Now POLICE are urged to investigate Maria Miller over her expenses claims

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  1. Merchant UK

    Merchant UK UKBF Ace Full Member - Verified Business

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    Can you believe it, She stole £45,500 through fraud and was told to only pay back £5,000 odd

    Oh she had to apologise to the House of Commons

    I would of said "Thank you very Much"

    This is definitely a criminal act and the police have every right to be involved to claim back the full amount not just a paltry token figure.

    I'm sure the government would like to be seen to be simply a bunch of crooks helping themselves. How can we make sure she pays it all back and what if i call the police to report a crime, they have a legal obligation to follow it up surely?
     
    Posted: Apr 4, 2014 By: Merchant UK Member since: Aug 15, 2010
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  2. Nuno

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    Tar. Feathers.

    (I wonder how many votes UKIP gains from this, with people disgusted at the arrogance and sleaze of the Conservatives?)
     
    Posted: Apr 4, 2014 By: Nuno Member since: Oct 10, 2011
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  3. MASSEY

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    I tweeted David Cameron on a twitter account i set up for testing purposes. I bought 5,000 followers for 3 quid :D

    I tweeted ; 'You better sack that money grabbing bint'

    It wouldn't surprise me if he's had hundreds of similar requests.
     
    Posted: Apr 4, 2014 By: MASSEY Member since: Nov 29, 2009
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  4. Merchant UK

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    Whats the address i'll follow you and re tweet ;)
     
    Posted: Apr 5, 2014 By: Merchant UK Member since: Aug 15, 2010
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  5. Ian J

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    I think that you'll find that as many Labour MPs have abused the expenses system as have Conservatives so it's inappropriate to turn this into party politics.

     
    Posted: Apr 5, 2014 By: Ian J Member since: Nov 6, 2004
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  6. Merchant UK

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    I agree with Ian, The problem is that the problem exists that allows MP to do this either by mistake or not. There has to be a far better way to giving out expenses for 2nd homes etc.. I would be quite happy just giving them a premier inn account so that they have somewhere to stay when in London on business.

    What i can't understand, is how come reasonably intelligent people can cock this up big time and not expect to be caught out, the problem is that they do not know the basics of what they can or cannot claim for, I think another ideal way to stop fraud would be for MP's to have their claims audited, By one of the big auditing firms, PWC, KPMG etc.. to prevent fraudulent claims and ensure they only claim for themselves and no 3rd parties.
     
    Posted: Apr 5, 2014 By: Merchant UK Member since: Aug 15, 2010
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  7. leemason

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    She should, and I'm sure will, be hounded out of office by the press coverage. Most of the public probably don't give a stuff. But now it's also been shown that she tried to bully the papers into dropping the story by threatening them with tighter regulation that will put and end to her. Cameron will continue to support her until it gets too embarrassing. This might last a big longer than normal because he is desperate to keep the small number of female cabinet members that he has but she will have to go in the end!

    Apparently she claimed £90K between 2005-2009 in allowances on a house that cost her £234K in 1995. How that's over £20K a year. When she sold the house in 2014 is went for almost £1.5m. Apparently this was a house "where he parents ALSO lived". So her parents house then?
     
    Posted: Apr 5, 2014 By: leemason Member since: Dec 11, 2006
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  8. Nuno

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    And now Grant Shapps, Conservative Chairman, is saying " Nothing to see here, move along".

    Crass, patronizing, unprofessional drivel. The boy done well in Tory finishing school eh?
    (Wanders off in search of strong drink, muttering about onanists.)
     
    Posted: Apr 5, 2014 By: Nuno Member since: Oct 10, 2011
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  9. Billmccallum

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    Why on earth should they get expenses for second homes, etc? ? ? ? ? ? ?

    If Joe Public gets a job in London, he or she has to find a way to afford the move and/or commute, some paying thousands for the cost of rail travel into the city.

    We don't have expenses paid for by taxpayers to pay our mortgage interest or pond cleaning, so why should they.... and they get paid £65K.
     
    Posted: Apr 5, 2014 By: Billmccallum Member since: Apr 20, 2010
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  10. vvaannmmaann

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    Something here for everyone

    10
    Former cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken was convicted of perjury and perverting the course of justice in 1999. The former Tory MP received an 18-month prison sentence. The sentencing judge told him he had spun a ‘web of deceit’.

    9 Jeffrey Archer was convicted of perjury and perverting the course of justice during a 1987 libel case. The novelist and former Tory MP was jailed for four years in 2001.

    8 Tory peer Lord Hanningfield was jailed for nine months in 2011 after being convicted of falsely claiming nearly £14,000 in parliamentary expenses. The former Essex County Council leader spent just nine weeks in prison.

    7 David Chaytor, ex-Labour MP for Bury North, was jailed for 18 months in 2011 after pleading guilty to fraudulently claiming more than £20,000 in expenses.

    6 Former Conservative politician Lord Taylor of Warwick was jailed for 12 months in 2011 after falsely claiming £11,277 in travel costs.

    5 Elliot Morley, former Labour MP for Scunthorpe, was sentenced to 16 months imprisonment in 2011 after claiming more than £30,000 in false mortgage payments.

    4 Ex-Labour MP for Livingston Jim Devine was sentenced to 16 months in 2011 after submitting false invoices totalling £8,385.

    3 Eric Illsley, former Labour MP for Barnsley Central, was jailed for a year in 2011 after pleading guilty to £14,000 of fraudulent expenses.

    2 Labour minister John Stonehouse faced 18 charges of theft, forgery and conspiracy to commit insurance fraud in 1976. He served three years of his seven-year sentence.

    1 Horatio Bottomley, an independent MP for Hackney South in 1918, was convicted of fraud in 1922 and sentenced to seven years in prison.

    From The Metro
     
    Posted: Apr 6, 2014 By: vvaannmmaann Member since: Nov 6, 2007
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  11. Merchant UK

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    Just because Cameron wants a woman thief in his cabinet to make up the numbers i guess. Even the people who let her off were thieves too. How are we meant to respect our government when all we have are a bunch of crooks
     
    Posted: Apr 6, 2014 By: Merchant UK Member since: Aug 15, 2010
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  12. MikeJ

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    Sorry, but that's complete nonsense.

    Their job is in their constituency, and they need to work in London too. If I'm expected to work away from my home, then I get expenses. That's really not unusual, and to suggest otherwise means you've no idea what a politician does.

    The expenses system was crap, and is only slightly better than it was previously. What HM Government should do is by 300 homes close to Westiminster, and allocate them to any MP that can't commute from their constituency.
     
    Posted: Apr 6, 2014 By: MikeJ Member since: Jan 15, 2008
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  13. Billmccallum

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    We can disagree Mike.

    If you get a job working away from home, your employer isn't going to pay for a new house, a hotel might cost £100 a night in London, but it would a good deal cheaper than paying for a £500K house.

    Our longest serving MP was Stuart Bell, for nearly 20 years the only time he was seen in his constituency was when a camera crew was covering a story or during the election campaign.
     
    Posted: Apr 6, 2014 By: Billmccallum Member since: Apr 20, 2010
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  14. simon field

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    Which politicians deserve it?
    Is the main question I'd be asking.

    Without knowing any, I'm guessing that some of 'em do good stuff.

    Seems that a 'proportionate' few (a goodly helping) do bad stuff.

    Much like any of us really.

    I personally don't get much in the way of another home and I work real hard for the one I do have.

    Am I doing something wrong?

    Surely 65K covers most stuff, and If they're really good (or bad) they earn a FECKIN great wedge for a what I hear are 'After dinner speeches' can their wives not bring in 20k If not what on gods earth are they doing with their time?

    Like footballers who go on to be commentator presenters they ought to get on with it, stop screeching like a bunch of dozy sleepy baaaing girls in a box, do their job or get another one off they don't like it but keep outta my face and you'll do we'll you pompous twit.

    Thanks.
     
    Posted: Apr 7, 2014 By: simon field Member since: Feb 4, 2011
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  15. Merchant UK

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    Thats it Bill I agree with that also, for the little time most turn up they can have a premier Inn account if they need to stay late and they live over 30 miles away. Half the time they don't go in but still get their 2nd house paid, To me thats just chucking money down the drain when we're meant to be saving it.

    That Maria Miller is Just a Crook, She put in fraudulent claims and then got told to pay back a fraction of what she stole. Once a Thief always a Thief. What Image of the UK are they giving out? if they let a thief like her have a position of power in the Government.

    The quicker they sack her the better and don't forget to get back every last penny that she stole
     
    Posted: Apr 7, 2014 By: Merchant UK Member since: Aug 15, 2010
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  16. Nuno

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    Whilst I agree with your definition of Maria Miller as a thief, (or 'Benefits Cheat' as the Sun has it), I'm not sure of any damage to the reputation of the UK. Most elsewhere they do far worse, with more zeros on the end.
    By and large only the Anglophone countries are honest.
    Figures from memory only, but I recall that the average US Senator has a net worth of under $1million before he takes office and a net worth of $12million when he leaves. Lets not even start on places like Putinstan.
     
    Posted: Apr 7, 2014 By: Nuno Member since: Oct 10, 2011
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  17. Merchant UK

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    So the UK government is run by corrupt MP's who lick each others backsides when one gets found out? Either by choice or by force.

    Its Not just the tories, Its labour and the lib dems too, they are all at it, why? because they CAN!, The whole thing is corrupt and allowing MPs to commit fraud with little or no redress.

    I think someone has to tell the Queen, just what's going on on her front doorstep, and hope that there's some constitutional changes to the way MPs get paid for expenses, and even if they should.
     
    Posted: Apr 7, 2014 By: Merchant UK Member since: Aug 15, 2010
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  18. MikeJ

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    :D

    Bless.
     
    Posted: Apr 7, 2014 By: MikeJ Member since: Jan 15, 2008
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  19. Merchant UK

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    Yes, Perhaps i'd better tel Elizabeth and Philip the truth, Perhaps they can come and live with me as London is not trustworthy enough, I have a Small spare room they can use, and a garage for the crown Jewells
     
    Posted: Apr 7, 2014 By: Merchant UK Member since: Aug 15, 2010
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  20. leemason

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    Poor people are thieves. Rich people have clever accountants (and well connected friends).
     
    Posted: Apr 7, 2014 By: leemason Member since: Dec 11, 2006
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