Taking equipment and tools into and out of NI for work

Discussion in 'International Business' started by paulears, Jul 23, 2021.

  1. paulears

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    Watching a programme on TV made me ask the experts here.

    I uproot the contents of my office and move to Belfast in November - use the items as if I was at home and then return them home in January - about ten weeks, end to end.

    In the past, I simply go around the office and store and put useful things in flight trunks and stick them in the van. Another case I fill with clothes - no suitcases, just pile stuff in.

    Equipment wise it's computers, monitors, cameras (video and still) printers, cables, microphones, walkie talkies, tool boxes, tools. Anything that might get used in a work away from home situation.

    I don't have any paperwork for any of it - never needed it before. With the situation between NI and GB - can anyone see any issues with doing exactly the same. A friend tells me it's carnets, accurate descriptions and paperwork. I rarely stop adding stuff until the van door won't shut the morning I leave. There's no mega expensive items, and it's all nowhere near new, or in new condition. I'm not taking any new boxed stock.

    What do you reckon - drive onto the ferry and do as before. Usually when they open the doors, they look at the mess and shut them again quickly. How is this kind of thing being managed? Is it different from sending new goods as sales items? No money is involved here, it's just setting up a 'I can do anything' office for a few weeks.
     
    Posted: Jul 23, 2021 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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  2. The Byre

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    "A friend tells me it's carnets,"

    Your friend is right.
     
    Posted: Jul 23, 2021 By: The Byre Member since: Aug 13, 2013
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  3. paulears

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    Hmmm. Having done those before, it will be virtually impossible - lots of the gear will be out on hire right up to departure day so completing the paperwork will be next to impossible. I could do it for the higher priced gear - but are there any circumstances where personal belongings are exempt? I can't imagine that everyone taking a DSLR into Belfast would have a carnet? I've been posting brand new ebay items to Belfast every week and so far, all have arrived via Parcelforce. No warnings or questions when typing in a NI address. The highest value items are £200 or thereabouts. I'd just not thought about me driving them through being a problem. Is it also the same coming back? If I send the majority of the items via Parcelforce can I simply drive them back?
     
    Posted: Jul 23, 2021 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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  4. The Byre

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    That's OK today - but the light-touch deal runs out soon and then either you are a tourist (no checks) or you are driving a van/truck and obviously a business.

    What the Brexitieers failed to understand is that they honestly thought that Europe could give a F. Trust me - they do not care. The RoI is supplied via France and NI will have to become a part of the RoI in the long run - or the UK rejoins Europe.
     
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  5. paulears

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    I have to hold my hands up and say I was somebody who voted for this wreck of a deal. I simply didn't realise and I regret it. I guess I'll have to suck it up, get organised and do a carnet, because I can see all the other systems breaking down when I most certainly get pulled over. The other hassle of course with a carnet is trying to find somebody on entry to stamp the damn things. My trips abroad with gear with carnets were never simple. I'm a member of a society that has a carnet deal but what a mess! I note HMRC pages dated 2019 and 2020 say more details will appear here - and they haven't!
     
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  6. JEREMY HAWKE

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    Your problem my friend, your problem !

    I am one of the members whos business activities have been effected by this . Thankfully saved by the fact that there is a pandemic boom causing a very high domestic demand

    The vote was a serious issue !

    This reckless voting with a lack of understanding and deep research is a joke . At least you admit you made a mistake all the others claimed to have been conned !

    I dont know what to say I really dont !

    If you are a sole trader you could you could claim as moving own goods into the country
     
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    Posted: Jul 24, 2021 By: JEREMY HAWKE Member since: Mar 4, 2008
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    I am a sole trader, and VAT registered - they are my goods, as the business is me? Does this work as some kind of exemption? HMRC/VAT just says more info coming soon, dated 2020.

    A Vivaro full to the brim with technical kit would be difficult to consider 'personal' though.
     
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    It would be safer to do a carnet but it is your own goods
     
    Posted: Jul 24, 2021 By: JEREMY HAWKE Member since: Mar 4, 2008
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    You have asked this question before. Welcome to the wonderful world of Brexit. Now you know why musicians, actors, theatre groups, artists etc are tearing their hair out over Bojo's EU deal.

    Carnet inspections can be a very hit and miss affair. I am old enough to remember using them for Spain, Greece, Nigeria and a few other places. I was once escorted to the airport in Greece by a policemen because I had missed a £10 flash gun from my list.

    I was lucky enough to have a studio walking distance from the London Chamber of Commerce on Waterloo Bridge so could get it stamped last thing before a trip.

    You are lucky that it can now be done online. I have heard that there are companies who will do it for you. Boomerang or Dynamic will take care of everything for you and are hugely experienced at it for the creative industries. It would help if you bar coded everything with a lable and scanned everything as you load your van.

    I posted this on UKBF BEFORE the vote. You were on the forum then........

    As this is a business forum there are ways it will affect small businesses. Many on here are probably too young to remember the need for Carnets when doing fairly mundane things like exhibiting at a trade show, taking trade samples to visit a client or taking work equipment to nearby places like Holland. It was a right pain in the backside but will come back for all EU countries.

    So, when a web designer takes some work on holiday to Spain and forgets to get a Carnet to temporarily import his laptop he could get it confiscated at the border. It happened in the past with photographers and cameras.
     
    Posted: Jul 24, 2021 By: atmosbob Member since: Oct 26, 2009
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    Indeed I did, and I read the things then as made the assumption it didn't apply to my circumstances just simlar ones. Now of course, I discover it does apply to me. I'm more annoyed that I have to effectively plan well ahead and take gear out of use and record the details like quarantine, then hope the customs folk are actually going to be there! a real bummer. I suppose I could even just pay the VAT, get a receipt and then as per the HMRC/VAT site, simply enter it and the net result would be nil - pay it and claim it back to cancel it out. That might save me the cost of the carnet I suppose!
     
    Posted: Jul 24, 2021 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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    Same amount of paperwork for both.
     
    Posted: Jul 24, 2021 By: atmosbob Member since: Oct 26, 2009
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    We are now seeing the sheer size of the mistake that Brexit has become - and we ain't gone Full-Brexit yet! Then the fun and games will really start!

    Every French and German person I have spoken to about the difficulties created by Brexit has just shrugged their shoulders and either say "Good!" or "So what!"

    EVERY successful trading nation on Planet Earth is in a free trade bloc - except the UK. It decided to leave the largest and the most successful free-trade zone ever created and go it alone. Even giants like the US and China choose to be in free-trade blocs.

    The only exception is Taiwan, which has a series of special deals (more of a love/hate relationship) with China and a series of trade deals (that do not tread on China's toes) with other countries. (And TBH Taiwan is living on borrowed time. It is as if the Nazis fled Germany to set up shop on the island of Sylt!)

    But we've been down this path a thousand times, especially on this forum, and now Brexiteers are regretting their petulance at the EU at their leisure. The problem is, so is everyone else who is dragged into the quagmire of isolation and subsequent encroaching poverty along with them.
     
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  14. paulears

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    Ive just had this info from the Musicians Union
    The MU has spoken to the London Chamber of Commerce, and we’re pleased to learn that an ATA Carnet is not currently required for your equipment when travelling to Northern Ireland for work and back – or travelling from Northern Ireland to other parts of the UK and back. If this situation changes, we will let members know as soon as we can. So I'm more confused now?
     
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  15. The Byre

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    We go full Looney-Tunes in October so the deal (AFAIK) that Bozo agreed to will require a carnet after that date. That is when NI fully becomes a part of the customs union.
     
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  16. paulears

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    Thanks - I do appreciate it. It's just very difficult following the HMRC advice which suggests one thing then contradicts it and takes you in a big circle.
     
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    Every warning about NI is coming true - step by step. That is one of the many elephants lurking in the shadows. Most of the elephants are economic and will prove to be far larger than the NI elephant in the long run, but the attention span of the popular media cannot cope with the long-term crushing effects of trade imbalances and deficit spending and far prefer to report copiously about Harry-Nice-But-Dim and English tourists defecating on Highland beaches.

    There was nothing inherently wrong with the concept of leaving the EU. I may have not agreed with that idea, but it was perfectly viable as a policy and may have had a reasonable or even a beneficial outcome. But as the old song goes "It ain't what ye do, it's the way that ye do it!"

    In my non-too humble opinion, this present government is the most inept and incompetent government since WW2 - and yes, I am including Attlee, Wilson and Heath in that list! The key to all successful negotiation is experience and above all, preparation. This government was inexperienced and totally unprepared.

    The so-called deal that was negotiated on behalf of the British people was no deal at all, but just a list of terms dictated by the very experienced and meticulously prepared EU negotiating team that would do the least amount of damage to EU companies and the EU economy. It was a master-class in extracting every concession from one side without them fully realising what was happening or the consequences of what they had done.
     
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  18. atmosbob

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    Another problem you have is that experience will vary from country to country. I can remember when one had difficulties coming back from HK, Singapore or the UAE. As a photographer all my equipment was suspect even on a holiday. To get round that one I changed my occupation on my passport from Photographer to Visual Consultant.

    Holland was especially bad for sticking to all the paperwork. I had a friend, a one man photographer like myself, who lost the value of 4 London houses after Dutch officials impounded a luton van full of equipment bound for Germany.
     
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    Daily Mail online has a story about appointments to the BBC. Apparently anyone who sensibly reported the Remain side in the referendum is an Anti-Tory Marxist and should be banned from working for the BBC. The swing to a right wing dictatorship is here.
     
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    Take no notice - the Daily Mail supported Hitler, Mussolini and Mosley - owner Lord Rothermere was even friends with these people. Much earlier, the Mail even opposed women being given the vote. I sense the power of fascist hypocrisy is strong within the Mail.
     
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