Employing in Philippines - I'll never hire in UK again.

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  1. opamop

    opamop UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I will to try to point to you on Eastern block(Estonia, Latvia, -cheapest is Ukraine, Belarus, then Poland and Russia. Because i am from that places, i am defenately sure, that it is closer, work ethics even better, cause people motivated to do job properly or you will not pay. In that countries salaries sometimes no paid by months. So stable income - all what they looking. And if they are programmers or webdesigners - they are talented and crazy about it. The law in that countries gives you massive freedom like employer.
    Me personally had been working in one design studio, now i am even thinking just represent them here, because they quality - awesome. If you really need serious talented people to rely and to speak with them on good english, I am open to discuss it. They do flash-php websites, printing products of all kinds. They are n1 in my back country.
     
    Posted: Mar 17, 2011 By: opamop Member since: Mar 17, 2011
  2. bdw

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    What an offer, eh?

    As we say in Scotland "Haud me back!"


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    Posted: Mar 18, 2011 By: bdw Member since: Aug 13, 2008
  3. monthlylocal

    monthlylocal UKBF Regular Free Member

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    What are peoples thoughts on outsourcing telesales activities to the Philippines? Is the accent too strong for UK telesales?

    I don't have anything too difficult in mind, just offering an invite to a free event.
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: monthlylocal Member since: Nov 20, 2008
  4. RadiusBPO

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    Their accent is almost American, interview a few and see what you think.
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: RadiusBPO Member since: Jun 11, 2010
  5. monthlylocal

    monthlylocal UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Where is the best place to advertise for someone? Why the likes of skype, telemarketing offshore should be easier than in the past, i just worry about the quality.
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: monthlylocal Member since: Nov 20, 2008
  6. TailorMade

    TailorMade UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I have to say this has been one of the best threads I have come across on UKBF for a long time! Well done OP for raising and tackling an issue which is probably one of the single most important challenges faced by UKPLC in the years ahead.

    So many opinions and for the first time I have seen a real groundswell of people in the UK who are small businesses that know hiring in the Philippines (and other developing countries) provides significant benefits to their bottom line).

    UK Government, along with Social Policy think tanks in the UK, the US - and other "developed" countries really need to wake up and smell the coffee on this issue. This dramatic shift in work patterns, the potential offered by the internet and labour exchanges like freelancer.co.uk in enabling small businesses to tap into lower cost labour on the other side of the planet in minutes - and to dip in and out of this labour pool as and when required is going to be huge. Its impact will be profound. The challenge is for UKPLC to accept, embrace and harness this opportunity - and not get left behind!

    Right now - 70% of the world's population still aren't online. They are connecting - fast - and one of the first things these people are doing online is looking for opportunities to increase their lot in life, to raise their level of income and to support their families.

    The reality of the next few decades is that work will no longer be a physical place such as an office - it will be something people do - where they want to, when they want to.

    Small businesses and individuals need to look after themselves and carve their niche in this new economic world. You need to do what's best for you and your family. If that means hiring labour in the developing world - then, absolutely, you should do so.

    Yes this will pose budget issues for the government - less money for them to spend on marketing and advertising, less money to spend on the military and bureaucrats, less money even for the NHS and Education. Certainly less money for foreign aid and propping up dictators. Let the people decide where their money goes - better to hire a VA in Egypt and put the money straight into their hands, then to send billions to the regime to pay for luxury London mansions and holiday homes.

    Globalisation and outsourcing doesn't need to be bad news for UKPLC. The challenge in the UK is to see this as an opportunity, to capitalise on it and use it to our advantage. To be at the forefront of an inevitable global trend, to lead the way not follow up the rear.

    Having access to this global pool of talent at the click of a button paves the way for a new creative boom and revolution in the UK. An entrepreneur can now come up with a great business idea and have it up and running for very little cash outlay. The powers that be need to act now to raise aspirations in the UK - to improve the education system and stop failing future generations. Give them the skills, tools, knowledge and passion to succeed in the new world.

    Its not all about opportunities for entrepreneurs either. A UK based graphic designer can tap into the labour force to take on an understudy in the Philippines or elsewhere who can take on the more mundane elements of their work - short-listing images from stock libraries for example - this enables said designer to use their time more effectively, to nurture relationships with clients, to seek out new clients and to focus on the aspects of their business they love - design and creativity.

    A web development firm can do much the same - take on juniors overseas to handle the run-of-the mill activity while they focus on project management, maintaining client relationships and getting things done.

    If we look on the other side of the fence, 1m people leave the Philippines each year in search of work - mothers leave children, husbands leave wives. Many head to the Middle East to take up roles as domestic helps, drivers, or in what was a booming construction sector.

    Now, sites like Freelancer.co.uk together with British businesses are reversing this trend. A well qualified person in the Philippines can take advantage of the internet and use their skills while not only staying in the Philippines - but staying in the comfort of their own home - watching their children grow each day, seeing their family flourish - at the same time they have the opportunity to earn far more then they would working 18 hours a day in Dubai as a maid, or 12 hours a day on a construction site. This means that not only are Western businesses saving money - but you are giving people fresh hope and opportunity. People who earned less than $10 a day can now earn between 3 and 10 times that while UK entrepreneurs can still get work done for 40 - 90% less than you would pay in the UK - that's a win - win for everyone in my book.

    I am really excited about the future. Its not going to be easy for this Island nation to adapt, to lead the way and to make sure nobody gets left behind. But you only control your little piece of the equation.

    UK Gov needs to handle the bigger picture. Do what's best for you and your business and let the think tanks and policy people work on balancing the books and making sure disadvantaged people get a fair lot. If that means more taxes on businesses, tightening up loopholes which see multi-billion corporates paying pennies or less in taxes and even trimming back even more quangos - then needs must.. we need to not only survive - but thrive in this new world and that means acting now to embrace and take advantage of the opportunities.
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: TailorMade Member since: Sep 15, 2010
  7. monthlylocal

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    Good post TM. Is freelancer the best site to advertise on?
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: monthlylocal Member since: Nov 20, 2008
  8. TailorMade

    TailorMade UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I would like to think so - but I am biased - my job is to make it that - I head up UK operations for Freelancer. Should have made it more clear by signing off my post, sorry.

    There are other sites, but Freelancer has the most diverse and active user base.
    Try it - would love to hear your feedback.
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: TailorMade Member since: Sep 15, 2010
  9. monthlylocal

    monthlylocal UKBF Regular Free Member

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    I did try to post earlier. Will PM you.
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: monthlylocal Member since: Nov 20, 2008
  10. TailorMade

    TailorMade UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Reply on its way..
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: TailorMade Member since: Sep 15, 2010
  11. TailorMade

    TailorMade UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Not a legal hell hole at all - they are freelance contractors, subbies, whatever - they work for themselves and resposnible for all the taxes and stuff their side - you are just paying an invoice for services provided - couldn't be easier - way simpler than hiring someone in-house and you save a packet on HR, Admin, Office Space, NIC's, Insurance, the list goes on..
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: TailorMade Member since: Sep 15, 2010
  12. OldWelshGuy

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    her Majesties government and many others across the globe have pushed businesses into making the choice between employing in the UK and employing offshore.

    If there was a LEGAL alternative to petrol/diesel at a far lower cost, I am certain people wouldn't think twice and would use it, whatever it was, and as long as it was safe etc.

    Yet when people employ offshore others scream and shout FOUL!
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  13. Dawg

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    Lets imagine, for a moment, that the doomsayers are right, and that outsourcing employment overseas will cause massive unemployment here, with a consequent collapse in consumer demand and both company and personal taxation revenue for the government decreasing markedly.

    The Welfare State, (the one we borrow 25% to pay for at the moment) will become unaffordable. People will have to work to live without the security blanket we used to be able to afford. Competition for jobs will force rates down, at least in the freelance and informal markets.

    And those children in the UK lucky enough to benefit from our expensive, encompassing but not necessarily effective education system will secure outsourced work from places like China, Korea, India and some others.

    So, outsourcing now should ensure our kids' kids have work.
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: Dawg Member since: Feb 12, 2006
  14. TailorMade

    TailorMade UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    @Dawg - too true. There was an article in a recent issue of Time magazine which espoused the same view - yes some jobs (often the ones people in the UK don't want to do - or can't compete for on a global stage) will go overseas - but as India, China, Philippines and other countries increase their disposable income - they will become consumers - of products, services and goods which the UK, the US and other developed nations produce or own the intellectual property for. Nike Trainers, Levi Jeans, Apple Computers and so on (yes - all American) but there is also room for the likes of Neal's Yard, Reggae Reggae Sauce, King of Shaves, Molton Brown and any other UK retailers and manufacturers to get a piece of the action be it through online or bricks and mortar operations. There is nothing stopping UK entrepreneurs thinking out of the box and saying hmm, yeah so why don't I setup an operation in the Philippines which will meet the needs of these consumers, or go into business with a Philippine entrepreneur to get my product, idea, business to market over there. The world doesn't revolve around the UK - and just as our jobs can go abroad - so can our businesses - even small ones - its not just GE, HP and Microsoft that can get a global footprint anymore - think beyond our borders - there's a pretty good chance that's where your future income lies.

    What's more - this new class of consumer will want to learn English (TEFL jobs galore - China is massively hungry for English teachers, as is Indonesia to highlight just two example) - so, lets stop thinking in such a protectionist and insular way about things - its real, its happening - deal with it - some jobs will go - but new opportunities are there for the taking..
     
    Posted: Apr 14, 2011 By: TailorMade Member since: Sep 15, 2010
  15. adam1987

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    I have been living and working in Asia for over 4 years now.

    I formed a company in the UK a few years ago... 5 months after i decided all of the costs and regulations was too much for a start up. I disolved it and formed a Hong Kong company.

    I now have staff in the Philippines and China and also able to hire freelance workers in the UK.

    IF i did NOT relocate my business to Asia, its quite likely that my business would have failed and i would not be hiring anybody and I could have been another unemployed on the system.
     
    Posted: Apr 22, 2011 By: adam1987 Member since: Dec 30, 2006
  16. bdw

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    I am not an economist so I find it difficult to understand how taking money out of the UK economy and sending it to people in third world countries is a win win
    for me?

    My world revolves around the UK and depends on it's prosperity. No matter how you try to twist it, it's totally wrong to suggest that any more than a very limited number of business people in the UK would ever benefit from moving jobs abroad. In fact it's not just wrong it's ludicrous.

    We cannot all teach English in China. :rolleyes:

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    Posted: Apr 23, 2011 By: bdw Member since: Aug 13, 2008
  17. OldWelshGuy

    OldWelshGuy UKBF Legend Staff Member

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    BDW read the post above, it is clear, had that emlpoyer not moved abroad, they would not be contributing anything to your economy and would in fact be a drain on your economy.
     
    Posted: Apr 23, 2011 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  18. atmosbob

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    But someone else would!

    A business set up near me a few years back with 3 shops. They specialised in buying stock at bankrupt auction sales at dirt cheap prices and selling very cheap. They managed, by their tactics, to put over a dozen long-standing shops out of business. Everyone buying cheaply abroad is making it harder for local business to survive.

    I import from Italy, not because its cheaper but because I get the best quality and service there.
     
    Posted: Apr 23, 2011 By: atmosbob Member since: Oct 26, 2009
  19. OldWelshGuy

    OldWelshGuy UKBF Legend Staff Member

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    But you import? so does that make you a better class of importer then? Sorry i don't get it.

    The argument here has to be brought down to its most basic form and that appears to be that importing is bad!

    or

    If I am wrong can someone explain the difference between importing goods, and importing services, because to me theya re one and the same.
     
    Posted: Apr 23, 2011 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  20. bdw

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    I did read it and the logic defies me. Moving business and jobs abroad is damaging to the vast majority of people in the UK.

    Granted some business people will do alright thank you but that is all. I don't have the answers and you guys can try to justify and spin this all you like but all outsourcing abroad does for the majority of people affected by it here in the UK is put them on the dole.

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    Posted: Apr 23, 2011 By: bdw Member since: Aug 13, 2008
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