Has anyone had a business that failed?

the_agx

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Hi,

I've been watching shows on entrepreneurs and hearing how some failed, leaving themselves in debt to the tune of £80,000. It seems as if, for most people, we will only get one shot at this.

Or have any of you bounced back? How did you recover from the financial, business, strategic failure? How can you be sure that this new venture is the one?

I guess people have a house, usually a job, maybe a car, possibly a family to upkeep. How were these affected?
 
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yes

Or at least gone down roads which were dead ends.
Yes it can leave you will debts.

But these maybe are a motivation to do better next time.

Although all experiences in life are learning situations, I guess the clever thing is to learn as much as possible from others first. Both from their successes and failures. Its not a guarantee but it stacks the odds in your favour!
 
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I do not agree that you only get one shot - look at the examples of James Dyson and Harland ("Colonel") Sanders.
Similarly ideas/brands/companies do not only get one shot - CocaCola failed under the directions of its founder John Pemberton but soared with the strategies of Asa Candler.

I've experiences 2 failures - and as Christine says - the lessons are the important things:
failure 1. a hugely dominant shareholder (well over 50%) whom the rest of us fell out with - lesson - don't have dominant shareholders - in a venture I'm presently starting 'on the side' we have 48/26/26 % so a 2-1 vote always wins.
failure 2. reality well below lowest expectation / plan - lesson - hope for the best but plan for even worse than the absolute worst and know the 'pull the plug' level at the outset.

I also guess that I've learnt (fortunately not learnt the 'hard way') to ensure that the main business is constantly fuelled whilst I do my little 'on the side' ventures.
 
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Yes. I was partner in a small art publishing business that didn't work - we hadn't realised the vast competition.

We didn't end up with debt, probably because we limited the overheads. (Much of the product was produced was on demand, our main costs were trade show fees, we operated out of an already existing art business premises so had no 'shop' costs.)

I also disagree that you only get one shot. In fact the man I was partner with has run several ventures since, not all successful, but has a thriving chain of art galleries now.

Then again, I have American student loans that will last my lifetime so debt doesn't scare me either. ;)

Tina.
 
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Since going my own way in 2003 I have started or purchased 6 businesses. One failed the rest are still going. The failure did not cost me anything although. I had purchased the business but I made my money back before closing it down. We just absorbed the clients into other businesses.

Being in business, to me anyway, is not about just having one shot at it, I expect to have failures, I expect to get things wrong and yes I expect to lose money.

Obviously you do what you can to stop failure happening but failure is one of the very best lessons you can have.

There are no rights and wrongs in business as so much is defined by the business owner or leader. Those reaching for the stars of financial wealth will have to take great risk with significant financial investment. Others like myself can create wealth without significant financial risk but we do not reach for the stars we enjoy the journey to much to be worried about making money for the sake of it.

Being good at bouncing is essential in business :rolleyes:
 
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The word "failed" has all the wrong connotations and it's generally why businesses grind themselves into the ground and rack up huge debts in the process. They are imprinted with the word "success" so deeply that their spatial awareness of their market and the ability to sell into it that simply escapes them.

Nobody can tell me that one day a business can be trading successfully and profitably, then the next day the Liquidators are arriving to change the locks, so there MUST have been a low slow decline deeper and deeper into insolvency that a blind man and his dog should have easily forseen.

I stopped trading on a business a few years ago based purely upon what the then current marketing data was telling me. It said that the sector I was operating in was being eroded by the diminishing disposable income of the buyers (thank you government), the actual and forecasted increases in raw material costs (thank you stock market), coupled with new trends in technology which would if it continued, would make the product I was selling obsolete. The only intelligent answer to that set of marketing criteria was to shut up shop before it got to the point where the product wasn't viable, or throwing money into new directions with the same inevitable conclusion. I don't see that as a "failure" at all, I see that as a sensible marketing decision and the appropriate action taken.
 
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Vvvvman is right. Definition. My first major business venture was to build up a chain of 6 retails selling mainly sewing mchines and fabric this was in the 1970s and I enjoyed over 10 years of successful trading.

Markets change however and cheap imports of fashional clothes started to hit the shops and markets from the far east amking the cost of buying the pattern & material/trimmgs s twice sometimes three time more expensive making a dress or skirt than buying in the market.

When the competition gets hot the real entrepreneur gets even hotter however and devises promotions. Cuts costs etc but you can only do so much and when you face another double whammy as I did you get out. Around the same time as the imports hit us the old longer leases on high street hops began to run out. New 3 year deals were to become the norm and often at double the rent and the 3 rd whammy.

A new generation of parents unused to the rationing and make n mend of the last war begain to think that home dressmaking was naff.

Did my business. As VVVVman said - definition. In the middle of the cycle it had been worth over £1 million. 12 years or so after I started the biz I surrended the leases on 3 shops. One I managed to sell which paid off the remaining mortgage on my house and together with my first shop went to my wife in a divorce settlement. The final shop Igave to my loyal manageress who had seen me through some ups and downs on cash flow when I first started.

I walked away with nothing but I had learned 3 valuable lessons.

1. Markets do change. Get in and get out while the goings good. The old adage the 7 year itch is a good guide.

2. Loyal staff are worth their weight in gold.

3. Perhaps the most important. If you can create a Million pound company from sratch once then you can bloody well do it again.

A failure then. I don't think so.

I went on 2 create 2 more million pound companies and now I am about to launch another.

Rob
 
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Two valid points made from two eminent people on here. I too have had a business that closed because of the market. I'm in the middle of rebuilding three others and will be probably working for someone soon as well as ( needs must, but I see it as me giving my valued input into helping establish a new business in the area and getting regularly paid for it.)
 
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I too have experienced failure, and yes the impact of this failure impacted not just on myself, but my personnel and family.

The key factor in our failure was the credit crunch and business confidence; after 7 years running a Ltd company we found particular budgets were being decreased or in some sectors being frozen as the economy dipped; obviously these budgets impacted on our pricing model.

Another factor was that businesses in our sector were also falling victim of credit crunch...So the writing on the wall wasn't very encouraging.

The impact of the failure was immense:

Making your workforce redundant isn't the best feeling in the world.

Due to income ceasing - we lost our house.

My wife was also expecting our daughter, so you can imagine the stress of losing your home and income.

But as a family - a positive family we knew that we would have to re-build, despite losing everything we took for granted.

It took just under 2 years - starting from scratch.

The rebuilding process also teaches you a lot.

I'm gradually building my 3rd business now, and I am using what I've learnt - this is what is going to make this new venture a success...when you know what the writing on the wall says or suggests - you can employ strategies that steer you away from the danger signs.

NEVER GIVE UP!!!
 
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WHOOPS.

I said about to create another million pound company. As far as that goes. If I back it into a shell PLC quoted on the AIM next year it will be worth over £5 million but there is another company I also intend to create which will compliment the main one.

Not quite so big but with a net profit of about £250K a year. Set up costs will be minimal and I will be funding starting in 3 - 6 months and it will be a partnership.

You won't be working for someone else for long Bri. You'll be running the seminars with a 50% stake in the company.:D
 
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oldeagleeye

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J & J.

Slightly wrong there. Give up by all means. There is no point in flogging a dead horse BUT NEVER GIVE IN.

Once you have owned you own broom. Who wants to be swept away in someones elses mess.

Incidentally OP. At least 2 Chancellors of the Exchequer had been bankrupt before gaining that position and the once Chairman of theTory party twice bankrupt and imprisoned.

To quote my own mentoir Freddir later Sir Freddie Laker.

You can teach practically anyone how to become a pilot but you can't teach anyone how to become an entrepreneur - its in the blood.

I would add to that 1 And boy oh boy don't we give it sometimes"
 
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First business failed 1965.

I think I learnt most of the lessons from that experience.

Since then had a variety of business's.

some better than others but none failed as I learnt to watch me back.

Fortunately I now have web based business's where the start ups are very low and the risk is pretty easy to establish.

Earl
 
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Yes, various factors though not helped by banks and credit card processors panicing (during their crisis) and pulling the rug from under us.
Managed to salvage parts of the business and go back to basics of where we started and build up again, slowly.
It was my main family income, so ended up having to go back to a 9-to-5 for someone else. Hopefully this is temporary while we clear some of the outstanding debts.
Lessons were learned...
 
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I think the secret of success today is that customers know that they have the power and for them to spend you have to offer added value as well as being competitive and what I mean by added value isn't always a sort of freebe like a pair of socks with a pair of shoes. It is providing 'hassle free'.

In fact. "cost-effective & hassle free" is the tag line of my new biz venture.

Rob
 
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I had a business set up that went terribly wrong after too many thousands spent and too much heartache as well.

Already owning a successful turn-key operation (I go in on pay day once per month), I thought it was time to set up another.

We were awarded the distribution rights to the whole of the UK for an established range of hair care products. I had an uncle knocking about who had just been made redundant, and we got on well, so I invited him to be a part of it too (big mistake).

After the market research period, I got the warehousing sorted, pickers and packers, shipping agents, contracts signed, premises, sales agents. Brought over £10K worth of stock, and life looked really rosy.

There were a few things that weren't quite right with the English translations on some of the products, so I spent a bit of time working with the manufacturer fixing these. In the meantime, I sent my Uncle and my sales agents out scouting for business with their newly designed sales folders and pilot's cases. I also brought my uncle's daughter in to do a bit of telesales and lead generation on a performance related pay schedule.

Within no time, we had over 100 new accounts.

Now, as you know...when you're in business for yourself, you generally don't think about a wage in the early days. You just survive on whatever you're earning outside of the business as you plow every single penny profit back in to expanding what you already have.

My uncle failed to understand that.

He started grumbling that he was finding it hard to live. He started saving his petrol receipts and putting them in the safe, exchanging them for cash. :eek: "Ehm...hello...the money in that safe hasn't even been reconciled yet, and the sales staff are expecting some commissions next week too. We can't afford to take money off the top for ourselves until after we've paid everyone else".

The next thing I know, he tells me one morning that his daughter came around to his house the previous evening complaining that she can't manage on this performance related pay for telesales - she needed to know how much she'd be earning for each day she came in (she was doing this on the side by the way). So he agreed that we'd give her £40 a day. :eek: WTF? £200 a week guaranteed for a girl who rings up for leads for initial sales appointments that have a £10 gross sale (the sample kit)? This was her PIN money. I had previously had her on £2 per lead gained, and like I said, leads were quite easy to come by from the Yellow Pages for these products.

Well, sure enough, her success rate went down to 1-2 per hour from 5-6. Her call frequency dropped as well. The carrot was gone.

Meanwhile, my uncle was absent more and more from the office. He seemed to be "closing" on a specific account for an awfully long time. One night I called in an emergency to ask him if he could come help at the office, but he reluctantly told me he was otherwise occupied having lunch with this particular account i.e. a date. I was livid to say the least. A date? So that's where his boot stock had gone...trying to impress her with his powers as "the director of the company". The following week, he turns up to work with her and actually brings her into the office! Can you believe it? We're trying to work, getting sales, talk about stuff, and we have a customer sat there listening to it all?

Things went from bad to worse. By the time my third shipment arrived, I noticed that a few of the products were labeled as "new improved technology". Now we're talking hair products here, including hair dyes, so "new & improved" is usually good. Not so this time. Our existing accounts complained that the products were now performing dreadfully on certain hair types. :eek: We had so many complaints (and lost accounts) that we took it up with the company, who denied there had been reports from any other worldwide distributors, and suggested our customers were using the products incorrectly.

By the time it came to making my fourth order, I was in a position that I hated going to work. I dreaded it. I hated my uncle. I hated having to call customers who were furious that the products were suddenly failing them. I hated having to sit and listen to the £40 a day call girl waver and vary from the script that had proved so successful. I hated the fact that my Uncle couldn't see that him bringing his new GF to the office 3 times a week wasn't acceptable when we were trying to get this thing off the ground.

And then finally, the Euro plunged from 1.44 to 1.17.

Someone in the universe was trying to tell me that this wasn't going to work no matter what I did. Later that day, my uncle arrived in an agitated state with his new GF in tow. He asked if he could see me in the meeting room. "Sure", I told him. "I'll just finish these commission calculations for the reps tomorrow and I'll be in."

You'd think I had told him to go shag himself! :eek:

He started screaming the place down, telling me that his card was refused at Asda and did I know how embarrassed that made him feel? The previous night he had opened his food cupboards to discover they were bare. What was I going to do about it as I was allegedly the one in control of all the money.

Despite my best efforts to move into another area, he just kept going off on one. I knew there and then that this business, for me at least, was finished.

Later that night, I told my partner and OH (who was doing this with me) that I was finished/done/over.

"What about the stock?" "What about the distribution rights?" "What about the staff?"

I said I didn't care. I'd hold a meeting with them all and explain that due to the problems with the products, we'd be ceasing all activity until they were resolved. I told my uncle the same and suggested he go out and get a job. I emailed the suppliers and told them the same. They replied stating that they actually did have other complaints from some distributors and would look into it, but did we want to take the "non-faulty" products and continue selling those?

:mad:

NEVER AGAIN! NEVER EVER AGAIN!

So there you go. I've actually enjoyed writing this. It's been a few years since all this happened now, but I still know on reflection that I made the right decision to fold that business and cut my financial losses. :)
 
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What do you regard as "Failure", I have lost many thousands of pounds in businesses that did not work out over a long period, but I have also made a great deal from those businesses, so I don't see them as Failures.

If I get to the point where I can't pay the mortgage or buy my wife a birthday persent, then I'll consider myself a failure, until then we McCallums have a clan motto "In ardua petit" - "He has attempted difficult things".

As I prepare a presentation to get another charity a £100,000+ grant, yet another difficult thing, I consider my "Business failures" valuable life experience and carry the lessons learnt on to the next project.
 
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As I prepare a presentation to get another charity a £100,000+ grant, yet another difficult thing, I consider my "Business failures" valuable life experience and carry the lessons learnt on to the next project.

Hi Bill,

How do you get the grants? I have a friend who runs a sports club and is looking for grants for an extention. He's asked me to fundraise, but i haven't got the time to spare. What are the charges for your services?

Cheers
 
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My first business venture didn't get off the ground and owed me about £30k before I decided to wrap it up. After years of planning and with my wife expecting our first child it was a rough time and caused me many sleepless nights.

On the positive side I didn't owe anyone a penny and still had a bit of cash left to try something completely different, which in the end turned out to be the best thing that could of happened.
 
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Hi,

I've been watching shows on entrepreneurs and hearing how some failed, leaving themselves in debt to the tune of £80,000. It seems as if, for most people, we will only get one shot at this.

Or have any of you bounced back? How did you recover from the financial, business, strategic failure? How can you be sure that this new venture is the one?

I guess people have a house, usually a job, maybe a car, possibly a family to upkeep. How were these affected?

1990. Yep lost a large house, had the car reposessed by two thugs, the job went with the company and lost my husband too! Took some years to get over.
Do you get over it, yes but I've learnt a lot too and I havent taken any risks since.
I have been employed ever since and recently have been looking to maybe start up again! Risky possibly, hopefully not:D
 
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Having recently lost my business yep it's all gone (Due to being financially shafted by a family member/business partner) .I blame my self entirely for not keeping a closer eye on things, never again will i go into business with anyone. At the moment I'm still raw from the pounding even though it was over 6mths ago but I've decided anger is wasted energy which is better served elsewhere. I have a few ideas for when the time is right but for now I'm looking for a job .

In business,keep your friends close & your competition even closer.As for family do so at your own risk.
 
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Due to income ceasing - we lost our house.

My wife was also expecting our daughter, so you can imagine the stress of losing your home and income.

What a devastating blow. :(

So what is the process of moving out of your house - in with your parents? A b&b? Do you keep your possessions? Then you have to get enough money to pay off the debts and on top of that, save enough money to move into a new house. Is that how it goes?

How do you convince your wife that entrepreneurship is the way after that blow?

So the most people have lost here is their house and at best, people have lost just their investment and time? So those are the boundaries or extremes, it seems. Well, anyone on this forum has probably made the money back and is now back in a house. I fear that it isn't quite as easy as dusting yourself off and getting back onboard though!!
 
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Quote.

I fear that it isn't quite as easy as dusting yourself off and getting back onboard though!!

Your right and all too often when the biz goes so too does your wife and kids who get the house so it's usually a grotty bedsit and on the pisssss for at least 6 months. Then another year perhaps looking for a new niche market.

I think that there is a big misconception about a business failing in that it is alll to do with the loss of money however. It isn't not as far as most of us are concerned.

I grew up in East London the eldest of 5 children and believe you me life was tough but even them my driving force wasn't money. It was all about affordability and on a modest scale.

At 9 -or 10 for instance and playing with my little balsa wood glider over the park I would dream of one day owning a proper model one with a 3ft wingspan and a little petrol engine. I never dremed that one day I would ever be able to afford to learn to fly a real aircraft let alone own my own aircraft. Well a quarter share anyway.

The thing is it is good to go back to your grass roots now and then because we do end up taking money for granted and the kids of today even more so.

How many 11 year olds don't have a X box and pretty flash mobile phone too. I guess they would take the peeee out of me with my half a crown wood glider.

As at the beginning of this thread then we have to define failure.

My last big venture was creating a mortgage & finance company which was hugely successful until the market dived into negative equity in the early 1990's. I carried on for a few years selling off personal assets because as another member mentioned it ain't easy making loyal staff redundant.

I kid you not fellow members. If that recession hadn't been quite so bad that company would be worth about £25 million today.

Do I regret it's demise now. Not one little bit. I am still alive but if I had carried on living the extravant life of a fat mortgage broker I would be dead by now.

Maybe that is the real secret of being an entrepreneur then. It is all too do with the jazz and feeling alive when you start a new business.

Rob

Excuse any typos. Just had a tear in my eye remembering my little balsa wood glider. Bloody great big black mut came along one day and ate the damned thing. Took me 18 months to save up for the 3ft wingspan model.

rob
 
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What a devastating blow. :(

So what is the process of moving out of your house - in with your parents? A b&b? Do you keep your possessions? Then you have to get enough money to pay off the debts and on top of that, save enough money to move into a new house. Is that how it goes?

How do you convince your wife that entrepreneurship is the way after that blow?

So the most people have lost here is their house and at best, people have lost just their investment and time? So those are the boundaries or extremes, it seems. Well, anyone on this forum has probably made the money back and is now back in a house. I fear that it isn't quite as easy as dusting yourself off and getting back onboard though!!

the_agx

It's a long story, but here's the short version:

Understanding the impact of losing the business, we observed that we could only remain in our property for at least 4 months. During that time we researched the market for renting; the house we lost was a 7 bedroom farmhouse in a quaint hamlet in Cadeby, a couple of miles from Doncaster.(Value £650,000)

Our possessions went into storage (insurance value, nearly £100,000 and personal effects valuation priceless).

This experience gets better (worse). December 1st. Viewed similar property in Lichfield; Rent £1,200 PCM, Moving in date December 23rd - Paid via bankers draft Deposit and Month in advance - a little over £4K.

Owners of property u-turn on renting property.

Ended up in Holiday lets - paying between £300 - £500 per week. Savings reducing, as we have food and other expenditures on top of that too...not only was my wife pregnant...we also have 6 other children to support too.

Christmas wasn't particularly good that year...but we made the most of a drastic situation.

Yes, we lost everything including our worldly possessions...but as parents and business people we understood that due to the economic situation and our own financial situation, it would take time to re-build.

Everyone's story will either be similar or much different, but this is ours.

Running a LTD company, you do employ strategies to protect yourself, but even they have limitations.

When you go into business - you have that feeling of failure, but you lock in a box; it breaks out now and then...but your main focus is on success!!!
 
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GEARING is the percentage to which your business is dependant on borrowings in order to achieve an operating profit. In simple terms. It is usually OK to increase your gearing(borrowings) if say you want to by more stock and you get a bigger discount that can more than repay the extra borrowings and interest.

It is a term rarely used in the SME world so I wouln't get too worried about it otherwise you get into the area of debate where a PLC is concerned as to the pros & cons of increasing gearing as opposed to a rights issue to raise the extra capital.

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