How to get to the source...?

Discussion in 'Ecommerce Forum' started by mrka, Dec 4, 2020.

  1. mrka

    mrka UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Whilst using alibaba, I assume it's easy for mom and pops to just set up a page and act on behalf of any factory they choose.... from home... acting as an unnecessary middle man...

    How can we make sure we are not dealing with middle men (or women)!?

    Because I bet you most of them are marking it all up by 30%!
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: mrka Member since: Jul 11, 2013
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  2. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Look for stuff with minimum order 25000 or more.
    Then track down the seller.
    Then get someone to visit the seller.

    And you may still not be dealing with the producer of the product!

    Really does it matter to you as a buyer whether you are dealing with a factory or someone partway through the supply chain?
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  3. intheTRADE

    intheTRADE UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Unless you can get over there yourself, use a sourcing agent, someone with feet on the ground in China (I presume China from your other DS post) who can find the source and do the research needed.
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: intheTRADE Member since: Apr 14, 2019
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  4. GraemeL

    GraemeL Pain in the neck? Full Member - Verified Business

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    Exactly. Same as avoiding the use of an agent to try and save a few pounds. They will either add value or (and) reduce risk.
    I have never bought from china without using an agent based in china, nor without visiting the factory. If you are serious that is.
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: GraemeL Member since: Sep 7, 2011
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  5. mrka

    mrka UKBF Regular Free Member

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    OK but let's assume these people posting on alibaba are not agents, don't care about doing good long term business and just out to make a quick markup... it's understanding and knowing how to get past these.
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: mrka Member since: Jul 11, 2013
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  6. mrka

    mrka UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Yes because if this person is marking you up by 20/30% and not adding value then would that be ideal really?
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: mrka Member since: Jul 11, 2013
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  7. intheTRADE

    intheTRADE UKBF Regular Free Member

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    When we say use of an agent, we mean an independent agent not someone selling on Alibaba. Someone who is over in China or at the very least has solid connections there.

    There is one on this forum who will be able to help and advise @MY OFFICE IN CHINA
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: intheTRADE Member since: Apr 14, 2019
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  8. mrka

    mrka UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: mrka Member since: Jul 11, 2013
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  9. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Then bypass them and go straight to the factory. If the factory will deal with you.

    Sometimes the adding value bit is the fact they will deal with you.
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  10. MY OFFICE IN CHINA

    MY OFFICE IN CHINA UKBF Legend Full Member

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    @mrka

    Yes, feel free to PM me.

    I would say the following about Alibaba.

    1. 90% of responses you'll receive will not be from factories. (This will depend on your product category)

    2. Alibaba maybe useful for getting a wide range of information about a specific product, but what sellers tell you during your initial conversations, is not necessarily what you will receive when you order.

    3. A factory does not hold stock. If they say they do, then they are not a factory. (Again, this will depend on your product category)

    4. Dealing with a factory in China is not for the faint hearted, nor for a 'beginner' to importing. Pay an agent their commission to 'guide' you through all the pitfalls associated with buying from China and this will include the following:

    a. Sampling

    b. Supplier Evaluation

    c. Supplier Contract

    d. Branding

    e. Packaging

    f. Quality Control

    g. Verified Certification

    h. Payment Security

    i. Export Documentation

    j. Shipping to UK (or to your door)

    k. After Sales Service

    Finally, working with a bona fide factory, you'll need to adhere to their minimum order requirements.

    It's not for everyone.
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: MY OFFICE IN CHINA Member since: Nov 16, 2011
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  11. mrka

    mrka UKBF Regular Free Member

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    I have 2 years with working with a factory already... but in a different industry.... They are in the "gift" industry. But I don't have dollars to waste and this is why I want to get it right.
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: mrka Member since: Jul 11, 2013
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  12. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Then spend the money to get it right from the start.

    Taking the lessons you already learnt and applying them to different factory.
     
    Posted: Dec 4, 2020 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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