How fake is TV business shows?

Discussion in 'Time Out' started by Nadim.c, Oct 10, 2018.

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Do you think TV is faked?

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  1. Nadim.c

    Nadim.c UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I was thinking hard about this the other day. I remember watching the apprentice a couple of years ago where they made burgers and sold it in London food markets. They seemed to choose places, but surely they need a street trader's license, along with all the health and safety measure? They also did the same with sweets. If it is that simple to sell on the street, wouldn't everyone just do it where they want?

    Don't get me wrong, there are good shows like Homes Under The Hammer, but what do you think?
     
    Posted: Oct 10, 2018 By: Nadim.c Member since: Nov 25, 2017
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  2. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    They'll have all those worked out in advance to be able to sell?

    Can imagine market enforcement just finding the cameras and getting rid of the traders would make for some exciting TV, not sure would do much for 'winning' the task.
     
    Posted: Oct 10, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  3. MBE2017

    MBE2017 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Obviously faked, have seen other types of shows giving the members of the public to go and buy from the tv contestants, no reason to believe the apprentice has any morals about doing the same thing.
     
    Posted: Oct 10, 2018 By: MBE2017 Member since: Feb 16, 2017
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  4. BusterBloodvessel

    BusterBloodvessel UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    I understand it’s just reality tv but it’s always made me wonder when they go selling pies or cakes, meals etc and they “randomly” wander into pubs or restaurants and strike a deal. Surely that’s all set up and the restaurants etc are pre warned or paid to take them?

    I can’t think of many pubs where I’d wander in and go “Hi, I’ve made some ready made curries today would you like to buy 10 and put them on your menu tonight” and they’d actually take me up on it!
     
    Posted: Oct 10, 2018 By: BusterBloodvessel Member since: Jan 22, 2018
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  5. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    You need to become more convincing as a sales person.
     
    Posted: Oct 10, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  6. alan1302

    alan1302 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Obviously it is set up in advance - there would not be much of a TV programme if they didn't mane to get any customers. Most 'reality' TV is planned and often will have parts filmed again to ensure the cameras get the action shots they need.
     
    Posted: Oct 10, 2018 By: alan1302 Member since: Jun 2, 2018
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  7. estwig

    estwig UKBF Legend Full Member

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    It's in glorious Technicolour, of course it's all real!
     
    Posted: Oct 10, 2018 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  8. Noah

    Noah UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    I might be getting you wrong, as I have not watched that programme and I'm not sure what "good" means in this context, but I don't think you can go wrong with this simple logic :

    If "On TV?" = "Yes"
    Then Fake

    let's call it pseudo-code, if you wish to quibble
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Noah Member since: Sep 1, 2009
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  9. Ashley_Price

    Ashley_Price UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Very true! You cannot say anything on TV is realistic, simply because there are too many restrictions and planning that needs to go into it.

    You watch a reality show where, on the spur of the moment, someone dashes in, picks up their keys and goes shopping... in reality, this has had to be planned out hours in advance, as the TV people have to phone the relevant stores and get permission to film.

    Some years ago on The Apprentice, there was a woman and her team who, to promote a product, did a "silly" little dance routine. Apparently, the programme showed the judges sitting there stony-faced. However, it came out later, that the judges actually found the dance routine very amusing, but the show was edited using a shot from another time when they were looking serious.

    Watch any reality show closely and you will see just how much editing is done to make it more entertaining. Say it's a cookery programme, you have the amateur taking their dish up to the "Expert", and often the camera will show them standing there nodding or some other reaction, yet this is before the chef has said anything.

    Those of you who watch The Great British Bake Off - have you noticed that the judges and the contestants wear the same clothes for both days - and it is one of the requirements of being on the show. The reason given is it's for editing purposes. So, that must mean they take shots from one day's filming and edit them into the others! What other reason could there be?

    Even sports are edited for entertainment purposes - look at the furore a few years ago when, during a match between two countries, the cameras focused on a woman in the crowd with tears in her eyes, because her country was losing. One of the commentators said "Don't cry, love, there's still time." It later transpired that the shot of the lady was taken from when her county's national anthem was being played and edited into the match.

    So, take everything you watch with, not a pinch, but a SACK of salt. And remember, television is only there for entertainment, it has nothing to do with reality.
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Ashley_Price Member since: Feb 9, 2008
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  10. Mark T Jones

    Mark T Jones UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    Well, it goes without saying that they are heavily auditioned and edited, so I guess it's just a matter of degree.

    Applying for licences and setting up appointments aren't great TV - watching jumpe-up idiots trying to sell is.

    Except Saturday Kitchen - that actually is live...
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Mark T Jones Member since: Nov 4, 2015
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  11. Ashley_Price

    Ashley_Price UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    I always wonder if live programmes are 100% live. I always assume they are shown, with a few minutes' delay, just in case a major accident or problem happens. That way they can stop it before it's broadcast. With Saturday Kitchen, imagine if a chef had a major accident with the knife?

    Who remembers Derren Brown's "Russian Roulette" show - where he put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger, guessing when it was a blank cartridge and fired at a nearby target, when it was (supposedly) a live bullet? Although the show was done "live" - again it had the slight delay just in case something happened.
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Ashley_Price Member since: Feb 9, 2008
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  12. Mark T Jones

    Mark T Jones UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    The reason I believe that Saturday Kitchen actually is live is that there have been a couple of incidents on phone ins which I'm sure would have been edited out.

    It wouldn't stand up in court though....
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Mark T Jones Member since: Nov 4, 2015
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  13. Ashley_Price

    Ashley_Price UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Oh yes, I agree - but those are only minor things (and let's not talk about the incident where viewers thought they were phoning in to a "live" piece, which had actually been recorded a week earlier). Any normal mistakes or incidents are probably fine.

    However, like I said before, it may be different if, while you have a close up of a chef chopping an onion, he cuts his finger off.
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Ashley_Price Member since: Feb 9, 2008
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  14. The Byre

    The Byre UKBF Ace Free Member

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    It always surprises me how people outside of a business do not understand the fundamentals of that business - and I suppose this thread is witness to that!

    But here's a story from way back when -

    I was doing some freelance work at RTL Television in Cologne back in the 90s and I was in the staff canteen and common room, chatting to somebody from the PR department, when the girl at reception started waving her arms about. We saw her from two rooms away, because all the walls were glass, so that one could look across the entire building, from main switching, to post production, all the conference rooms, canteen, the lot.

    Anyway, she gesticulated that she was switching a call through to the PR guy, so he fished out his phone and said hello. She was making funny screwing gestures and pointing at her own head, indicating that this call could be a bit mad.

    "You want to talk to whom?"
    He switched to speaker-phone, so that the seven or eight others in the room could hear.
    "Schummi! I want to speak to Schummi!"
    "Schummi - who's Schummi?"
    "Michael Schumacher! I have to talk to him!"
    The PR guy put his fingers to his lips, as I was starting to giggle!
    "He isn't here!"
    "Yes he is! I can see him right now. He's right there and I can see him on television!"
    We looked at the live feed monitor on the wall and yes, an old interview with Michael Schumacher was playing. A very broad grin spread across the PR guy's face and I had to sit down and put my hand over my mouth and breath deeply.
    "Well, OK, you've got me. He is here, but you'll have to wait until he's off the air."
    He put the caller on hold and then rushed off to a guy in post-production. They chatted for a short while and then both came back to the canteen. They gestured to others to join them. We all stood about and looked at the live feed. Schumacher came off air and the PR guy handed the phone to the guy from post production.
    "Schumacher."
    "Michael, is that you?"
    "This is Michael Schumacher!"
    "Michael, I have to know how you do it!"
    "Do what?"
    "I have to know how come you are so much faster than all the other drivers. What is your secret? I've watched you drive and you never slip and when you brake, you do a sort of stutter-braking as if you had ABS and I know that F1 cars are not allowed to have ABS or EPS or any of those fancy electronic aids like that, so how do you do it?"
    "You've noticed that?"
    "Yes, I've noticed! I've seen it with my own eyes!"
    "I was hoping nobody would notice! Is it that obvious?"
    "Well I saw it!"
    "OK, you've got me! I have got EPS and ABS, but the chips that do that are implanted in my head. When I put my helmet on and plug it into the car, the programme from the chips is transmitted to the car."
    (At this point, I feared that one of my floating ribs would break free from its moorings!)
    "Wow! I knew it had to be something!"
    "I'm just an ordinary driver, probably no better than you! But please don't tell anyone!"
    "Don't worry Michael! Your secret is safe with me!"
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: The Byre Member since: Aug 13, 2013
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  15. Ian J

    Ian J Factoring Specialist Full Member - Verified Business

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    Many years ago I made a promotional video on behalf of the company that I worked for. The interviewer asked me a number of questions and I was filmed answering them. When we had finished, the cameraman then filmed the interviewer asking the questions all over again and when that was finished they took shots of him nodding sagely and other head and arm movements.

    When edited it looked just like he asked me questions which I answered but that wasn't the way that it happened at all.

    I remember years ago watching a Robert Rodriguez DVD and listening to the commentary. Two of the stars only met for one day with most of the scenes between them shot on two separate occasions and later spliced together.

    When I was young there used to be a saying that the camera never lies. Well it hardly ever tells the truth nowadays
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Ian J Member since: Nov 6, 2004
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  16. The Byre

    The Byre UKBF Ace Free Member

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    That's called "Shooting the Noddies!"
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: The Byre Member since: Aug 13, 2013
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  17. Gordon - Commercial Finance

    Gordon - Commercial Finance UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    When I was at university I worked at a kilt shop through the summers. We got a phonecall one day from a producer from "Cash in the Attic" asking if we had a clan crest plaque that they could "find" in someone's loft. They also wanted to bring it in to the shop after they had found it and film us "experts" appraising its value...
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Gordon - Commercial Finance Member since: Jun 26, 2017
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  18. Gecko001

    Gecko001 UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    TV has always been about show business. The reality shows are no different. The people involved are not professional actors or presenters but they will have been picked to play a part none the less. If they have not had to go through an audition, they will have been visited for a chat before the cameras turn up, to make sure that they will make "good television".

    Why pay actors when you can get members of the public to play a part for free or for a fraction of what an actor would get.
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Gecko001 Member since: Apr 21, 2011
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  19. The Byre

    The Byre UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Actually, they sometimes really are actors, especially in the US. Joe Public tends to do stupid things like look at the cameras, forget their lines, dry-up, need a thousand retakes and brush the body mics.
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: The Byre Member since: Aug 13, 2013
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  20. Gecko001

    Gecko001 UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    Yes I know the shows you mean. The one I am thinking off in particular had a UK version and had a lot of shouting in it.
     
    Posted: Oct 11, 2018 By: Gecko001 Member since: Apr 21, 2011
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