Software for producing websites - to replace Serif WebPlus

Discussion in 'Ecommerce Forum' started by paulears, May 28, 2017.

  1. Chris Ashdown

    Chris Ashdown UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Are you all just looking at it far to deep, Most users just want a rather simple basic software package that they can run after filling in a few hours work

    Some take the basic packages of all software; and expand it far beyond the makers dreams' and then complain its a bloated unpredictable load of crap, whilst at the same time many use it every day without problem

    A shop is a simple process these days, it offers a way to buy products plus a shop window to wow the customers in, be it bricks and mortar or e-commerce, try and make it a PLC web shop costing many thousands of pounds and that is not what it's designed to do and every add on will effect it to a extent
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: Chris Ashdown Member since: Dec 7, 2003
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  2. ffox

    ffox UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Paul, the more I read of this thread, the more I want to say - load your pages into Dreamweaver, which you already own, and see what you can do with it. From the above it would seem that you have a learning curve to follow whichever way you go. Why not start with what you already have?
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: ffox Member since: Mar 11, 2004
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  3. The Byre

    The Byre UKBF Ace Free Member

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    It really is 28.7-times easier to just have one fader-per-channel, rather than have to look up a list of 50 different snap-shots, when it comes to running PAR-cans. We have 20 channels of analogue and 16 channels of DMX dimmers. This is all packed into one flightcase and allows me to react immediately to any changes.

    So far, so good. We also have six scanners ranging from 2kW to 500 Watts and a DMX controller that is totally unfathomable. I need a simple controller just for the scanners, that allows me to change things on the fly, follow a toggle and above all, is easy to use and understandable. Any suggestions?
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: The Byre Member since: Aug 13, 2013
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  4. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    Because it's a CMS and database driven. There are are no 'pages' there are just rows in a database table.

    Duh! It's a CMS there are no pages to move.
    Same for any CMS. But you can move the whole site to a subfolder or sub-domain. Takes less than a minute.
    That's got nothing to do with WP. A mistake in htaccess will break any website.
    Of course not. You can't FTP to a database. But you can create content offline is import to the database. Wordpress has a built in tool that does this.
    Choose a different theme. Or go to footer.php and remove the line. Just like every other CMS and site builder.
    See above, you don't need to do any of that.
    It's moved on a lot since then. You don't need to do any of that.

    @Clinton I doubt we will ever agree but I work with clients everyday who all use wordpress (who began with no knowledge at all) and nobody ever encounters the problems you have posted about.
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  5. Clinton

    Clinton UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    That's a poor excuse for it doing what it wants to do rather than what I want it to do :)

    Listen, WP is great for some things, not great if you want to, for example, create static pages on your home PC and upload them to your hosting account. Not great for people like the OP.
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: Clinton Member since: Jan 17, 2010
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  6. The Byre

    The Byre UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Is this the five minute argument?

    Or have we gone over to the full half-hour?
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: The Byre Member since: Aug 13, 2013
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  7. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    I agree. But if you want to use a CMS you can't do what you want do do. So to say WP is rubbish because you can't create folders is like saying a fork is useless for eating soup. You are usung the wrong tool.

    But a CMS can make building even the most simple site so much easier. Even your idea of building static pages and uploading can be made simpler using a CMS one you get your head round how it works.
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  8. The Byre

    The Byre UKBF Ace Free Member

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    The full half-hour it is then!
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: The Byre Member since: Aug 13, 2013
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  9. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    No it isn't
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  10. Alan

    Alan UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Despite mainly specialising in WordPress myself, I do agree to some extent. Being database driven, WordPress by its very nature needs server side code to operate and that in its own right creates potential vulnerabilities that can be exploited when a WP site isn't maintained.

    A straight HTML site loads quicker, runs faster, needs less expensive hosting and is inherently unhackable ( in it own right it doesn't mean though if a sever is hacked it is safe )

    If you don't need the database features ( such as multi user access ) but still want 'theme' based 'bog sites', you can do it with static HTML easily enough.
     
    Posted: Jun 6, 2017 By: Alan Member since: Aug 16, 2011
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  11. paulears

    paulears UKBF Big Shot Full Member

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    I've been pleasantly surprised by Muse - I've had little trouble replicating one of the websites, a few things are done a little oddly - hotspots are done, as far as I can tell by placing a box on the screen with no line, or fill so you cannot see it, which can then have a hyperlink - so pretty much like a hotspot. Not quite got to grip with tables yet = you take a grid from something like excel, then you pop that into an on-line html converter and paste that in as an object. Seems to work fine - but using the hotspot box workaround it falls apart a bit when it resizes, and although I can fix it by preventing resizing, there's a proper way I'm sure somewhere. all in all, the sites are minimal in cleverness, and I can already replicate their functionality. It's also pretty neat at reminding you if you have resized images that require resampling. I think I'm happy - at least in terms of getting things running, and no doubt once I've got a bit better, I'll find some even more clever things I can incorporate. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone - really appreciated. Paul
     
    Posted: Jun 8, 2017 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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  12. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    But.....

    Does the site respond to the screen size? If it doesn't then you have taken a retrograde step.

    Hotspots in particular should be avoided. Far simpler to do this with a div and some CSS - that way it will always work even if people resize and zoom and whatever. Preventing resizing is a bad move, google even checks to make sure you don't block this sort of functionality.
     
    Posted: Jun 9, 2017 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  13. paulears

    paulears UKBF Big Shot Full Member

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    Yes - one of the nice things about Muse appears to be how it can be set to respond. Still working out exactly how the options either allow, disallow or restrict resizing of all the elements work - but the break points when it switches between formats appears very flexible. In particular, some table elements must remain intact as they have click to listen to a clip, and purchase links, and making them smaller doesn't work. I preferred in the past hotspots for 'area clicking' rather than hyperlinks, but as each element to the page has the option to be clicked, and where this doesn't work, adding an invisible element, does seem to do the trick. The text reflowing when the screen gets smaller threw me for a bit - wasn't used to this, but makes more sense now. Div and CSS are fine if you are developing g in that way, but I really do NOT want to type this kind of thing. I can just about manage to work my way around what the code is doing if I need to make sure alignment is 100% precise and accurate, but the visual wysiwyg method seems to be pretty good so far. Considering I'd never even heard of Muse until a few days ago, my progress is reasonably rapid.
     
    Posted: Jun 9, 2017 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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  14. paulears

    paulears UKBF Big Shot Full Member

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    Just a note to say a big thank you to Graham (fisicx) for spending half an hour on the phone with me trying out his wordpress admin panel, seeing how easy it actually is, rather than reading it and doubting. So many things that I've now seen are nowhere as tricky as I'd imagined. A million thanks. Paul
     
    Posted: Jun 9, 2017 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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  15. AllUpHere

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    I'll second that. I too have been enlightened by a few mins on the phone with @fisicx
     
    Posted: Jun 9, 2017 By: AllUpHere Member since: Jun 30, 2014
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  16. MarkAOrr

    MarkAOrr UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I have had exactly the same problem. I don't want to go the Wordpress route because it is unsecure and unreliable and never quite as easy as it is made out to be.

    So, I have done a load of research and looked at Xara, Incomedia Website X5 Pro and WYSIWYG Web Builder 12. The best of those for WebPlus users is probably the last one WYSIWYG. It is responsive and has loads of easy to understand tools. Strangely, when you look on YouTube there aren't that many good tutorial videos. However, WYSIWYG has been licensed to a chap called Greg Hughes and he sells it under the name 90 Second Website Builder. If you watch his tutorial videos you will see how easy and powerful the software is. It only costs $50.

    Good luck
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2018 By: MarkAOrr Member since: Feb 1, 2007
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  17. pbdesigns

    pbdesigns UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Why bother having a website? What other purpose would it serve other than to help generate business?
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2018 By: pbdesigns Member since: Nov 23, 2011
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  18. paulears

    paulears UKBF Big Shot Full Member

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    I want the emails, and I want the URLs. The websites also contain downloadable content clients can access. However, the websites are just a 'hello' - more of a placeholder really. I don't use them to generate income, and this really is a practical thing. what we do is quite niche, and 99% of our income is word of mouth. The websites used to generate traffic, but we'd spend so much time trying to get rid of people who want things we don't wish to do. There are some active client sites now, done on Muse, which now I'm very happy with - music downloads and music samples. Muse does this quite well and is much better than Webplus ever was. Graham's intro to Wordpress never got past the experiment stage - just something I couldn't get to grips with. Very useful info from him that I appreciated very much. At some point I'll replace the current placeholder sites with something nicer, but the last thing I want is domestic customers. I usually recommend other people to them when they contact us.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2018 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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  19. pbdesigns

    pbdesigns UKBF Regular Free Member

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    It does sound like you need a pro to assist you.

    A decent website is as good at attracting the right clients as it is at putting off the wrong clients.

    If your website is earsmedia.co.uk then you absolutely should be considering working with a professional to create your website.

    It just surprises me when I see business owners spending so long trying to manage their own website.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2018 By: pbdesigns Member since: Nov 23, 2011
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  20. paulears

    paulears UKBF Big Shot Full Member

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    Sigh! the website is what I said above - it is NOT trying to capture an audience and I'm very content to leave it as it is. I could have a white single page saying Boo! The right clients do not ever Google for people like me. I need to put off the wrong clients, and it works fine. The right clients come via different communication mediums. I don't need a pro to help me, because I've no need or interest in the website - as I said, behind the scenes it's useful for other things.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: paulears Member since: Jan 7, 2015
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