Has anyone bothered to register for EU VAT?

Discussion in 'International Business' started by japancool, Mar 6, 2021.

  1. japancool

    japancool UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    Is anyone here still shipping to the EU and bothered to register for VAT in an EU country?
     
    Posted: Mar 6, 2021 By: japancool Member since: Jul 11, 2013
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  2. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Still shipping to consumers in EU, not VAT registered yet.
    Looking into it, soon to hit limit.
     
    Posted: Mar 6, 2021 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  3. JPMiddleton

    JPMiddleton UKBF Regular Free Member

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    We will be doing when One Stop Shop starts in July, until then we are just sending everything using DDP.
     
    Posted: Mar 6, 2021 By: JPMiddleton Member since: Aug 18, 2011
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  4. nick34785

    nick34785 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    After July will you continue sending DDP for orders above EUR150, or is it possible to include those orders in OSS also?
    I think the big drawback with DDP (especially for higher value orders) is if you get a customer return, then the EU VAT paid is lost.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: nick34785 Member since: May 25, 2014
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  5. lesliedocherty

    lesliedocherty UKBF Ace Free Member

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    We still ship to EU, have the occasional problem with a customer bot wanting to pay customs fees, not registered yet as not at threshold.
    Can't imagine why you would want to ship DDP.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: lesliedocherty Member since: Jun 17, 2006
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  6. nick34785

    nick34785 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    EU customers might not want to buy from you when they need to go to their post office and pay courier fees and vat. And you say threshold, do you mean UK VAT? There is no more threshold for selling to the EU.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: nick34785 Member since: May 25, 2014
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  7. lesliedocherty

    lesliedocherty UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Why would i want to pay the £23 courier processing fee then up to 14% duty for a customer, customers from outside the EU neve expected this, i think people will get used to the charges and accept them.
    They will be willling to pay them for hard to find items, otherwise they will ship locally.

    I can also see the brands getting strict with this, we currently have half our brands not allowing us to ell out side the EU, so interestedto see at the next set of meetings how this has changed.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: lesliedocherty Member since: Jun 17, 2006
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  8. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Indeed - either the customers buy within the EU or they buy from outside and accept the cost of importing.
    Some of the stuff I sell to EU buyers the only places to buy from are UK or USA. They can moan about import costs from UK or moan about the exact same import costs from USA and have higher shipping costs too.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  9. nick34785

    nick34785 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Don't quite understand why you don't want to do everything to make it easy for the customers to buy. But, great for you if you want to sell only to the UK.

    I'm looking at options either to set up a EU company and/or EU warehouse or ship DDP.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: nick34785 Member since: May 25, 2014
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  10. Guy Incognito

    Guy Incognito UKBF Regular Free Member

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    We set up a warehouse in the EU in November to deal with this issue.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: Guy Incognito Member since: Aug 2, 2016
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  11. nick34785

    nick34785 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Actually we did also, in Germany. But turns out we can't get any goods into Germany now, so looking at other options.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: nick34785 Member since: May 25, 2014
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  12. lesliedocherty

    lesliedocherty UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Theres a difference between making it easier and paying the 14% duty for them.

    Making it easy for the customer is collecting the duty at point of checkout and then sending it DPP, thant makes sense, not just paying it to get the business.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: lesliedocherty Member since: Jun 17, 2006
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  13. japancool

    japancool UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    So you could do that.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: japancool Member since: Jul 11, 2013
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  14. JPMiddleton

    JPMiddleton UKBF Regular Free Member

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    I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t want to personally, but we all operate differently. Our EU sales have almost trebled on last years (already decent) EU sales, whilst keeping the same margin. So I’m happy with that, and whilst it’s obviously not all down to DDP (natural growth and new products) - it does mean that’s it’s been almost seem less and we haven’t lost our on too many sales, though we may have lost a few - who knows.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: JPMiddleton Member since: Aug 18, 2011
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  15. JPMiddleton

    JPMiddleton UKBF Regular Free Member

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    That’s the plan, DDP for over €150 only.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: JPMiddleton Member since: Aug 18, 2011
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  16. nick34785

    nick34785 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    What handling fee do you pay for DDP? I'm still waiting for royal mail to offer DDP.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: nick34785 Member since: May 25, 2014
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  17. JPMiddleton

    JPMiddleton UKBF Regular Free Member

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    £6 to DHL- which is much better than it would be when it arrives. As far as I can tell it ranges from €11 to €18! We are also planning on expansive it to Canada, but the taxes seem a bit more complex so haven’t done so yet.
     
    Posted: Mar 7, 2021 By: JPMiddleton Member since: Aug 18, 2011
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  18. lesliedocherty

    lesliedocherty UKBF Ace Free Member

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    I can't, not set-up for that level of complexity.
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2021 By: lesliedocherty Member since: Jun 17, 2006
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  19. DefinitelyMaybeUK

    DefinitelyMaybeUK UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    That's a grand deal you've got and no doubt for quite a high shipping number - as the majority of our parcels go RM (under 2Kg), DHL seem to want £16 for DDP admin and a £4.50 minimum 'brexit' charge :eek:
     
    Posted: Mar 8, 2021 By: DefinitelyMaybeUK Member since: Jan 12, 2021
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