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The 10 o'clock rule

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  1. HaroldHoffman

    HaroldHoffman UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Hi
    Is there anyone hear that is running a pub, club, bar or restaurant that has been ordered to close by 10pm?

    If so how has it effected you? Have you seen a big reduction of not in customers and takings?

    Thanks
    HH
     
    Posted: Oct 15, 2020 By: HaroldHoffman Member since: Oct 15, 2020
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  2. simon field

    simon field UKBF Big Shot Full Member - Verified Business

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    Nobody I know of on here runs a pub.

    Why do you ask?
     
    Posted: Oct 15, 2020 By: simon field Member since: Feb 4, 2011
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  3. Sam Kumar

    Sam Kumar UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Not an owner but definitely there is reduction in customer count on pubs. at least by 30% .
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: Sam Kumar Member since: Oct 11, 2020
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  4. Mark T Jones

    Mark T Jones UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    I work (used to work?) extensively in this sector

    The impact of 10.00PM closing is extremely varied.

    A small, independent restaurant client is fully booked way into 2021 and turning enquiries away.

    My local pub sees it as an opportunity to get rid of their few late stragglers and close early, with minimal impact on takings.

    At the other end of the scale, anything city cetre, particularly when reliant on students, is being hit very hard.
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: Mark T Jones Member since: Nov 4, 2015
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  5. Paul Norman

    Paul Norman UKBF Ace Free Member

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    As Mark says, it depends.

    For some city centre pubs this is big. A lot of customers arrive at 10 and order a late meal and some drinks.

    For some pubs it will have a minor impact.

    For my local pub in the village it will make no difference at all. They didn't make it through the lock down and it is all boarded up.
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: Paul Norman Member since: Apr 8, 2010
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  6. Alison Moore

    Alison Moore UKBF Enthusiast Full Member

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    Most pubs I go to these days, stop serving food at 9am and start tidying around you by 10.30pm as they want to close up and go home, so I can't see the 10pm deadline is a major issue for them. Before 24 hour drinking, pubs used to close at 11pm anyway, so it's only an hour earlier. Party towns and cities will have a whole different perspective on the restrictions... however having lived directly opposite a pub in such a place for the past 8 years, anything that stops the incessant night fights and shouting has to be a good thing, especially at the moment.
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: Alison Moore Member since: Aug 4, 2016
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  7. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Rather than have a night fight perhaps get some water pistols and fight that way.

    Oh you mean the people opposite? Sorry.

    Seriously, my local pub doesn't seem to make a lot of difference. Its the only pub in the village and rather than people straggling out later they straggle out earlier.
    Get in their cars and drive off.
    It wasn't terribly busy before all this.
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  8. IWW Limited

    IWW Limited UKBF Contributor Full Member

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    It looks like Martson's are planning on letting over 2,100 staff go.

    I'm surprised that if it is minimal impact on takings for some pubs, why not shut at 10pm pre-covid?
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: IWW Limited Member since: Oct 16, 2020
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  9. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    If some shut at 10 and some 11 - which would you choose to go to for a night out?
    When there's a choice people may choose differently than when it makes no difference.
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  10. Newchodge

    Newchodge UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    Because the others didn't.

    The big advantage of set licensing hours was that no business had an advantage over the others by staying open later. But once there is a choice it is difficult for one pub to shut when others around were open.
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  11. Mark T Jones

    Mark T Jones UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    The likes of Marston and M & B will keep pretty detailed metrics - but will also probably work across the brand, so if the brand value is to stay open til midnight they must all do so.

    Independents will be a bit more flexible

    Also, their troubles will stem from lockdown and distancing more than 10.00 PM closing
     
    Posted: Oct 16, 2020 By: Mark T Jones Member since: Nov 4, 2015
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  12. Naheed Mir

    Naheed Mir UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Yes, running a pub, club, bar, or restaurant that has to be close by 10 pm is adversely affected because numerous customers come to them late at night and ask for meals, etc. However, it has an advantage that it will help stop the transfer of the COVID-19 virus in bars and restaurants.
     
    Posted: Oct 17, 2020 at 6:30 PM By: Naheed Mir Member since: Aug 10, 2020
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  13. Newchodge

    Newchodge UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    How, specifically, will 10.00 closing help stop the transfer of the COVID-19 virus in bars and restaurants? As opposed, fpor example, to closing at 9.30 or 11.00?
     
    Posted: Oct 18, 2020 at 8:09 AM By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  14. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    9.30 would be better.
    Ideal would be to not have the place open but they are not going down that route this weekend.

    Less contact with others, less chance of passing virus on or getting it. Presuming you do not get it from a surface.
     
    Posted: Oct 18, 2020 at 9:20 AM By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  15. simon field

    simon field UKBF Big Shot Full Member - Verified Business

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    More chance of fast binge drinking and having a good time earlier in the day then going back to Fred’s house for a few tinnies and a nice fat spliff!

    Everyone knows that the naughty virus sleeps during the day and wakes up at 10pm exactly to prowl the streets looking to infect the unwitting
     
    Posted: Oct 18, 2020 at 9:54 PM By: simon field Member since: Feb 4, 2011
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  16. Interestedobserver

    Interestedobserver UKBF Ace Free Member

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    There was a leaked report from the scientists advising the Government last week that suggested that the 10pm curfew would have minimal impact on controlling infections

    Those in hospitality jumped on this and claimed the science wasn't behind the 10pm curfew etc

    What they failed to grasp was that the exact same leaked report and science was actually suggesting a full lockdown of pubs and restaurants was needed to bring the rate of infections down significantly

    So the very science hospitality leaders wanted to use to complain against 10pm curfews was in fact suggesting 10pm curfews weren't enough to make an impact!

    So being honest 10pm curfews are the lesser of two evils for hospitality. And the Govt had actually done hospitality a favour by not just closing down everything in full as the science was suggesting they should

    As someone said above less people are going out to pubs and restaurants regardless of closing times now and so many in the hospitality industry actually want to be in Tier 3 so they can just shut and get more financial support

    I personally feel hospitality is not compatible with Covid and social distancing. There will need to be a big reset. And undoubtedly many previously viable businesses will not be viable from now on in the new normal. Not counting the many businesses in the industry that weren't even viable in the normal world

    Hospitality and Social Distancing are clearly polar opposites sadly
     
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2020 at 8:12 AM
    Posted: Oct 19, 2020 at 7:43 AM By: Interestedobserver Member since: Apr 15, 2020
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  17. MikeJ

    MikeJ UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    It's your own fault for marrying him...
     
    Posted: Oct 19, 2020 at 8:09 AM By: MikeJ Member since: Jan 15, 2008
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  18. Mark T Jones

    Mark T Jones UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    wow! You’re a grown up, evidently quite intelligent and you still don’t get it?

    10.00pm isn’t a magical number, it’s a line in the sand. Gathering of 6 people isn’t a magical number, it’s a quantifiable line in the sand

    the speed limit on a single carriageway A road is 60 mph. You won’t die in a car crash if you drive at 65. You might be very unsafe driving at 55. 60 is just a measurable line in the sand to save people from their own or others’ poor judgement

    fortunately a large part of the motoring public gave grasped the concept

    10.00 pm is specifically aimed at students and youths who have shown over centuries that their will or ability to follow guidelines plummets as things get later

    2 things we now know for sure

    1. the public absolutely can’t be relied on to self regulate or exercise common sense
    2. The minute you try to build in flexibility there will be a loud chorus of objections that it’s confusing or unfair
     
    Posted: Oct 19, 2020 at 9:30 AM By: Mark T Jones Member since: Nov 4, 2015
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