Doing biz with a Nigerian client - what are the risks

Discussion in 'International Business' started by Sparklez35, Jun 23, 2010.

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  1. OldWelshGuy

    OldWelshGuy UKBF Legend { Moderator }

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    You said it yourself, 2 wrogns don't make a right. so would you rather this thread be deleted and all record removed?

    Charging someone £12k and outsourcing it isn't illegal, it is a morality issue, and one that the OP has laid bare for the world to see (including her potential clients).
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  2. OldWelshGuy

    OldWelshGuy UKBF Legend { Moderator }

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    man this is difficult. :)

    I did say STOP and read your posts. You said these people are free to go elsewhere if they believe they are being overcharged THESE PEOPLE! the ones YOU are talking about The same ones wwe are discussing in this thread, the ones who are proposing to pay you £12k for a job you can get outsourced for £400.

    I asked WHY would they NOT be going elsewhere, WHY YOU?, why are they using your services?

    How did they contact you initially by the way? do you ahve the original email?

    PLEASE understand that I am not having a go here
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  3. Sparklez35

    Sparklez35 UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Because the job requires very specialised knowledge in a particular field (nothing to do with IT & not discussing it here) and be an experienced and qualified (post grad) project manager wrapped into one. He is the only one with both sets of academic qualifications, but he doesnt have the time to do the work personally so he will stand as project manager and select coders in Chennai who has the necessary experience and knowledge to do the work under his guidance.

    Outsourcing coders is not new to us, we do it all the time with call-centre software software development, staff training and building works. I think some commentators see it to be an unethical biz practice.

    Via website and yes.
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Sparklez35 Member since: Sep 30, 2008
  4. Zeno

    Zeno UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Flogging a dead horse mate.

    She will be back with a post in the legal forum entitled "Help" and most likely followed by a series of rants against the banks, the government & Jesus for allowing this misfortune to befall her.
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Zeno Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  5. papverpoppies

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    Great, thanks for that!

    Nice to know that ethics are treated with such respect - not much point really is there, if I am treated the same as someone who is willing to try and rip someone off (however they try and window dress it).

    Poppy xx
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: papverpoppies Member since: Apr 8, 2009
  6. captaincloser

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    I Googled the word Troll to see if I was offended and if you can believe Wikipedia I think most Scandanavian Trolls would be deeply offended themselves that they have been included in this rant by the flagrant OP .

    Trolls have heritage, passion, integrity and mostly much higher standards than this thread.

    Oldeagleeye might be a Troll in disguise and therefore clearly offended :)
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: captaincloser Member since: Mar 20, 2010
  7. OldWelshGuy

    OldWelshGuy UKBF Legend { Moderator }

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    The reason I asked is that it might be prudent to search for a couple of text strings from that email to see if anything untoward turns up. Due dilligence and all that. Search for people names, search fro company names .
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  8. LicensedToTrade

    LicensedToTrade UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Great idea, in fact grab a specific sentence and put speech marks either side of it and then search for it, it will search for that exact phrase in that exact order.
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: LicensedToTrade Member since: Nov 7, 2009
  9. papverpoppies

    papverpoppies UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Accepted, and I am sorry for getting on my 'high horse'!

    Poppy xx
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: papverpoppies Member since: Apr 8, 2009
  10. OldWelshGuy

    OldWelshGuy UKBF Legend { Moderator }

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    Nothing wrong with putting on the white suit getting on your horse and charging off to war :)
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  11. Sparklez35

    Sparklez35 UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    All done, the bank did the credit search on the company and there is no UK trading history available, and as such, the bank says to take a BACS 50% advance and 50% at sign off.

    I came to this forum to see is anyone else had experience on doing biz with nigerian clients. Im not impressed with the impertinence of some of the contributors. I cant see how a comment like this remotely answers the question.

     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Sparklez35 Member since: Sep 30, 2008
  12. OldWelshGuy

    OldWelshGuy UKBF Legend { Moderator }

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    I was replying to a previous post the one I quoted in my reply, it was not directly related to your original question.

    Ask your bank what would happen if it later turned out that the money transferred to your account was transferred illegally. I have heard of people who have been conned having had the money come in, and as long as 6 months later had the transaction reversed, and them left holding the baby with a whopping great loss of cash.

    I will say that people have offered advice, but sadly this thread has deteriorated into trench warfare with people shooting at anything that moves,(as your post I am replying to demonstrates).

    Good luck with this client, and good luck with keeping hold of the profits made from the job, let us know how it goes, so you can either say 'hah you were all wrong, or 'unfortunately you were all right', either way, I hope it all turns out right in the end.
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: OldWelshGuy Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  13. Dominic Taylor

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    We have clients all over the world including Nigeria, India, China, various African countries etc however if the scenario here turns out to be legit, I'll eat my hat and post pictures of me doing so!
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Dominic Taylor Member since: Jun 19, 2008
  14. Sparklez35

    Sparklez35 UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    We are going to follow the banks lead on the money transfer aspect of the job, and the bank will contact the Nigerian sending bank to authenticate the transaction. If its then reversed, it cant. This is because the money will have been moved and probably absorbed into working capital.

    The advice I came here for was about sharing experiences of doing biz with Nigerian clients. It seems I am accused of 'ripping' clients off due to the profit margin. Its not uncommon in IT where a developement contract is offshored.

    The way I percieve it, we have little to lose. We have all the necessary precautions in place, a willing client who has seen examples of my husbands work and spoken to exisiting clients, satisfied with his academic qualifications (I understand checking a contractors academic quals is standard business practice in Nigeria) and is keen to be moving forward.

    This forum has made us aware how Nigerian money transfer scams work and we have protected ourselves if something goes wrong. There was no need for these accusations of trying to rip someone off or trying to out-fox somebody.
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Sparklez35 Member since: Sep 30, 2008
  15. Sparklez35

    Sparklez35 UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    We have never had a Nigerian client before, Tell us why this Nigerian client might not be legit?
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Sparklez35 Member since: Sep 30, 2008
  16. Zeno

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    Ah, classic. It could almost be a stereotype of a scammer's wet dream of a victim.

    Greedy, naive and unbelievably arrogant. There must tens of thousands of web designers in the UK but they come to you all the way from Nigeria? Must be quite a portfolio you have.

    But never mind, you are obviously too clever to get scammed...
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Zeno Member since: Jun 12, 2008
  17. Sparklez35

    Sparklez35 UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I thought the thread says: - Doing biz with a Nigerian client - what are the risks.

    Nothing about whether ot not we should proceed with a contract.

    My post didnt even ask the question.
     
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    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Sparklez35 Member since: Sep 30, 2008
  18. Sparklez35

    Sparklez35 UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    If you read the thread, its nothing to do with portfolio.

    The client selected us for other reasons than just being some web developer, infact web development has never been our principle product.
     
    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: Sparklez35 Member since: Sep 30, 2008
  19. LicensedToTrade

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    Zeno, but her husband has academic qualifications! Weren't you reading silly? :D
     
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    Posted: Jun 24, 2010 By: LicensedToTrade Member since: Nov 7, 2009
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