New government approach : (only the) vulnerable to isolate

Discussion in 'COVID-19 Forum' started by Justin Smith, Aug 2, 2020.

  1. Justin Smith

    Justin Smith UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    Ahh, finally, just announced as a serious possibility by The Sunday Times. The government may be moving, at last, in the right direction, it is trailed as a"nuclear option", but is just a logical strategy, arguably to my mind, the only logical strategy. Everyone over 50 would be given a personal risk rating to Covid and those with a high risk advised to stay at home and everyone else encouraged to just get on with life. I have been saying this right from the start (and criticised for it by many I have to say), but the government realise they cannot keep locking down the country, it's not practical or desirable. Any second rise in the numbers (and I predict it won't ever go as high as it was anyway) should be combated this way, not by any reversion to social distancing and lockdowns. In fact they should junk the face coverings as well in my view, back to normal for the majority should be the mantra. What is interesting is on the radio just now it was surprising how many of these over cautious "experts" were implying this was always going to happen, or words to that effect, talk about jumping on the bandwagon, they never said that before !
    Maybe if they'd done this at the start society and the economy might not be in quite as bad a position as we are.

    Of relevance on a business forum, the problem is for many employers is that they may be put in an awkward position regarding their staff, which is why who pays these vulnerable people (and who decides they are) should to down to the government, not employers.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Justin Smith Member since: Jun 6, 2012
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  2. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    No.
    So those suggesting such options can xxxxxx off.

    Feel free to shield yourself. Do not try forcing it on others. We have enough trouble.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  3. John Hemming

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    So you have changed your mind on lockdowns and think they should be voluntary. No problem with that.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: John Hemming Member since: May 23, 2019
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  4. Mr D

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    Wow, big jump from shielding vulnerable to making lockdowns voluntary.
    That your exercise for the day?

    Has any country done well with voluntary lockdowns?
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  5. John Hemming

    John Hemming UKBF Regular Full Member

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    If we look at countries with a temperate climate (not the hot ones) which have not had lockdowns per se (ie kept bars open etc),but did have some social distancing rules I think Latvia could be said to have "done well".
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: John Hemming Member since: May 23, 2019
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  6. Mr D

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    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  7. John Hemming

    John Hemming UKBF Regular Full Member

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    Not according to this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Latvia

     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: John Hemming Member since: May 23, 2019
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  8. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    @Justin Smith - does this mean everyone under 50 can go to the pub, theatre, concerts, restaurants without any restrictions but those over 50 have to stay at home if declared vulnerable? In theory you are stopping about 30% of the population socialising in public.

    In any case, in many counties the numbers of younger people getting infected is rising. I agree we probably won’t get a spike like before, but a rise is almost certain as the temperature drops. The virus thrives in cool dry conditions.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  9. Mr D

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    And yet your source agrees,
    "New restrictions also prohibit all private arrangements (except funerals), public events, meetings, processions, pickets, indoor sports and religious activities."
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  10. Interestedobserver

    Interestedobserver UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    All the people who oppose lockdown and shout hard for everything to ease seem to fail to grasp that even when lockdown is eased and people can do things they choose not to.

    In most parts of the UK you can pretty much do what you want to be able to do already

    But people look after themselves and choose not to

    UNLESS the opening poster is suggesting people are made to go out and forced to socialise if they are under 50 - it just won't happen

    The OP has a pipedream as to how to solve the crisis

    Pubs complained they couldn't operate with 2 metre distancing as it would only allow 50 per cent capacity

    The rule gets eased and with no rules they only getting 40 per cent revenue when people have choice

    People choose what they do. Easing of every lockdown won't make them do stuff they don't want to do anymore

    We need a reliable vaccine simple as that
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Interestedobserver Member since: Apr 15, 2020
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  11. John Hemming

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    If you can go to the pub or a restaurant at will you are not locked down. A lock down is when people cannot leave their house when they wish. The swedes for example had quite a few restrictions, but not a lockdown. The difference between Latvia and sweden was mainly about protecting care homes.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: John Hemming Member since: May 23, 2019
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  12. Mr D

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    Oh I'm sorry, you didn't define lockdown that way.
    Neither did the media.

    Apparently according to you we haven't had lockdown yet either. I was working and going out, shopping and going out, exercising and going out - about the only thing I was not able to do was go visit my family in a different part of the country.
    Come to think of it, few places have had a lockdown according to you.

    Reality is .... different. May want to get used to that.

    We had a partial lockdown. Parts of it have since been lifted. For now.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  13. Interestedobserver

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    People complain about not being able to attend wedding receptions etc

    Or max of 30 at wedding receptions

    With or without lockdown will weddings ever be the same again without all the generations there to enjoy together?

    That's what weddings are all about - bringing all the family together to celebrate

    The exact opposite of social distancing

    I don't believe families can plan a wedding anywhere near like normal until we are away from Covid

    Anything else will be a pale imitation of a wedding they would have hoped to enjoy

    No lockdown easing will help that

    You won't be able to safely invite grandparents or even parents to your own wedding!!
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Interestedobserver Member since: Apr 15, 2020
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  14. fisicx

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    Not always. A lot of couples get hitched very quietly.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  15. Interestedobserver

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    That's what many weddings are about and what the wedding industry is about. The wedding industry is also a crucial part of the viability of many many Hotels across the UK

    Easing lockdown can't save the wedding industry

    A vaccine could
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Interestedobserver Member since: Apr 15, 2020
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  16. Ian J

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    I think that you are confusing "the right direction" with your preferred direction
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Ian J Member since: Nov 6, 2004
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  17. fisicx

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    So what you really mean is weddings need to be big and public to keep people in business. Nothing to do with families. Maybe this will curb some of the overpricing the wedding industry currently employs.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  18. Interestedobserver

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    It will certainly mean that many Hotels and venues that used to offer large weddings will fail in the next 3 to 12 months

    People pay a lot for weddings due to the amount or people they invite.

    Smaller weddings may have a smaller cost. But per person may well be even more expensive

    Covid won't make many things cheaper. It's likely to do the opposite in many cases
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Interestedobserver Member since: Apr 15, 2020
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  19. Interestedobserver

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    What if you are over 50 but you have teenagers still living with you. Do they have to move out?

    Do you have to stop seeing your kids full stop if you are over 50?
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: Interestedobserver Member since: Apr 15, 2020
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  20. fisicx

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    Doesn't have to. You can still have a great wedding for a lot less.
     
    Posted: Aug 2, 2020 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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