BT Infinity or EFM leased line?

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  1. Dominic Taylor

    Dominic Taylor UKBF Ace Full Member

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    Welcome to UKBF, good to see you here :)

    So on that note - OP, I wouldn't bother with BT. Shoot Pete an e-mail instead!

    But I'd also echo advice of others which is to consider hosted options - with 70 users surely it's worth looking at.
     
    Posted: Nov 2, 2010 By: Dominic Taylor Member since: Jun 19, 2008
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  2. computer storm

    computer storm UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I have to agree with Stu on this one, why do you want to host your own exchange server, have you considered the cost of the licenses that you will have to buy for exchange and also the client access licenses for all the internal and external users. Also you would have to way up the cost of anything happening to the server i.e down time, a good DR plan. There is a lot to think about when going to a server model. You would also have to factor in the cost of backup media, backup software antivirus and every thing else that comes with a server.

    Have you not looked into hosted exchange, Microsoft do a good deal on seats and is backed up for you. It takes the hassle of licensing and also maintenance and updates to the exchange.[

    As Stu says getting it right first time is the main hurdle, the internet connection should be factored in but so should the cost of running the server and cost for fixing it should anything go wrong.
     
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    Posted: Nov 3, 2010 By: computer storm Member since: Aug 1, 2008
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  3. Armor-IT

    Armor-IT UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Another option would be to contract in an IT Professional ( I hate that term ) to provide you with an open source solution for your systems and negate the need for any licensing/cost issues involved.

    How are you handling the VPN i.e Hardware/Software

    This will have an affect on the amount of bandwith involved i.e overheads.
    Also will the remote vpn users be accessing large documents on the corporate LAN if so a BT infinity line is likely to get saturated and unusable regularly.

    As has been previously mentioned a bonded adsl connection with a rolling monthly contract sounds like a good idea and maybe have outgoing internet handled by a proxy server routed through a seperate bt infinity or similar package to lessen the strain and provide failover if needed.

    Again I must agree with others getting someone in will more than likely save you time, money and stress in the long run.

    Rhys Morgan
     
    Posted: Nov 5, 2010 By: Armor-IT Member since: Nov 4, 2010
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  4. Viscount

    Viscount UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    It does help thanks.

    I had to leave this thread alone because various members above insisted on steering the discussion into pros and cons of hosting servers. - Which if they had read the OP I was not interested in discussing.

    It appears that it all depends on how important your connection is and i've done some research to try and make sense of the different technologies relating to broadband and this is mostly from BT's website. I think I will have to just try it and see how it goes. We have the standard broadband.

    These are the options:

    Standard Broadband
    no contention ratio specified, fair use policy on bandwidth
    No SLA, best time we can do repair, crap support
    20mb download, 1mb upload - 2yr contract = £0.00 connection and around £25 per month

    Fibre Broadband as offered by BT
    No contention ratio specified so probably like the above, fair use policy on bandwidth
    No SLA, best time we can do repair, basic support if you pay a bit more
    Up to 50mb download, 10mb upload – 2yr contract = £45 per month

    BT Business Broadband Network
    No contention ratio specified, fair use policy on bandwidth
    SLA 24hr repair time, 8 hours for premium, better support
    20mb download, 1mb upload – 2yr contract standard service = £58.50 per month
    20mb download, 1mb upload – 2yr contract premium service = £90 per month

    BT Business SDSL
    10:1 contention, fair use policy on bandwidth
    SLA 24hr repair time, good support
    512kb connection - 1yr contract = £595 connection and £170 per month
    1mb connection – 1yr contract = £595 connection and £230 per month
    2mb connection – 1 yr contract = £595 connection and £345 per month

    BT Net Premium
    0:0 contention ratio - Private Circuit
    SLA 100% target availability, fallover resilience built in, best support

    2M BT Net EFM on a 2M bearer 5yr contract = £0.00 connection* and £284.83 a month . This is the most basic and it goes up from there usually in £100 segments for 4M (£384), 6M, etc.
     
    Posted: Dec 14, 2010 By: Viscount Member since: Apr 21, 2008
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  5. Anjam

    Anjam UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    ooops...just realised how old this thread is!
     
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    Posted: Sep 6, 2011 By: Anjam Member since: Aug 26, 2011
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  6. edmondscommerce

    edmondscommerce Magento + PHP Expert Full Member - Verified Business

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    interesting thread tho - and actually something i am looking at currently

    those in the know - is the info still pretty much up to date?

    im looking at getting a couple of FTTC connections and setting up loading balancing
     
    Posted: Sep 6, 2011 By: edmondscommerce Member since: Nov 11, 2008
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  7. ccsleedsltd

    ccsleedsltd UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Joseph.

    Info is still valid, or at least what we posted.

    More than happy to provide quotes if you wish, ranging from single line adsl, through bonded, FTTC (if available), EFM (if available) and true fibre services too.

    Feel free to give me a nudge if you wish.

    Cheers,
     
    Posted: Sep 6, 2011 By: ccsleedsltd Member since: Oct 31, 2010
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  8. cjd

    cjd UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Are you considering running telephony across it too? If so, there are some other things to consider.
     
    Posted: Sep 6, 2011 By: cjd Member since: Nov 23, 2005
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  9. edmondscommerce

    edmondscommerce Magento + PHP Expert Full Member - Verified Business

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    probably not using it for telephony no
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2011 By: edmondscommerce Member since: Nov 11, 2008
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  10. maxine

    maxine UKBF Legend Full Member

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    Even though its an old thread it's something I have been looking at today with BT Infinity.

    What doesn't seem so obvious at first glance though are the "usage limits" so I would encourage people to ask about this when discussing uploads/downloads. Also the prices vary by length of contract. I was quoted £45 pm for 12 month contract with 100gb usage limit or £30 pm for 2 yr contract 100gb usage, or £52.50 per month unlimited for 12 months. Business chap I spoke with today says they quote what is available but not necessarily what is in a contract so need to be aware of this.

    I've been having silly discussions all day so will watch this thread with interest :)
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2011 By: maxine Member since: Oct 13, 2007
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  11. Posilan

    Posilan UKBF Ace Full Member - Verified Business

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    BT Infinity are not the only "fibre to the cabinet" ISP now (although you would think so looking at their ads!).

    We offer fibre broadband too if you are in a service area (same areas as BT infinity) via Zen Internet. Only 12 month contracts too.

    Take a look at http://www.posilan.com/services/fibre-broadband/ for details and pricing - if you need any advice, give me a shout :)

    Steve
     
    Posted: Sep 7, 2011 By: Posilan Member since: Dec 20, 2010
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  12. maxine

    maxine UKBF Legend Full Member

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    Sorry Steve I didn't get time to look as just upgraded in a hurry and out of frustration more than delight :)
     
    Posted: Sep 15, 2011 By: maxine Member since: Oct 13, 2007
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  13. worldy

    worldy UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Not hijacking, but related question. I have 2 adsl broadband lines which we only use one of. Can I bond the lines to get almost twice the speeds? What hardware would be required?
     
    Posted: Sep 15, 2011 By: worldy Member since: Jul 9, 2011
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  14. Posilan

    Posilan UKBF Ace Full Member - Verified Business

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    To do it properly needs the ISP to support MLPPP (not many do).

    Without that, the best you could do is to set up load balancing. There are some routers you can buy which can do this easily (some of the Draytek range do this).

    Steve
     
    Posted: Sep 15, 2011 By: Posilan Member since: Dec 20, 2010
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  15. LeasedLineSpecialist

    LeasedLineSpecialist UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Hi,

    50 computers on a single bb is a bit too risky to me, we really reccomend a maximum of 20 anything after that then you should start looking at something more robust.

    Fibre bb will be great for speed but again wouldnt reccomend using that many users.

    EFM will guarentee you speed and also give you excellent reliability which regular bb connections wont.

    im more than happy to advise and quote.. please let me know your post code and contact number if possible?

    Rgds,

    Steve
     
    Posted: Sep 23, 2011 By: LeasedLineSpecialist Member since: Sep 23, 2011
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  16. Posilan

    Posilan UKBF Ace Full Member - Verified Business

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    Eh? Why? Can you explain your reasoning for this?

    As long as the network is managed right, and everyone doesn't want to download the whole internet all the time, I don't see a problem...

    Businesses used to share a 56k modem before ADSL and ISDN ;)

    Steve
     
    Posted: Sep 23, 2011 By: Posilan Member since: Dec 20, 2010
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  17. LeasedLineSpecialist

    LeasedLineSpecialist UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    im sure they did, however i also sure that data usages and normal business operations didnt depend on the internet so much as business' do now.

    50 computers...thats a decent amount bb would not be reliable enough - as good as it can be there is still no gaurentee.

    i would not reccomend that many workers relying on a single bb.
     
    Posted: Sep 23, 2011 By: LeasedLineSpecialist Member since: Sep 23, 2011
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  18. Posilan

    Posilan UKBF Ace Full Member - Verified Business

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    Again, why? What technological reason are you basing this fact on?

    Why is it ok to have a broadband connection for 20 pc's on a network, but not 21 or more?

    The number of PC's on a corporate network bears little or no relationship to the throughput requirements of the broadband connection.

    As long as the network is managed correctly, maybe also using a caching proxy etc, there's no issue here and certainly no hard recommended limit to the number of devices connected to the LAN as long as the bandwidth requirements of the network to the internet are met.

    Steve
     
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    Posted: Sep 23, 2011 By: Posilan Member since: Dec 20, 2010
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  19. Anjam

    Anjam UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Surely it depends on the type and amount of data rather than number of users. We have sites with 50 users running on ADSL with no problems. We filter out bandwidth hungry/non work related websites and filter SPAM offsite.

    If reliability is an issue then get two ADSL connections on two different networks.

    EFM and Leased lines have their place but not due to reasons given.
     
    Posted: Sep 23, 2011 By: Anjam Member since: Aug 26, 2011
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  20. LeasedLineSpecialist

    LeasedLineSpecialist UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    steve, i appreciate that you are probably a technilogical guru. i am certainly not here to get into a technical ego slanging match.

    50 computers....50 employees....each on a salary

    regardless of the configuration networking blah blah blah

    the bb connection goes and your paying 50 people that cant work properly.

    bb will cost approx £30 per month efm would cost approx £300 per month

    im sure not having an internet connection for say 2 days would cost more that £270 in paying staff alone not to mention loss of business.
     
    Posted: Sep 23, 2011 By: LeasedLineSpecialist Member since: Sep 23, 2011
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