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Discussion in 'General Business Forum' started by Cashmoneymula, Mar 6, 2018.

  1. BusterBloodvessel

    BusterBloodvessel UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Pretty much all of the takeaways are going to need additional drivers at the same time. They all have the same busy periods. Lets say for example:

    - You have 100 drivers on your books, giving them full time work as you say
    - 50 takeaways need 2 drivers each at weekend when they're busy. No problem, at weekends, all your drivers are working!
    - Those 50 takeaways only need 1 driver each during the week. Perfect! They just hire one from you and they save money on a full time wage. That's 50 of your drivers working
    - You are now sat on 50 drivers who are NOT working, but you are paying them a full time wage. How do you pay for that full time wage?
    - One option might be to find an extra 50 takeaways to send those drivers to during the week. Perfect! All 100 drivers are now out working during the week.
    - Come weekend again, and you now have 100 takeaway customers, who all want 2 delivery drivers. You need 200 drivers on your books...and you only have 100!

    I am struggling to see how the maths add up.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: BusterBloodvessel Member since: Jan 22, 2018
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  2. Cashmoneymula

    Cashmoneymula UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Well it seems like my business idea is designed to expand and take over.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Cashmoneymula Member since: Mar 6, 2018
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  3. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Yes but the takeaway is paying you for drivers at a higher rate than you are paying the drivers.
    So why not remove the middleman and they employ the drivers to suit their business needs.

    Pay them fair great - but business has to be able to afford to pay them fair. And if driver wants £8 an hour you'd be charging the business £12 an hour - when the takeaway might only be able to support £7.50 an hour without putting prices up.

    Ever thought the employers prefer part time work? Staff are cheaper.

    You want to employ drivers to lend out to businesses, the cost to those businesses is much higher - so you are adding to their problems of keeping costs down.
    So why would they not cut you out and take on drivers themselves much cheaper?
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  4. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Much cheaper for the takeaway to employ direct (or even use a delivery service as already operates) rather than pay a high hourly rate to you.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  5. Cashmoneymula

    Cashmoneymula UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    because they can't eat more than they can chew, would you rather employ extra drivers and sometimes having them sitting there doing nothing, or pay little extra commission to have a company to give them regular work, and saves you the risk on loosing the driver for not giving enough work in case you only call them when their needed, also for a small extra fee you have the assurance to get the driver covered in any emergency or Christmas or whatever.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Cashmoneymula Member since: Mar 6, 2018
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  6. Cashmoneymula

    Cashmoneymula UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    My charges x takeaway on a scale of 7 drivers a week it will be 1750 pound. Then again it all depends how busy the business is, not all takeaways are the same, some are Soo busy all week long, others only need support on the weekend.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Cashmoneymula Member since: Mar 6, 2018
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  7. Toby Willows

    Toby Willows UKBF Regular Free Member

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    I don’t understand the discussion. We’re simply talking about agency staff. Very many sectors use them including delivery drivers, its nothing new and something most businesses will try to avoid due to the high hourly rate. I can’t see any business exclusively using agency staff.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Toby Willows Member since: Jun 20, 2016
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  8. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    You are wanting the business owners to pay you quite a bit more than they'd pay the drivers though.
    Say a driver makes £7.50 an hour, you'd be wanting say £12 an hour. The driver is as likely to be sat around whichever employs him.
    If the driver is assigned multiple companies to work for of a night then the problem comes the driver is out on someone else's run and not available to take this delivery.

    Whats the advantage of using your driver at £12 an hour cost over using a delivery service where the cost is per delivery?
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  9. BusterBloodvessel

    BusterBloodvessel UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    I wish this forum had a facepalm emoji. What about the scenario I've outlined above? How do you combat that - that almost all takeaways have the same peak periods, without you being able to control when takeaways are busy and need drivers, you can't "iron out" when those peak and quiet periods are. Believe me if takeaways could flatten out their business to a steady stream of the same number of orders day in day out, therefore order supplies and organise staff accordingly...they would do! You have recognised a problem but all your proposal seems to do is take it out of the takeaways hands and put the problem on your own plate!

    You are proposing to pay full time staff to cover hours that fluctuate massively over the course of a working week. You are either going to be massively overstaffed at quiet times, or massively understaffed at peak times. The former will cause an issue for you, the latter for your customers.

    I do wish you the best of luck but I can't fathom this one.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: BusterBloodvessel Member since: Jan 22, 2018
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  10. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    No, its something a business is forced to use more than choosing to use all the time for all the work.
    Unless using agency to weed out staff that can be taken on direct as some bigger employers do.

    Plenty of agencies already supply drivers as needed.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  11. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    7 drivers a week at £7.50 an hour plus employers NI and pension?
    On a 35 hour week that's £1,837. Before you add on NI and pension.
    I can imagine the takeaways grabbing a deal like that if you offer it, you are subsidising them. Considerably.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  12. Cashmoneymula

    Cashmoneymula UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    The only way it's growth, keep growing and growing until just eat buys it and I'm out of here :) companies like this won't get unnoticed and just eat buys everything that makes noise
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Cashmoneymula Member since: Mar 6, 2018
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  13. BusterBloodvessel

    BusterBloodvessel UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Couriers, haulage, coach services, etc...yes. Skilled work, requiring specialist training, possibly needing large numbers of staff at one time and perhaps needing them to work long periods/overnight etc.

    Takeaways? No. Because it is low skilled work that requires little training, no investment in equipment and therefore typically pays low wages. The only skills required are the ability to drive, and count money & change which most of the population have. Nor is there a huge workforce to fill - a typical takeaway might have 3 or 4 drivers. They can be covered with a "bank" of regular staff that want to work, friends, family, other staff inside the business that can "jump in" and do deliveries as required.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: BusterBloodvessel Member since: Jan 22, 2018
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  14. BusterBloodvessel

    BusterBloodvessel UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    You are just trolling now aren't you?
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: BusterBloodvessel Member since: Jan 22, 2018
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  15. Cashmoneymula

    Cashmoneymula UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    No I'm actually being serious, I'm not looking for the long run, the more the company grows and all get company cars with logos and everything, recognition!!!! Everyone will know about it and it will grow vastly and I gurantee you that just eat will make an offer and buy it.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Cashmoneymula Member since: Mar 6, 2018
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  16. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Company cars with logos?
    You really want to subsidise these takeaways.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  17. BusterBloodvessel

    BusterBloodvessel UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Comedy gold.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: BusterBloodvessel Member since: Jan 22, 2018
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  18. Cashmoneymula

    Cashmoneymula UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Well I'm already in the process, first city Glasgow.
    By the way there's no reason to ridicule my ideas, i mean if it works it works, if it doesn't it still will make me richer, the same thing People were saying about my removal company, I'm growing and I will be a millionaire by the age of 30 :)
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Cashmoneymula Member since: Mar 6, 2018
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  19. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    If your idea added up there would be no need to ridicule it.
    You seem to want to do things and not worry about making a loss. Which is scary.
    Or providing a service that adds to a business problems, not solves them.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  20. Toby Willows

    Toby Willows UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Actually I know of at least one company that supplies take away agency staff, so they are out there.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2018 By: Toby Willows Member since: Jun 20, 2016