Please support the Boiler Scrappage scheme petition

Discussion in 'General Business Forum' started by MickW, Sep 10, 2009.

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  1. garyk

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    Well its been announced but as usual its as clear as mud, i.e. how to apply?, who can benefit?, how much do you actually get (it says upto £400) etc etc
     
    Posted: Dec 9, 2009 By: garyk Member since: Jun 14, 2006
  2. dingbat

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    How to work that? Dodgy installer goes around signing off installations that don't exist and splits money with the customer etc.

    These schemes are always milked by the scammers. And the government don't care as they'll just set aside a certain amount of money for it and say they've done their bit.

    Sorry, Mick, I understand you want to help out merchants but I shed no tears for installers who are making a very, very healthy living already. Thanks to Corgi's closed shop arrangement.
     
    Posted: Dec 9, 2009 By: dingbat Member since: Nov 28, 2006
  3. MickW

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    So, I'm told it is £400 per boiler and they intend it to help 125,000 households.

    I have to say that I'm very happy, but I'll still reserve judgement a little until I have seen the detail...
     
    Posted: Dec 9, 2009 By: MickW Member since: Mar 25, 2009
  4. MickW

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    I don't know yet - the details will be published tomorrow, I hope, but I'm told it IS £400.
     
    Posted: Dec 9, 2009 By: MickW Member since: Mar 25, 2009
  5. MickW

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    What? "understand you want to help out merchants".....

    Ok, whatever! :|:rolleyes::|
     
    Posted: Dec 9, 2009 By: MickW Member since: Mar 25, 2009
  6. directmarketingadvice

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    I saw a piece about this on the news last night and they inteviewed a boiler guy.

    All he went on about was how it would help their industry. Never said anything about the environment.

    There's a surprise. :rolleyes:

    Steve
     
    Posted: Dec 10, 2009 By: directmarketingadvice Member since: Aug 2, 2005
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  7. LicensedToTrade

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    Have any of the major boiler manufacturers said what they are putting towards it?
     
    Posted: Dec 10, 2009 By: LicensedToTrade Member since: Nov 7, 2009
  8. MickW

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    I'm still trying to find out the details.

    I strongly suspect that they have done this as a last minute thing and haven't really spoken to anyone.

    I'll post any details as I find out.
     
    Posted: Dec 10, 2009 By: MickW Member since: Mar 25, 2009
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  9. MartCactus

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    Oh you cynic!

    In days gone past people who were concerned about the environment used to grow their hair, stop using deodorant and live off govt handouts whilst waving placards and planning campaigns of action.

    These days any one who cares about the pandas and the whales obviously becomes a plumbers merchant - but I guess the living off govt handouts and waving placards is a hard habit to shake off.
     
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    Posted: Dec 13, 2009 By: MartCactus Member since: Sep 24, 2007
  10. qrmahmad

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    Hi
    How can i support your Boiler Scrappage scheme petition/
     
    Posted: Dec 13, 2009 By: qrmahmad Member since: Dec 13, 2009
  11. Sure

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    Although your local heating engineer may be qualified in energy efficiency and an expert in boilers and heating systems he wont be the person to ask, presumably it is thought that there could be a conflict of interests.:rolleyes:

    You will need to get an EPC (Energy performance certificate) from an independant and "qualified" DEA (Domestic energy advisor) to verify that your boiler is actually G rated and currently in use. Though EPC's don't show boiler ratings:|
    I guess this will also help all the people that spent fortunes training to be DEA's before everyone stopped buying or selling houses.
     
    Posted: Dec 27, 2009 By: Sure Member since: Dec 30, 2006
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  12. G. Lasagne

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    Also what percentage of boiler exchanges are from band G to band A, i would say very very few.
    I think the scheme is more about the governement looking like there doing what they can for the enviroment.
     
    Posted: Dec 27, 2009 By: G. Lasagne Member since: Mar 12, 2008
  13. Sure

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    Nobody seems to know how many boilers will fall into the scheme, though there are over 1000 different models.

    I suspect very few people will take up the £400 incentive because a 25-30 year old heating system is likely to need a lot more than just replacing the boiler.
    To comply with building regs, benchmark etc they could be looking at spending over £3000.
    Its reckoned that G rated boilers have a life span of another 6 years on average, so they would be replaced "naturally" over a relatively short period anyway.

    I agree the government is just trying to make the right noises, without it actually costing too much, if they were serious about the environment they would include all boilers older than ten years and lower than a B rating.
     
    Posted: Dec 27, 2009 By: Sure Member since: Dec 30, 2006
  14. Stuart Walker

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    the scrappage scheme is not worth the paper it was written on, the only companies that get to fit these boilers are the guys on the eaga scheme which is fixed for the next three years

    the people who need the boiler changes are not going to be able to afford the £1000+ needed to pay for the replacements over the grant figure

    why are we still fitting boilers, bigger grants to chage to air source or ground source pumps would make alot more sense, but there is no chance with that based on the current management!
     
    Posted: Dec 27, 2009 By: Stuart Walker Member since: Dec 15, 2009
  15. MASSEY

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    Its all most as if its an indirect fiscal stimulus to a hard hit sector, and enviornment will be helped via this.

    In terms of the extra money people will have to spend because the boiler will not be the only thing that needs altering i think they will spend that money, as they are home owners afterall and they will look at this as a money saving incentive.

    And the exta money generated will be taxable, i also think the scrappage scheme should be aimed at the smaller company's excluding the large.
     
    Posted: Dec 27, 2009 By: MASSEY Member since: Nov 29, 2009
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  16. LicensedToTrade

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    Just to revive this thread and update you on Graham The Plumbers' Merchant position on the boiler scrappage scheme. Whilst I was at first sceptical we have now got on board and rolled out a dedicated website for home owners and installers. Please take a look to see if you are eligible.

    http://www.greenerboilerscheme.com/
     
    Posted: Jan 27, 2010 By: LicensedToTrade Member since: Nov 7, 2009
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  17. adventurelife

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    Well my old bolier packed in yesterday. Not bad though since it was installed in 1984. May be able to replace the broken valve though for around £150 so if I can I will do as no scrap scheme for us cold people up in Scotland:(
     
    Posted: Jan 27, 2010 By: adventurelife Member since: Dec 2, 2007
  18. MickW

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    Graham have been supportive from the start of the campaign, as have most other merchants, as well as major boiler manufacturers and installer organisations.

    I'm glad you are now supporting the campaign, although I note that you say that "I was at first sceptical" and now you say that "We have now got on board".. :)
     
    Posted: Jan 27, 2010 By: MickW Member since: Mar 25, 2009
  19. MickW

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    I don't suppose you are over 60, are you?

    If you are, you can probably get some help via the "Warmfront" scheme!

    We are still campaigning for the scheme to be taken up in Scotland, Wales & NI - they have had the funds allocated, but it still has to be approved by the individual Assemblies...
     
    Posted: Jan 27, 2010 By: MickW Member since: Mar 25, 2009
  20. adventurelife

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    60:eek: If I get to 60 I hope I am in no need of central heating as I will only be visiting Scotland in the summer:)
     
    Posted: Jan 28, 2010 By: adventurelife Member since: Dec 2, 2007
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