Cornish Photography - Have i got a chance???

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  1. Cornish Photography

    Cornish Photography UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Hello, Im Lawrie, Photographer living in Penzance, Im starting college this september, im a self taught photographer, will let you know when i finish the site, Im not like most photographers Im selling my ones as little as £2.00 per print delivered - worldwide. Im just honoured that people like my work.

    Im hoping their might be some businesses viewing this site/thread who might want to use some of my images, as i said im starting college and maybe uni, so funds are tight and i want to avoid a student loan if i can.

    Thanks Lawrie x
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Cornish Photography Member since: Jul 29, 2008
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  2. Mark Pocock

    Mark Pocock UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    Lawrie

    What do you photograph?
    Do you specialize in a niche?

    And of course you've got a chance.

    never ever give up in life.

    cheers Mark
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Mark Pocock Member since: Oct 11, 2005
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  3. KidsBeeHappy

    KidsBeeHappy UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    Are you using fotolia etc, I use these sites a lot!!
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: KidsBeeHappy Member since: Oct 9, 2007
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  4. Cornish Photography

    Cornish Photography UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Hi Mark,

    Thank-you for your kind words and support, I specialise in Seascapes, Landscapes, Boats, Animals and portrait. I just wish someone would like them enough to buy them, the annoying thing is even know Im Methodist Church Winner 2008 - Exterior Buildings, Cornish Heritage Trust Winner 2001 / 2002, and have had work in the Cornishman Newspaper and on BBC Spotlight, still no one wants to use them, Ive been told to never sell the copyright, but hey if someone said oph I like that picture of a cornish sunset, i'll give you £50 for the copyright I would say YES...

    Im not asking for £5,000 per image or £25 for a print, I will happily sell prints for £10.00 each delivered.

    Sorry to go on, just having a bad day.

    The other thing Im a licvenced Radio Ham, and cant afford any money for radios... :(
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Cornish Photography Member since: Jul 29, 2008
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  5. Dawg

    Dawg UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Your site is down with a message that we should come back in two weeks.
    Well. ..if I remember...
    Seriously, get some images up asap or don't post. Either that or come back and post again when you do have images up.

    Just saw your reply above. This guy does some nice seaside stuff. If you can't afford a website at the moment maybe you could use a blog to show your images?
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Dawg Member since: Feb 12, 2006
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  6. Cornish Photography

    Cornish Photography UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Yeah im working on it now... will update you when its finished
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Cornish Photography Member since: Jul 29, 2008
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  7. KidsBeeHappy

    KidsBeeHappy UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    That's a wee bit harsh!;)

    I guess the OP is maybe asking from the perspective that his website needs improvement and he's not sure what to improve.

    But I agree, if you want comments on your photos then giving us a link to them would be useful.:rolleyes:
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: KidsBeeHappy Member since: Oct 9, 2007
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  8. Cornish Steve

    Cornish Steve UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    Lawrie,

    In bookstores across the US, you can find calendars of all types: many showing pictures from the US, many with pictures of pets, etc., but there are also calendars focused on other parts of the world. I suspect very much that ex-pats buy them for their friends. You can find calendars from England, Scotland, Wales, and so on.

    You won't find calendars from Cornwall because our country is too small. Each year, my wife and I contact the Western Morning News office in Plymouth to buy a number of Westcountry calendars. If I happen to be in the country, I buy some and take them home with me.

    Have you ever thought about turning your landscapes into calendars? I have no idea what size the market might be, but Cornish people living overseas might be excellent candidates. Some organisations exist to reach out to us - for example, I believe there is a Devon/Cornwall society within the US consulate - but a solid website would really help you out.

    Just a thought - and good luck with your studies.
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Cornish Steve Member since: Jul 4, 2005
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  9. Mark Pocock

    Mark Pocock UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    Why don't you go to the nearest marina ( spend the day
    there if necessary) with some swanky yachts and offer to photograph
    the owners on board their pride and joy.

    Give them an irresistible offer.

    They're either delighted with your photography
    or the photos are free.

    Whose portrait photos do you take?

    Do people buy your style of photos on ebay?

    Mark
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Mark Pocock Member since: Oct 11, 2005
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  10. Mark Pocock

    Mark Pocock UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    looking at your site;

    How about approaching golf courses?

    Being a golfer these always have photos of their
    course in the clubhouse.
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Mark Pocock Member since: Oct 11, 2005
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  11. Mark Pocock

    Mark Pocock UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    Methodist Church Winner 2008 - Exterior Buildings, Cornish Heritage Trust Winner 2001 / 2002, and have had work in the Cornishman Newspaper and on BBC Spotlight

    I can't see this on your site. This is YOUR CREDIBILITY.
    This is what distinguishes you from other photographers.

    DON'T FORGET TO FLAUNT IT.
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Mark Pocock Member since: Oct 11, 2005
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  12. Cornish Photography

    Cornish Photography UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    hello, all please check the website now, have started to update it and have done enough for this evening, will continue with the rest tomorrow.

    Thanks
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Cornish Photography Member since: Jul 29, 2008
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  13. MH1

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    Had a quick look and no offence but the quality of the photographs just does not seem to be there, at least for myself.

    Your pictures just seem to lack any punch, very flat colours. Framing and context leaves a lot to be desired, just my opinion. Keep going, but for people to want to buy a photo it has to grab them for some reason, a side on shot of a boat or an old building dead square in the middle of the frame doesn't always do it. Do you experiment with photoshop etc to see a difference can be made? Or if using film different ratings and films?

    One last thing, it's pointless selling at your prices. You would never make any money, it seems more a vanity project at the moment.
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: MH1 Member since: Dec 27, 2007
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  14. Cornish Photography

    Cornish Photography UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Well, I do take offence, Im trying my very best, seeing as i have taught myself everything, I dont tend to try and make the photograph something it is not, i dont beleive in editing the image as if its not possible.

    if you must know i have learning desabilities. am trying my best.

    if you think they are rubbish, then thats your perspective but the BBC and local rag thought they were good enough to publish.
     
    Posted: Jul 29, 2008 By: Cornish Photography Member since: Jul 29, 2008
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  15. Dawg

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    If you ask for an opinion you might get one that doesn't fit comfortably with what you want to hear.
    Sometimes this makes the opinion valuable.
    The world is full of wannabe photographers, and with digital cameras and photoshop entry level is easy to achieve than ever. Which makes competition greater than ever.
    You might not want to "try and make the photograph something it is not", (whatever that actually means), but if you want to make a living as a snapper you have to make photographs that are something that people want.
    MH1, perhaps a little brusquely, did indicate areas where you might consider change.
    And, for what it's worth, several well known photographers have 'learning difficulties', usually dyslexia of some degree. This is part of the reason they become photographers: they see images not letters or words, and use it to their advantage.
     
    Posted: Jul 30, 2008 By: Dawg Member since: Feb 12, 2006
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  16. Cornish Steve

    Cornish Steve UKBF Newcomer Full Member

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    Lawrie, don't be too dejected. The people here know how to run a profitable business. It's not easy to read their comments, I'm sure, especially since you want to turn something you love into a career. Photography is notoriously difficult to get into. I have friends who are talented photographers, but they have got nowhere simply because there are so many hopefuls out there. While it's admirable that you demonstrate so much initiative while facing disabilities, you're going to have to make it despite that; that's not a reason for people to buy. You have to put that fact aside and look at the matter objectively. And don't rest on your laurels, as they say, by assuming your awards will bring you success. It's great that you won them, but now you have to learn what it takes to grow a business. That's very different.

    For what it's worth, I suggest the following:

    1) You're about to start at college. Congratulations on that. Learn as much as you can there. View it at a stepping stone to your dreams. Too many people just amble their way through it, but you have a specific goal.

    2) Stick around at these forums, and don't be put off by harsh but well-meant comments. Join in the discussions. Begin to learn what it takes to run a business. You'll understand the importance of strategy and differentiation. You'll see what works and what doesn't. Over time, you'll find you have friends who genuinely want you to succeed.

    3) Experiment a little. Try some new approaches. Take yourself outside your comfort zone. After a while, you might find something that excites you, a new avenue you haven't considered to date. View all this as another stepping stone, part of the learning process.

    I know practically nothing about photography, but I found your pictures rather homely. Rather than the idyllic images you tend to see of Cornwall, your pictures reminded me of my time growing up there. They aren't family pictures, but they're not unnaturally perfect either. You've brought an element of authenticity and life to some of them. Maybe that won't help you to sell, but I offer the comments for what they're worth.

    So, please, stick around. Resolve to learn as much as you can. Don't just learn about the photography business but begin to appreciate small business in general. It'll be worth it. :)
     
    Posted: Jul 30, 2008 By: Cornish Steve Member since: Jul 4, 2005
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  17. MH1

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    I did say "No offence" and that it was simply my opinion.

    I never once stated that your photos were rubbish, you ask for an opinion, some you might not want to receive, but that's public forums for you.

    I have a daughter with learning difficulties, I would have said exactly the same to her.

    I'm sorry you took offence to what was an honest opinion, if you do not agree with it keep going down your track, many artists go their own way, some make it and some do not.

    I did photography for twenty years and I did mention where I felt they needed work, and I also mentioned it was just my opinion. As Dawg mentioned some viewpoints which make you uncomfortable can sometimes be valuable for the very reason they make you examine your work from a different perspective.

    You were wondering why people would not buy, I merely offered one opinion. It was not my intention to insult you.

    If it helps, you have won more awards than myself and your photos are online.

    I gave up photography when I realised it had totally consumed me, it ruined my holidays when I spnt hours waiting for the right light etc, in the days when the only image manipulation was on the day with filters, film stock and in the darkroom. With computers these days it has become much easier to get the image you are after.

    It might be worth considering it for the future if you are not interested yet, but it is still better to get as close to your "look" as possible first, image manipulation has been around as long as photography itself.
     
    Posted: Jul 30, 2008 By: MH1 Member since: Dec 27, 2007
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  18. sirearl

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    some one please post the site URL.

    Earl
     
    Posted: Jul 30, 2008 By: sirearl Member since: Apr 23, 2007
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  19. Dawg

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    Earl, click on the OP's name, the big one in the top left cornet by where the avatar goes. Then click on 'Visit Cornish...home page"

    And just in case, after 5867 posts, that evades you, click here.
    or below:
    http://www.cornish-photography.co.uk/

    Good luck old chap, best of British!:)
     
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  20. downsouth

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    At your command SirEarl

    http://www.cornish-photography.co.uk/index.htm

    To the OP, i do also agree that some of the pics are a little 'flat', I know nowt about photography mind but some simple searches of our friend google will show you the quality of the images other photographers are producing.

    I do like your black n white pics tho.

    IMHO its one of those industries where quality of product really sells.

    We all have to learn somewhere and some previous comments are a good starting point. Sell yourself on the awards you have won, you must have go it spot on for these competions.

    As time goes on and the business picks up you can then look at a more professional website, plenty of gallery software out there, some free to use.
     
    Posted: Jul 30, 2008 By: downsouth Member since: May 16, 2008
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