Pricing Help for Multiple Products

RoseQ06

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Hi, just joined the forum today - looks like a great place :)

I'm hoping for some advice in regards pricing.
I'm currently going round in circles trying to figure out the best pricing for my products, both wholesale and retail.

The problem is I stock approx 100 different products. How do I calculate how much I need to sell each product for to make a profit?

I have seen the formula for Break-Even when you sell just one product but can't figure out how to adapt it to multiple products that vary in cost from £1.00 to £4.00 Fixed costs per month are straightforward, variable costs are another matter.

Does anyone have any advice on how best to tackle pricing? As I am both wholesaler and retailer I need to strike the best balance so that I make enough profit even on the trade price and stockists make a good mark-up as well. I've hit a stumbling block with this.

Thanks for any help.

RoseQ
 

Graham Iceberg

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Why not have a fixed profit MARGIN per item, consistant throughout all products and both retal and wholesale ?

If, say, 25% is a margin (true cost price per unit v end return price per unit) then apply that across the board. It will save you time and is easy to impliment and control.
 
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cjd

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    There are lots of different methods of pricing but they boil down to two biggies:

    Cost based (eg add 25% mark up to direct costs)
    Market based (see what the market will pay)

    I suggest the first thing you do is research how much your competors are charging and then decide whether to follow or lead (ie be lower or higher). It would be very brave to be a leader as a start-up :)

    Once you know what people are currently paying you can see how much margin you have left to contribute to your fixed costs.
     
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    RoseQ06

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    Thanks for your advice. A set margin would be the most straightforward and would work with the vast majority of the products.

    The bit that is confusing me is how do I get to the point of knowing how much I need to add to the products to make this profit. Fixed costs per month are straightforward, variable take a bit of working out, however once I know my total costs, how then do i apply it?

    For example:

    Product A costs £1.00 to buy from supplier
    Estimated Monthly Sales is 5000 units of Product A
    Total Costs per month say £15,000
    Desired profit Margin say 25%

    So the customers price for Product A should be...

    and that's where I get confused. It's probably really simple and staring me right in the face but I've tried to understand it for so long that i've completely baffled myself.:|

    The other problem is that due to the type of products they are the price needs to keep around the £2-£3 mark for Retail.

    Thanks again for both of your advice.

    RoseQ
     
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    Graham Iceberg

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    Hi Rose Q6,

    I think you need to really take step back and look at the things from scratch.

    1.) What are your overheads per month going to add up to ? You need to cover this figure initially. You should really make time, and work this out.

    2.) If a reasonable profit margin per item is 25% (it could be higher or lower - I don't know what product you are talking about specifically) then how much PROFIT MONEY will that 25% give you ? Per item ?

    3.) Multiply that PROFIT MONEY you have gained from 1 item sold at 25% margin, by whatever amount of units at the same margin, to cover the cost of 1 months overheads.

    4.) That will give you a target. Initially. A break even target.

    5.) Looking at what you wrote, selling 5000 items of product A, which cost you 1 quid each, and needing 15k to cover monthly expenses, is just not going to work, unless you have a profit margin of 400% (15,000 returns and cost of buying products from seller)
     
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    cjd

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    You have a lot of work to do ;-)

    cost of sales = 5,000 units @ £1 per unit = £5000
    fixed cost per month = £15000 (I have assumed you've excluded your cost of goods from this)
    Total cost in month = £20,000

    Price per unit to break even in month = £20,000/5,000 = £4.00

    So inorder to break even you have to sell a £1 product at £4. (This ignores returns bad debts etc etc)

    The markup is therefore (£4-£1)/£1x100 = 300%

    You now have to establish whether a £4 selling price is actually achievable in your market.
     
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    RoseQ06

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    Ahh a lot of work to do :eek: Sorry I wasn't clear the £15,000 was including the cost of stock. It's rough figures so it looks like I'll have to go through everything to find the real costs, but now I have a clear idea on how I calculate the price, it should be a bit easier.

    My pricing has never been a clear cut subject but as I'm now becoming a distributor, I need to have this right from the very start especially as there is a strict price limit for retail. A long night ahead I think.

    Thanks again for your help.:)

    RoseQ
     
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    ukanalyst

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    Hi Rose,

    A lot of good advice up top.

    Fundamentally, this is what i do for a living, pricing services and products. In addition, I help our clients decide what they should go to market with in terms of their product range.

    Guess what the biggest trap they fall into is......assuming they are going to shift all their products, especially those who source from overseas and have to buy in bulk to get discounts or enough products to service the market.

    They also forget about the impact returned or cancelled orders have on their business, most work on 8% to 10%, but on clothing it can be anything up to 30%, even on cash only sales (which includes cards & cheques, but excludes credit accounts).

    Also, i think your aim to get a 25% profit on your products may be a bit ambitious, why not shoot for between 10% and 15% - unless you are paying shareholders, etc, then this should be adequate until you get up and running.

    You have touched on the costs of running your business, and getting it down to the nitty gritty is an excellent start, but don't assume that all your costs are going to be known. For example, one of our clients was recently let down by their supplier and had to send a mailing out to a section of their customer base, 18,000 letters, which cost them a little over £9k including postage, etc. This may be small fry if your turnover is in excess of £10 million PA, but to a smaller company - this is quite a hit.

    There are potentially several methods you could use:

    1) Adding a margin onto each product
    2) Adding a chunk of your overheads onto each product and adding a margin to that
    3) Calculating how much it costs you to get each product out of the door, add a margin to that and then add that onto the product cost, etc

    But there are also ways to make the money back
    1) Charging postage & packing to cover your costs (mega money to be made here)
    2) Charging a higher rate for single or low volume orders, as compared to larger orders
    3) Getting the products drop shipped from another supplier
    4) Link deals where customers get preferential rates on other items to build up the order.

    I would be more than happy to give you a full costing if you want to give me some more details of the intended product range and your cost/overhead base.

    By way of example, say you have three products A, B & C.

    Product A you buy for £0.50 per product and you buy 10,000
    Product B you buy at £1.00 and you buy 5,000
    Product C costs you £5.00 and you buy 500.
    Your product costs are £12,500
    You know the minimum on the market is £1.00 for A, £2.50 for B and £12.50 for C.

    Always price on your worst case, so let's assume 90% sales of products, which accounts for damages and returns/cancellations, this gives you potential net revenue of £25,875.

    Your overheads are £10,000, which includes your staff, building/storage, heat light and power, telephone, PC's, marketing, packaging, Business Tax, postage/carrier etc.

    So Cost of Sales = Cost of goods + overheads = £22,500

    Net Profit = Net Revenue - Cost of Sales = £3,375 or 13% net profit.

    This is where the fun starts

    Option 1 - charge an additional margin (10%)

    Product A Charge at 10% margin (not mark-up) = £1.00/0.9 = £1.11
    Product B Charge at 10% margin (not mark-up) = £2.50/0.9 = £2.78
    Product B Charge at 10% margin (not mark-up) = £12.50/0.9 = £13.89

    Your net revenue at 90% sales jumps up to £28,750.5,
    or a profit of £6,250.50 (21.7%)

    Option 2 - charge a P&P fee of £1.95 per item, which on 15,500 items you bought, and 90% of which you despatched is 13,950 - or worth £27,202.50 extra on top of your original £3,375, gives you a whopping 57.6% profit…

    However, I doubt the numbers in the cost of sales are anywhere near accurate and as always, it's the hidden costs that will screw you. You know your fixed costs, you can get a steer on your variable costs, but your hidden costs will bite you in the butt if you don't control them or put things in place to limit their impact.

    Like I said, let me know if you want more help

    Regards

    Chris
     
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    Graham Iceberg

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    I am looking at your equations - it's quite scary. I think for this to work, you need to simplify things and try to sell less, to start off with, until things take off. You need to get those overheads down !

    Why are your overheads so high ? Would it be possible to back track, minimise your overheads, and aim to sell less items (or higher margins) ?

    I feel there is a lot of pressure to shift Product A. A lot at stake if you do not shift it..... don't take on too much, just yet.
     
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