Gaming computers, graphic cards, etc.

Discussion in 'Time Out' started by UKSBD, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. UKSBD

    UKSBD Not a real duck Staff Member

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    My lad likes his gaming, not a serious gamer but likes playing Destiny, Overwatch, etc.

    He's moaning that is current PC (especially the graphics card) aren't good enough to play the games.
    (It's a 5 year old HP which cost about £400 when I bought it)

    What sort of price range should I be looking at for something that will be suitable for him?

    Looking at some graphics cards it appears £250 is the minimum you should spend really for good gaming experience, is that true or are cheaper ones more than suitable?

    Budget is about £700 but want to spend less if suitable for him

    Any idea, suggestions, etc.
     
    Posted: Nov 8, 2018 By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  2. UKSBD

    UKSBD Not a real duck Staff Member

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    Posted: Nov 8, 2018 By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  3. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    For a gaming system? 3 or 4 grand.
    And make it VR capable.

    However for a decent system for playing games a similar price to what you paid years ago will work and can upgrade bits as needed over next few years.
    Could upgrade in bits with your current system but would effectively be replacing all the components, would not bother on an old system.

    The graphics cards you see today at 250 will be a lot cheaper in a year or two. And will usually fit systems sold today without much trouble.
     
    Posted: Nov 8, 2018 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  4. alan1302

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    Posted: Nov 8, 2018 By: alan1302 Member since: Jun 2, 2018
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  5. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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  6. UKSBD

    UKSBD Not a real duck Staff Member

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    He says that's just below what he says is minimum :-(

    That's i3 he want i5
    Card is 1050 Ti HE WANTS 1060 Ti
    That's standard hard drive he wants SSD

    I configured this - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/[email protected]/Z~btlM2#?2

    Just need to see what I can lose to knock £250 off it :-(
     
    Posted: Nov 8, 2018 By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  7. UKSBD

    UKSBD Not a real duck Staff Member

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    I think the ones I'm looking at are the 2 year old ones
     
    Posted: Nov 8, 2018 By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  8. Cobby

    Cobby UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Get him an i5, 8gb, SSD and the GFX card should be minimum 980gtx; if you get him a decent 1080p monitor then he'll be able to manage most games pretty well at 1080p and there's no need to go super high-cost on the GFX card.

    If he really likes competitive gaming, also get a decent corded mouse like a razer or logitech.

    Also consider second hand from early adopters...
     
    Posted: Nov 9, 2018 at 6:25 PM By: Cobby Member since: Oct 28, 2009
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  9. UKSBD

    UKSBD Not a real duck Staff Member

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    That's basically what I was looking at.

    I tried the configurator here - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/intel-sff-gaming/
    and it still comes out at about a £1000 :-(

    Edit to add: and that's without monitor or keyboard
     
    Posted: Nov 9, 2018 at 10:37 PM By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  10. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Perhaps get something basic (can get a LOT cheaper than a grand) and then upgrade memory, graphics card etc.
    In 3 weeks is Black Friday, some deals could be had that may not be available over the next week.
     
    Posted: Nov 9, 2018 at 11:07 PM By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  11. UKSBD

    UKSBD Not a real duck Staff Member

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    Posted: Nov 10, 2018 at 11:12 AM By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  12. WhizzPeople

    WhizzPeople UKBF Regular Full Member

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    I am sure for a gaming PC with a decent graphics card, you have to spend more than £1000. Last year, I bought a PC featuring 1080 ti 11 GB over £2k from scan.co.uk - try the website with the different price range.
     
    Posted: Nov 10, 2018 at 8:19 PM By: WhizzPeople Member since: Aug 24, 2008
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  13. UKSBD

    UKSBD Not a real duck Staff Member

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    That's the problem - Other people have different opinions on what's decent.

    He only plays on things like Destiny, Overwatch, etc. and doesn't need it to be VR compatible or anything.

    It reminds me of when I bought my 1st laptop, you start at about £500 but as you go down the list adding things that are only about £20/50 more you end up spending £1000 :-(
     
    Posted: Nov 10, 2018 at 8:33 PM By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  14. Inva

    Inva UKBF Regular Free Member

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    1K should be more than enough for the box. Buy parts and have the shop assemble them, as that is cheaper and also better.

    Cheap version can be a Ryzen APU. Would not buy Intel CPU, too expensive. GTX 1050 TI/1060 is enough, more is paying for bragging rights.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, if you do decide on Intel (not recommended!!!) do not buy anything less than i7 as they've got single threads per core which sucks big time. Ryzen 1600 is the best as it's got the good cooler, or 2400G with the APU, saves you from buying a graphics card but it's only for light gaming.
     
    Posted: Nov 11, 2018 at 12:30 AM By: Inva Member since: Aug 10, 2018
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  15. Inva

    Inva UKBF Regular Free Member

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    If you need help PM me
     
    Posted: Nov 11, 2018 at 12:40 AM By: Inva Member since: Aug 10, 2018
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  16. Cobby

    Cobby UKBF Ace Free Member

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    It's been a while since I spec'd any systems so I hadn't seen the Ryzens and they're well regarded for mid-tier stuff.

    For a mid-level gaming experience, the 2400G will run a 1080p monitor at mid-detail without the need for the additional graphics card, and any older games will run at higher details quite sufficiently.

    Slamming in a decent nVidia card will add an extra £250 to your build but that's 4k gaming sorted for a couple of years and if you're going to do that, you might as well splash out for an 8th gen i7 as well to balance out the extra power, but that's pushing your budget over £1000

    Also note that paying a bit extra for a decent PSU can eliminate a lot of transient problems with other components, but it depends on what your system is.

    For all hardware (1080p monitor, kb, mouse, case, mb, psu, cpu/gfx, ram, ssd, and a set of 2.1 speakers) I'd say about £800-£850 and that'll do you for 2 or 3 years. Don't forget to put Windows10 on top of that, but there are budget routes available for that, too.
     
    Posted: Nov 11, 2018 at 12:07 PM By: Cobby Member since: Oct 28, 2009
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  17. UKSBD

    UKSBD Not a real duck Staff Member

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    I'm I understanding correctly?

    The Ryzen APU is a combination of processor and graphics card?

    So if you get a good APU you don't need an extra graphics card

    If so, why are they so cheap?
     
    Posted: Nov 11, 2018 at 1:23 PM By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  18. UKSBD

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    Posted: Nov 11, 2018 at 1:43 PM By: UKSBD Member since: Dec 30, 2005
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  19. Cobby

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    If it has a 'G' at the end, yes, it includes an integrated graphics chip. Otherwise it's just an AMD processor.


    There's a very big discussion behind this, but essentially AMD are Intel's competitor in the desktop CPU market and offer a better value product. They have a different architecture so excel at different things but for a mid-level gaming PC it's not really going to matter. Bear in mind that the integrated GFX won't be as good as a dedicated card (hence the cost) and you can't upgrade it without swapping out the CPU as a unit.


    There's a lot of messing about in the margins you could do to try and tweak the system (e.g. adding/subtracting minor increments to the parts) but I can't see any big gotcha moments in that. With the 1050Ti and the Ryzen, your CPU will bottleneck before the graphics card does but for mid-level 1080p gaming it shouldn't be a big issue.

    @Inva ?
     
    Posted: Nov 11, 2018 at 3:03 PM By: Cobby Member since: Oct 28, 2009
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  20. Inva

    Inva UKBF Regular Free Member

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    It is correct, an APU is a combination of CPU and "integrated" graphics card. Intel has these too but their integrated graphics are very weak.

    I would not call them cheap, as you can only do light gaming with them because of heat issues. They only seem cheap because crypto-miners have been hoarding graphics cards for mining and their price has skyrocketed in the last years.

    Also you are limited to 4cores/8threads as there is not enough physical space to fit in more with integrated graphics and from what i read it will remain so for the at least the near future. Another thing, a proper graphics card will have its own RAM, while an APU will use the system's RAM.

    Btw Ryzen stuff are generally a lot cheaper than Intel (and better?). With Intel you also have to buy a cooler and generally you get less cores with higher clock. The higher clock could be better for gaming but it will have lower performance if you have a lot of programs open.

    I would go for Ryzen 1600, last i checked (2 months ago) was still by far the most VFM CPU. Performance is similar with 2600 and it has the better cooler. I would skip the 1050 Ti and buy either 1050 or 1060 as the price difference between 1050 Ti and 1060 is not that great.
     
    Posted: Nov 12, 2018 at 12:34 PM By: Inva Member since: Aug 10, 2018
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