Tesco's Fish - Avoid

[quikshop]

I should say that I received a call from Tesco customer services call centre on Friday. It was a "the appropriate people will be reminded of the importance of hygiene" type call.

I guess that's all that can be expected, Tesco's are not to blame for the actions of one member of staff but I would have thought their response would have been more than a half-a!sed scripted apology call.

I guess every little bit doesn't help after all

 

[LicensedToTrade]

I should say that I received a call from Tesco customer services call centre on Friday. It was a "the appropriate people will be reminded of the importance of hygiene" type call.

I guess that's all that can be expected, Tesco's are not to blame for the actions of one member of staff but I would have thought their response would have been more than a half-a!sed scripted apology call.

I guess every little bit doesn't help after all

I'm certainly surprised at that low key response.

 

Two key things, can you link or reference the source of this? secondly is the constant use of the word 'American'. This study is based on the American market where some additives are allowed that are not allowed in the UK.

yep its an american source,why don't you believe it happens in the uk.?

surely the evidence of the crap they put in ready and processed meals is overwhelming.?

Earl

 

[LicensedToTrade]

yep its an american source,why don't you believe it happens in the uk.?

surely the evidence of the crap they put in ready and processed meals is overwhelming.?

Earl

There are very different rules in the UK compared to the US as far as food additives go so to base our understanding of the UK food market by looking at a report on the US market would be like using an AMA report on chalk to help us find out about cheese. Oh by the way, what is the source?

 

[Stephen Berry]

Tesco's are not to blame for the actions of one member of staff

yes they are.

I would agree with what was previously said - asking to see the manager immediately would have been the right call.

Mrs B and I were in a restaurant recently, seated where we can see through to the open plan kitchen. A chef sneezed over the grill. I asked for the manager, explained what I saw and said that surely everything on that grill needed to be thrown away immediately (even if the high temperatures should kill off anything in the snot!). 10/10 to the manager - everything went, she went to pains to point out that telling her immediately was the right thing etc etc etc. With that response, I'd eat there again (she also said that the chef was 'soon to leave us' - I think she meant 'the restaurant' rather than 'this planet').

 

[LicensedToTrade]

(she also said that the chef was 'soon to leave us' - I think she meant 'the restaurant' rather than 'this planet').

Guess who was on the menu the next night?

 

[office man]

You cannot blame Tesco as a company for the criminal act of ONE employee, and posting that accusation on the whole company on a public forum is also out of order. The wording of your post implies that Tesco's fish in every store should not be purchased.

I'd be very careful with posts like that i can't think the likes of Tesco would take too kindly to it - i would would also think that YOU might be in a bit of a legal pickle yourself for such a post????

There could be better ways to word what you saw without blaming Tesco themselves (who must employ thousands and thousands of people - some of which might be idiots)

 

[LicensedToTrade]

You cannot blame Tesco as a company for the criminal act of ONE employee, and posting that accusation on the whole company on a public forum is also out of order. The wording of your post implies that Tesco's fish in every store should not be purchased.

I'd be very careful with posts like that i can't think the likes of Tesco would take too kindly to it - i would would also think that YOU might be in a bit of a legal pickle yourself for such a post????

There could be better ways to word what you saw without blaming Tesco themselves (who must employ thousands and thousands of people - some of which might be idiots)

Why would he be in hot water for posting something that he witnessed? The title 'Tesco's Fish - Avoid' is an opinion, not a statement of fact, one which the OP is entitled to.

 

[office man]

He doesn't imply the problem is at one branch he actually says 'Tesco' - i would be very keen to hear the legal members take on the 'hot water level' of his post. you can also gage from the other posts that how what he witnessed was handled, its been mentioned already that he should have addressed this at the time - the member have staff would have been appropriately dealt with and the company would have apologised to the customer.
How do we know this even happened now.

PS We had Sea bass from Tesco on Friday night which was half price, every little helps.....

 

[quikshop]

Mrs B and I were in a restaurant recently, seated where we can see through to the open plan kitchen. A chef sneezed over the grill. I asked for the manager, explained what I saw and said that surely everything on that grill needed to be thrown away immediately (even if the high temperatures should kill off anything in the snot!). 10/10 to the manager - everything went

Like you and Mrs B, me and Mrs D are the first to raise an issue in a restaurant if anything untoward happens but I suspect that's because our expectations of the quality of service are that much higher.

I do not have any real expecations of the quality of service in a super market, and as we've been buying fresh meat and veg from local butchers and farm shops for some time I found the spitting disgusting and for a while outrageous but do I really care?? Only on some level where I feel I ought to make an issue of it.

For sure if we still bought our fresh food from super markets and perhaps that particular branch of Tesco then I would have been incandescent

 

[quikshop]

He doesn't imply the problem is at one branch he actually says 'Tesco'

I didn't imply anything, what you read into it is your business. Perhaps you should read my posts again and quote anything in context that is libelous?

Or do you believe that acts of gross behaviour by an employee of a leading FTSE 100 company shouldn't be discussed in a public business forum?

you can also gage from the other posts that how what he witnessed was handled, its been mentioned already that he should have addressed this at the time

Interesting that you seek to deflect the gross actions of a Tesco employee with how I reacted.

As far as I am concerned my interest in what happened subsided the same evening of my original post. Like I've just said in my previous post, my expectations of super markets are not high enough for me to respond in any other way.

How do we know this even happened now.

Ignoring your childish implication, I'm sure Tesco will have the actions of their employee on CCTV; they monitor pretty much everything that goes on in their stores.

 

You cannot blame Tesco as a company for the criminal act of ONE employee, and posting that accusation on the whole company on a public forum is also out of order. The wording of your post implies that Tesco's fish in every store should not be purchased.

Well that would be my advice as many of there fish stocks are several months old before being offered for sale to the public ,having been stored in a frozen condition sometimes for up to a year.

Now call me old fashioned but I get my fish fresh off the boats.

Earl

 

[quikshop]

Now call me old fashioned but I get my fish fresh off the boats.

You go out on a trawler or nick the fish as they dock

I used to be a big fan of fish finger butties until I found out that the contents of fish fingers is fish 'bulk' caught on the other side of the World and sold to the UK factory in frozen blocks of pulped fish bits...

I'm trying not to remember Jamie Oliver's programme about how Danish bacon is produced

 

You go out on a trawler or nick the fish as they dock

Just a short trip from where I live.

http://www.seewhitstable.com/Whitstable_Harbour.html

Earl

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

The food industry routinely uses 2,000 different food additives in their processed creations, but the total number of available additives has been estimated at nearly 8,000.
These include vitamins, minerals, emulsifiers, buffers, artificial flavorings and colorings, and enormous amounts of the two biggies -- salt and sugar.
The average American eats nearly 150 pounds of food additives each YEAR!
This is broken down as follows:
* 130 pounds of sugar
* 10-15 pounds of salt
* 5-10 pounds of "enriched" vitamins, flavors, preservatives and colored dyes
Some people in the world don't even consume 150 pounds of FOOD in a year--and yet the average American sucks down that much in chemicals alone.
Now, there's one big, glaring problem here and it's this:
Your body isn't designed to ingest 150 pounds of additives (see the list above).
Or even ONE pound.
The human body doesn't have a way to deal with these chemicals and it cannot metabolize them. So they end up as acidic wastes, accumulating in your blood, organs and tissues and making you toxic, sick and fat. The liver and kidneys simply can't handle that much poison.

What a load of absolute nonsense. Since when are salt and sugar 'chemicals' and 'poison'?

They're natural substances, and most of the 'additives' are natural substances, too. They aren't toxic and there's no real reason why they should cause any damage or be harmful to the body. Articles like this use words such as 'chemicals' as a scare tactic. In reality, every form of food we eat (even fruit and vegetables) are made up entirely of chemicals.

And then there's the old tactic of using a much longer time-scale to make quantities seem more scary. I'm surprised they didn't bump it up and claim that we eat 'a quarter of a ton of salt' over half a century.

 

[LicensedToTrade]

Now I have visions of old fishermen trying to defend their catch with oars from Earl.

 

What a load of absolute nonsense. Since when are salt and sugar 'chemicals' and 'poison'?

They're natural substances, and most of the 'additives' are natural substances, too. They aren't toxic and there's no real reason why they should cause any damage or be harmful to the body. Articles like this use words such as 'chemicals' as a scare tactic. In reality, every form of food we eat (even fruit and vegetables) are made up entirely of chemicals.

And then there's the old tactic of using a much longer time-scale to make quantities seem more scary. I'm surprised they didn't bump it up and claim that we eat 'a quarter of a ton of salt' over half a century.

Biggest killer in the west heart failure.

http://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/prevention/healthy-eating/salt.aspx

Earl

 

[thetime22]

I respect you enough to avoid Tesco fish. Done and done!

 

[Parthelan]

They're natural substances, and most of the 'additives' are natural substances, too. They aren't toxic and there's no real reason why they should cause any damage or be harmful to the body.
And then there's the old tactic of using a much longer time-scale to make quantities seem more scary. I'm surprised they didn't bump it up and claim that we eat 'a quarter of a ton of salt' over half a century.

You dont need much salt for it to be deadly, as this couple found out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/404667.stm

 

[Tom McClelland]

What a load of absolute nonsense. Since when are salt and sugar 'chemicals' and 'poison'?

They're natural substances, and most of the 'additives' are natural substances, too. They aren't toxic and there's no real reason why they should cause any damage or be harmful to the body. Articles like this use words such as 'chemicals' as a scare tactic. In reality, every form of food we eat (even fruit and vegetables) are made up entirely of chemicals.

And then there's the old tactic of using a much longer time-scale to make quantities seem more scary. I'm surprised they didn't bump it up and claim that we eat 'a quarter of a ton of salt' over half a century.

SirEarl would sign Penn and Teller's "Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide" petition in a heartbeat. It is a toxic substance that kills children if they're exposed to even quite a small quantity of it. It is used in HUGE quantities by the nuclear and processed food industries....etc, etc, etc.

 

SirEarl would sign Penn and Teller's "Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide" petition in a heartbeat. It is a toxic substance that kills children if they're exposed to even quite a small quantity of it. It is used in HUGE quantities by the nuclear and processed food industries....etc, etc, etc.

To true should only be usede for washing and then at a distance.

And be very carefull not to get any over your head as this can result in instant death.

And for gods sake don't ever drink the stuff.

Earl

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Biggest killer in the west heart failure.

http://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-health/prevention/healthy-eating/salt.aspx

Earl

If you don't take in enough salt, it can also kill you. Can you see why claiming it as a dangerous substance is just absurd? ANYTHING is dangerous in too high a quantity - even water.

I also suspect that the creator of that article doesn't actually know how or why these additives are supposedly 'poisonous' or 'toxic'. They just see 'additives' or 'E-numbers' and automatically presume they're bad for you. It's this sort of thing which adds to the increasingly growing amount of misinformation on the subject.

 

[LicensedToTrade]

If you don't take in enough salt, it can also kill you. Can you see why claiming it as a dangerous substance is just absurd? ANYTHING is dangerous in too high a quantity - even water.

I also suspect that the creator of that article doesn't actually know how or why these additives are supposedly 'poisonous' or 'toxic'. They just see 'additives' or 'E-numbers' and automatically presume they're bad for you. It's this sort of thing which adds to the increasingly growing amount of misinformation on the subject.

Like I said earlier in the thread, 'E numbers' is just a way of categorising food additives and is evidence that they have been tested, it doesn't mean they are dangerous.

A few scary ones (not):

E120: A deadly man made food colouring derived from the gates of hell? No, a colour derived from Coccus cacti insects.

E322: Lecithine, a deadly chemical discovered inside a fallen asteroid? No it comes from soya beans and chicken eggs.

E901: The most dangerous of all, forged in the fires of mordor? No it's bees wax made by err.... bees.

E966: An incredibly harmful substance taken from the tips of arrows of the natives from the island of coco-puko-loca? No it's Lactitol, the sugar found in milk.

 

[Ashley_Price]

I had to go into Tesco Lewes (the store the OP was referring to) on Saturday for the first time in over 10 years. Thankfully I didn't have to purchase anything and made it out unscathed.

 

Like I said earlier in the thread, 'E numbers' is just a way of categorising food additives and is evidence that they have been tested, it doesn't mean they are dangerous.

A few scary ones (not):

E120: A deadly man made food colouring derived from the gates of hell? No, a colour derived from Coccus cacti insects.

E322: Lecithine, a deadly chemical discovered inside a fallen asteroid? No it comes from soya beans and chicken eggs.

E901: The most dangerous of all, forged in the fires of mordor? No it's bees wax made by err.... bees.

E966: An incredibly harmful substance taken from the tips of arrows of the natives from the island of coco-puko-loca? No it's Lactitol, the sugar found in milk.

No idea why you want to die young .?:|

But its your choice.

E920 duck feathers or human hair used to make bread rise.

Watch the video in full.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00yrvhg/The_Big_Fat_Truth_about_Low_Fat_Foods/

Earl

 

[LicensedToTrade]

No idea why you want to die young .?:|

But its your choice.

E920 duck feathers or human hair used to make bread rise.

Watch the video in full.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00yrvhg/The_Big_Fat_Truth_about_Low_Fat_Foods/

Earl

That's an hour long and I aint watching that. E920 is a protein derived essential amino acid that yes, can be sourced from animal hair, human hair or in fact ANYTHING that contains protein including insect. The essential part indicates that this is something present in all of us and is required for correct function. So yes it can be used to stabilise bread but it is present in our bodies anyway and there is no RDA or proven side effects.

 

That's an hour long and I aint watching that. E920 is a protein derived essential amino acid that yes, can be sourced from animal hair, human hair or in fact ANYTHING that contains protein including insect. The essential part indicates that this is something present in all of us and is required for correct function. So yes it can be used to stabilise bread but it is present in our bodies anyway and there is no RDA or proven side effects.

Can't see Tesco or Asda on Liz's shopping list.?

http://www.royalwarrant.org/directo...=6&pageSize=10&startAt=0&query=&search_btn=Go

Earl

 

[LicensedToTrade]

Can't see Tesco or Asda on Liz's shopping list.?

http://www.royalwarrant.org/directo...=6&pageSize=10&startAt=0&query=&search_btn=Go

Earl

Ah, the royals are different. After centuries of interbreeding their DNA has become so fragile that even so much of a drop of E920 would see them turn into a puddle of goop. Prince Phillip smelt a bit of riboflavin once and that is why his face looks like that.

 

Ah, the royals are different. After centuries of interbreeding their DNA has become so fragile that even so much of a drop of E920 would see them turn into a puddle of goop. Prince Phillip smelt a bit of riboflavin once and that is why his face looks like that.

Oh silly me and I thought it might have a tad to do with him being 90.:|

Earl

 

[Mike W]

Like you and Mrs B, me and Mrs D are the first to raise an issue in a restaurant if anything untoward happens...

I'm waiting for Mr & Mrs A and C before I say a word

Every little helps

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

E920 duck feathers or human hair used to make bread rise.

E920 is L-Cysteine, which, as LicensedToTrade said, is an essential amino acid.

In fact, people buy it in bulk for the purposes of improving their health, as it is known as an antioxidant.

What about these scary E-numbers, though?

E162

E300

E101

Oh wait, they're just beetroot juice, vitamin C and vitamin B2 respectively.

You better watch out, Earl. You don't want to be eating E-numbers and doing something silly like improving your health or anything.

 

E920 is L-Cysteine, which, as LicensedToTrade said, is an essential amino acid.

In fact, people buy it in bulk for the purposes of improving their health, as it is known as an antioxidant.

What about these scary E-numbers, though?

E162

E300

E101

Oh wait, they're just beetroot juice, vitamin C and vitamin B2 respectively.

You better watch out, Earl. You don't want to be eating E-numbers and doing something silly like improving your health or anything.

Well if I can't convince you you are eating crap in supermarket meals .:|

Does not the revolting flavour give you a clue.?

Earl

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Well if I can't convince you you are eating crap in supermarket meals .:|

Does not the revolting flavour give you a clue.?

Earl

Oh, no doubt at all that it's crap. Poor quality, not nutritious and full of empty calories which will lead to weight gain and a lack of energy.

However, they aren't remotely 'toxic' or 'poisonous' and they're perfectly fine to eat in reasonable amounts.

It isn't a case of these products damaging your health in the long-term (apart from an over in-take of salt and saturated fat if you eat too much). It's more that a diet of healthier food (such as fruits, vegetables and lean proteins) would be MUCH better for you and improve your health overall.

 

However, they aren't remotely 'toxic' or 'poisonous' and they're perfectly fine to eat in reasonable amounts.

It isn't a case of these products damaging your health in the long-term

Can't agree with that.

http://www.livingwithrheumatoidarthritis.com/Table-Salt.html

Earl

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Can't agree with that.

http://www.livingwithrheumatoidarthritis.com/Table-Salt.html

Earl

You have a habit for seeking out the most incorrect information on the web which has been written by people who have absolutely NO idea what they're talking about.

Salt IS sodium chloride. It is the sodium chloride which is used by your body. It cannot be a different version of the same chemical compound. The notion that sodium chloride is 'the unnatural form of salt' is just beyond moronic.

Table salt has everything in common with sea salt as they're both made of sodium chloride. The only difference is that sea salt includes small quantities of minerals (which are found in abundance in other foods).

Add to this the toxic additives used in table salt. Iodine and fluoride we have been convinced into believing are necessary to maintain health. Calcium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, and aluminum hydroxide are often added to improve the ability of table salt to pour. Aluminum in table salt is a light alloy that deposits into your brain, believed to be a potential cause of Alzheimer's disease.

Fluoride - Tests have shown that it has no connection with any kind of bodily damage (apart from in very high doses). It also improves dental health.

Iodine - This IS an essential chemical which the body needs. A lack of it can cause an underdeveloped thyroid and mental retardation in children.

Toxic additives? Rubbish. In fact, table salt is pretty much entirely pure sodium chloride, and is more pure than sea salt.

Have you even looked at the source of that page? A quick search shows that the information is derived from this sales page which is trying to sell some kind of fancy salt. With utterly ridiculous content such as this:

The salt's unique structure also stores vibrational energy. All of the crystal salt's inherent minerals and trace elements are available in colloidal form -- meaning they are so small your cells can readily absorb them.



The Crystal Salt from the Himalayas does not burden your body as other salts do. It is very difficult for your body to absorb too much crystal salt since there are powerful and effective feedback loops that regulate this process. Natural crystal salt always promotes a healthy balance and does not contribute to high blood pressure like typical table salt.


Crystal Salt's array of elements forms a compound in which each molecule is inter-connected. The connectedness allows the vibrational component of the 84 trace elements present in the salt to be in harmony with each other and adds to the ability to promote a healthy balance. When it comes to the power of natural salt, nothing compares to Himalayan Crystal Salt.

 

[LicensedToTrade]

Can't agree with that.

http://www.livingwithrheumatoidarthritis.com/Table-Salt.html

Earl

That's what I love about your sources Earl, not only do I get to learn something but I get the opportunity to buy Iphone 3/3gs/4 cases with free shipping when I reach the middle of the text

 

[LicensedToTrade]

Now then salt, table salt, sea salt, rock salt, sodium chloride, NaCl, whatever you want to call it is one of the oldest products used in the flavouring and preservation of food, so if its use poses a threat to the human race then it is taking it's sweet time to finish us off.

Sea Salt - Is very rarely consumed in its unrefined state due to the nasty taste caused by all the naturally present magnesium and calcium.

Rock Salt - Guess where that came from? evaporated lakes...like sea salt it contains lots of magnesium and calcium compounds.

So what do we need to do to make it edible? Refine it.

What is added to it? Magnesium and Calcium carbonates (where can we find some of them )?

Table salt is made up of around 95-99% sodium chloride, the rest are inert anti-caking/ free flowing agents, all of which have been approved by the UK. The most unusual thing you are likely to find in salt is a few grains of rice.

 

OK lets try again.

for a practical test just drink 6 glasses of salt water.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Getti...alt-or-Sodium-Chloride_UCM_303290_Article.jsp

Earl

 

[LicensedToTrade]

OK lets try again.

for a practical test just drink 6 glasses of salt water.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Getti...alt-or-Sodium-Chloride_UCM_303290_Article.jsp

Earl

Well yes if you have too much salt it is going to lead to your untimely death. The same goes for ingesting 6 glasses of any compound in solution.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

OK lets try again.

for a practical test just drink 6 glasses of salt water.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Getti...alt-or-Sodium-Chloride_UCM_303290_Article.jsp

Earl

You're more likely to die by drinking 6 litres of pure water. This is when there's too much water in your system and not enough salt in relation to the amount of water. This creates a sodium imbalance and can quite easily cause you to die.

6 glasses of salt water would simply be rejected by the digestive system and vomited back up. It's quite obvious that your body will be unhappy with too much of any chemical or compound in existence.