New online SEO course by "Tin"

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  1. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    Google relies on GA to track visitors. No GA means no tracking. In your case is was the inbound links that made the difference, once they went (along with the poll) so did your ranking. It was a coincidence.
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
  2. justinaldridge

    justinaldridge UKBF Enthusiast Full Member

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    Freshness is an important factor in search results but it sometimes only has a temporary effect. So, your mentions on other sites, or an increase in people searching for a term means that Google can change the results to deal with the increased interest in a particular term.

    This is known as QDF - Query Deserves Freshness. It's probably what you witnessed and why your rankings then went back to what they were before as the interest in that search term decreased.

    Running a poll and being mentioned on other websites would have been good signals from a freshness point of view and why you saw that jump up at the time.
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: justinaldridge Member since: Sep 26, 2013
  3. Scott-Copywriter

    Scott-Copywriter UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    How do you propose that Google tracks all of this?

    Once you click a link in the SERP and leave Google, they have no way of telling what the visitor does internally on the website. It's technologically impossible.

    Sure, they have Analytics data, but they can't use that as a metric because some websites use it whilst others don't. Plus, it would cause an uproar regarding anti-competitive practices (i.e. you can only get good rankings on Google if you install our software on your website).

    What Google can use is data gathered from the interaction between their site and yours. For example:

    Bounce rate - If someone clicks a site in the SERP and then immediately clicks back on their browser to go back to the search results, Google can measure this as a bounce rate. A high bounce rate is not a good indication that the website is what the visitor wanted for that search term.

    CTR - If one of the rankings lower down gets a higher organic CTR than expected, this can indicate to Google that this result is deserving of a higher ranking.

    But beyond that type of thing, Google have no idea what a visitor is doing when they reach a site. They couldn't even use this data if they did.

    Regarding your example, I would say that your rankings increased for two reasons:

    1). More backlinks to your website via other sites which shared the poll results.

    2). A surge of people who used Google to find your website, thereby boosting the organic CTR. Many people these days either type the site name into Google, or even the URL itself, instead of typing it directly into the browser.

    But such user metrics are easy to manipulate and cannot be relied upon alone. They're combined with dozens of other factors of different weights, and when those other factors are strong enough, websites can go up the rankings and stay there instead of falling back down.

    Google itself has stated that they measure over 200 different factors to rank websites. Considering that they've had 18 years of technological development from the basic PageRank algorithm they started with (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank#Simplified_algorithm), I would be inclined to believe them.
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: Scott-Copywriter Member since: May 10, 2006
  4. Toby Willows

    Toby Willows UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Actually that wasn't the case. We always had a poll page and regular polls. The new inbound links (two of them) were there years later, so neither the poll page (yes it would have had different polls but the URL remaind the same) or links disappeared only visitor numbers did.
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: Toby Willows Member since: Jun 20, 2016
  5. Toby Willows

    Toby Willows UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Yes, I can see that will have a difference. But the ranking did follow , more or less, the number of visitors.
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: Toby Willows Member since: Jun 20, 2016
  6. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    But consider that Google will display personalized results based on local searches. So if more people were searching locally for the poll you would have had better ranking. And because YOU were looking for the site YOU would have seen different results to me. Once the poll was over and fewer people were Googling for the poll ranking would have dropped. It's not the number of visitors or the returning visitors, it's local searches and your own activity that boosted the results. I bet if you had asked someone at the other end of the country to do the same search they wouldn't have seen your site at the top.
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
  7. Toby Willows

    Toby Willows UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Actually no. I'm well aware of your previous searches effecting future one's. That's why, when checking rankings for my sites I do all the usual bumff so I'm searching as if for first time. In this case I can't see why geography would be an issue as the search term would have including "<town name> poll", just searching for the poll title probably wouldn't have returned anything, or hundreds of similar polls locally relevant.
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: Toby Willows Member since: Jun 20, 2016
  8. Pet Nanny

    Pet Nanny UKBF Ace Full Member

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    I really feel that I need to hijack this thread a little just to thank Tin Soldier for saving my website.
    I have been bitten a few times due to my complete ignorance of SEO & without this guys, help my business could well have gone under.
    I am not savvy enough to understand this course, but I absolutely promise you, that Tin is the best and I cannot recommend him highly enough.
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: Pet Nanny Member since: May 4, 2007
  9. AWA Training

    AWA Training UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Interesting looking course Tin, i have bookmarked for future consideration. Many thanks
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2016 By: AWA Training Member since: Sep 7, 2016
  10. Clodbuster

    Clodbuster UKBF Enthusiast Full Member

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    Pity about the name - cannot stand them, even the smell of banana makes me heave......
     
    Posted: Sep 9, 2016 By: Clodbuster Member since: Apr 24, 2008
  11. Cococarb

    Cococarb UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I wasn't showing any special attitude Tin/Ray. Simply re-acted to your vivid and blatant sarcasm shown on previous responses which I didn't expect from a "UKBF Legend"

    Judging by the continuous personal attacks I clearly have said something to upset you and for that I am sorry.

    Furthermore, I think you have spent waaay too much time on last response (8 - 9.30 am during a week day?) which indicates a lot Tin/Ray.

    Good luck with your SEO pdf sales :)

    No-more from me Tin/Ray
     
    Posted: Sep 10, 2016 By: Cococarb Member since: Jul 12, 2016
  12. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    What personal attacks? You seem to be one who is questioning and attacking. Your statement that Ray spent too much time on a response is bizarre in the extreme, his course doesn't require him to be slaving away at the PC, like it is for many people it's a passive income system that allows him free time to post and enjoy life. But as it's no more from you hopefully this thread can get back on track.
     
    Posted: Sep 10, 2016 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
  13. webgeek

    webgeek UKBF Big Shot Full Member - Verified Business

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    @Cococarb - of all the people on UKBF to try to rile up, you pick Tin, who is arguably the nicest, most decent guy I've ever met on here. You might question his website design/stylistic flair (though mine is no better), but don't even try questioning his ethics or claims of generating the rankings for sites.

    I, for one, have seen enough of what he's done over the past 5-6 years to know he's a friggin' artist with on-page optimisation. Nothing short of top 10 nationally, possibly globally - guaranf******teed.
    I've seen a number of big agencies try to 'improve' upon his work and in so doing torch the site so it went the wrong way in the serps, on multiple occasions. Not noname, fictitious agencies, but big money UK agencies that have an a-list client list.

    Heck, I've tried to better his results and can't do it. If you've ever read my posts you know I hate admitting someone is better than me at anything online marketing related, but in this case, I take my hat off the the guy.

    I regularly remind him that he's got no business selling this education so cheaply, having seen the course myself, because people won't value it in accordance to what it's worth. But hey, he's a dang nice guy, so gofigure.

    In short cococrab, get on yer bike and take a long ride on a short pier - go pick on someone deserving it, like myself - but picking on Tin is just going to confirm what everyone suspected about you - nothing Dale Carnegie would recommend, to be sure.
     
    Posted: Sep 20, 2016 By: webgeek Member since: May 19, 2009
  14. Rymer Associates

    Rymer Associates UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Just watched the video on the homepage and it looks good!! I think it is vital for any business owner to constantly learn and develop their own skill set!
     
    Posted: Sep 20, 2016 By: Rymer Associates Member since: Sep 16, 2016
  15. AWA Training

    AWA Training UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Hiya,

    not logged in for a while, but SEO is something i do need to look at for several sites. So Tin, before i invest (which looking at the feedback i am very keen to do), how applicable is your course to WordPress users, by that, i host the sites myself they are not wordpress.com/domain :)
     
    Posted: Jan 16, 2017 By: AWA Training Member since: Sep 7, 2016
  16. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    It makes no difference if it's wordpress or built with a john bull printing set. The principles apply to all websites.
     
    Posted: Jan 16, 2017 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
  17. Tin

    Tin Just an SEO Staff Member

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    The techniques I set out in the course are for on-page optimisation. They apply whatever platform you are using. As long as you have control over your title, meta data, headers, URLs and content (including images etc) then the course will be a great help.
     
    Posted: Jan 16, 2017 By: Tin Member since: Nov 14, 2005
  18. Pet Nanny

    Pet Nanny UKBF Ace Full Member

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    I think Ray may be embarrassed to see this thread since he has never been one to 'blow his own trumpet'.

    I have met some real sharks in my time and been stung by them, but Ray from Tin Soldier is the most honourable person I know. His courses are well known to be first class and I always recommend them to anyone requiring help with their websites.

    To sum Ray up, he is a real diamond in the rough and I cannot recommend him enough.
     
    Posted: Jan 17, 2017 By: Pet Nanny Member since: May 4, 2007
  19. Ian J

    Ian J Factoring Specialist Full Member - Verified Business

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    Who are you calling a bit of rough :D
     
    Posted: Jan 17, 2017 By: Ian J Member since: Nov 6, 2004
  20. Pet Nanny

    Pet Nanny UKBF Ace Full Member

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    I meant SEO is like surfing a shark infested sea and looking for diamond. Ray (Tin), being the diamond :)
     
    Posted: Jan 17, 2017 By: Pet Nanny Member since: May 4, 2007
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