure what white shiplap is, never heard of it??

    Do you mean tongue and groove?? Does it slot together or overlap??
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  3. dingbat

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    You can buy preservative at any DIY place but you're better off buying pre-treated wood as it will be fully soaked in preservative.
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: dingbat Member since: Nov 28, 2006
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  4. KM-Tiger

    KM-Tiger UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Unless you buy pressure treated (tanalised) it's a question of when not if it rots.

    You can extend that time by using one of the clear wood preservers, but it's really hard to get enough on, particularly to any end grain, and then there is a wait before you can paint it.
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: KM-Tiger Member since: Aug 10, 2003
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  5. vvaannmmaann

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    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: vvaannmmaann Member since: Nov 6, 2007
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  6. Zeal

    Zeal UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Shiplap is normally found on sheds, fences, summer houses.

    [​IMG]

    dingbat, tiger: I know you can buy the treated (tantalised) shiplap. But mine cost me less then 95p p/metre (can't moan it's not treated).

    After posting, I did come across some Ronseal 'stuff' - £25 p/5ltr (reasonable I think). I knew there was something there... but no idea what the "real name" for it was.


    Tiger, if it's pretty hard to get into the grain... I guess it'll be easier coating it before I start hammering away?
     
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    if its white wood take it to travis perkings and have it pressure treated ,they do this at some branches, or get oak or chestnut much better ,the paint on 5star wood preserve will do something but not a lot ,however a good paint will seal it up no bother
     
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  8. estwig

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    That's a picture of tongue and groove, it has a tongue and a groove.

    Paint is very difficult to advise on, how long is a piece of string, Sikkens is about the best, but at roughly £120.00 a gallon, it might be a bit too much. The Ronseal stuff will be fine, don't be shy, slap lots on!
     
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  9. Alpha

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    No thats definitely shiplap. tongue and groove doesnt have the 'shaped' side.
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: Alpha Member since: Feb 16, 2004
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  10. estwig

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    I think your right, I'm getting my shiplap, tongue and groove and feather edge, mixed up. A couple of months off the tools and it all goes to pot!!

    :)
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  11. KM-Tiger

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    I know it's a while since you were on the tools, but you are wrong. The picture is shiplap, tongue and groove would look like this:
    [​IMG]
    It is sometimes Vee'd on the join as well and known as TG&V to timber suppliers.

    If you can cut them to length first you could stand the ends in a bucket of wood preserver and it would really soak in. A few hours then turn them over and do the other end.
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: KM-Tiger Member since: Aug 10, 2003
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  12. estwig

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    Yes yes yes, I got the idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I got me timber all mixed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In future I will stick to questions about SEO, there easy!!!

    ;)
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  13. KM-Tiger

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    Sorry, didn't see your post, didn't mean to rub it in!
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: KM-Tiger Member since: Aug 10, 2003
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  14. estwig

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    Fibber!!!!

    :p:p
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  15. crossdaz

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    You are not wrong there ;)

    RE: preserving and painting - as others have said it ought to be pre-treated to some extent and most of the woodstains/wood colours on the market are pretty good these days.

    Sickens is good, as has been mentioned, but any proprietary brand will be ok. 'Moisture vapour permeable' or 'micro-porous' finishes are best because they allow the timber to breath.
    The trick is to get plenty into the end-grains as that's where the moisture gets in - and keep up to it. Re-treat it every couple of years and it should last for ages.

    :) Sheds are a lot more interesting than seo - don't you think? :cool:
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: crossdaz Member since: Sep 3, 2008
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  16. KM-Tiger

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    Yeah, there are shed-loads of ways of preserving your ranking in the SERPS.

    SEO: Shed Exterior Optimiser?

    /gets his coat ...
     
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  17. Zeal

    Zeal UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    aha Tiger! (well... I laughed)


    Cheers chaps! Much appreciated for your help :)
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: Zeal Member since: Oct 3, 2009
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  18. Matt1959

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    although I work with wood and refinishing, I struggle with all the modern finishes for exterior timber. My instinct would be to use soemthing that soaks in to the wood like creosote rather than lies on top like paint or these treatments that form an actual finish. With stuff that soaks in, you can keep feeding it every year or so whereas with using an actual finish, you're just building up a skin on the wood that will flake off.
     
    Posted: Jun 2, 2010 By: Matt1959 Member since: Sep 8, 2006
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  19. vvaannmmaann

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    Posted: Jun 3, 2010 By: vvaannmmaann Member since: Nov 6, 2007
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  20. Matt1959

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    lol, love that answer vannnmannn:)
     
    Posted: Jun 3, 2010 By: Matt1959 Member since: Sep 8, 2006
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