Are trades people expected to remove their rubbish?

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  1. Rhyl Lightworks

    Rhyl Lightworks UKBF Ace Free Member

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    When I was doing appliance repairs and electrical work some years ago, I always removed any rubbish I had caused, and left the place as I found it.

    I had 2 multifuel stoves installed a couple of weeks ago, by a Heatas approved company (chosen because they were Heatas approved), and to say I have been disappointed with their results would be an understatemnet.

    Apart from giving me bad advice on one of the stoves (they said burning pallets would be fine, and when some houses nearby complained about the fumes, they changed their tune and said I was not to burn pallets, but of course nothing was put in writing) they have left my house in a sorry state, in particular leaving all their rubble strewn around for me to arrange clearing. If this is not considered part of the job I will accept it (I know what it's like to have customers who complain for trivial reasons) but if it is considered part of the job, I have a mind to complain to Heatas about it (I have already complained to the company with what I consider an unreasonable response).

    What are people's opinions on this?

    Barrie
     
    Posted: Nov 28, 2011 By: Rhyl Lightworks Member since: Aug 16, 2006
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  2. Websitehandyman

    Websitehandyman UKBF Ace Full Member

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    Only if it's agreed before the work starts with some contractors I would say. It now cost a lot to dispose of rubbish.

    I had an old ceiling replaced in one of my houses recently, can't argue at the price or the work but I too was a bit surprised to find ten bags of rubbish leaning against the side of the house a few days later.

    I'm guessing the bloke realised when it was too late that he had under quoted and it was more work then he thought, I guessed he had but he wanted the work and that's why, like a fool, I gave him a good tip at the end.
     
    Posted: Nov 28, 2011 By: Websitehandyman Member since: Nov 25, 2011
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  3. estwig

    estwig UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Make the lazy b*st*rds clean their cr*p up, even if they are not due to take the rubbish away, (that's for you and any contract you have with them to decide) they should at least leave the job in a 'clean and tidy condition condition ready for use'.
     
    Posted: Nov 28, 2011 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  4. bwhomeresponse

    bwhomeresponse UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    today it is expected to leave a site tidy. if your tradesman turns up in a tatty van, he's late and looks as though he has been out on the sauce all night.
    he really cannot expect to get the job.
    today it is expected for trades to be neat and tidy.
    this may sound harsh but I am afraid it is fact of life.
    bwhomeresponse
     
    Posted: Nov 28, 2011 By: bwhomeresponse Member since: Nov 23, 2011
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  5. CKG

    CKG UKBF Ace Free Member

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    You can bet your life on it that if the rubbish was a bit of copper or stainless steel they'd have taken it away.

    Just lazy.
     
    Posted: Nov 28, 2011 By: CKG Member since: May 26, 2007
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  6. Glassglen

    Glassglen UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I will try that next job rip a load of windows out and leave them on the lawn, i have just got my waste carriers licence even though we have a skip for all our waste but i say you must always clean the site when finished
     
    Posted: Nov 28, 2011 By: Glassglen Member since: Feb 10, 2009
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  7. Curious

    Curious UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Get on the phone and complain to the company that approved them. It's just being bloody lazy not tidying up and there is no reason for you to not complain about them if they're not at least willing to listen to your complaint in a civil manner.

    Does my head in.
     
    Posted: Nov 28, 2011 By: Curious Member since: Jan 10, 2011
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  8. bwhomeresponse

    bwhomeresponse UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    clearing up should be part of the service, there is no excuse.
     
    Posted: Nov 29, 2011 By: bwhomeresponse Member since: Nov 23, 2011
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  9. philip41

    philip41 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Would not even occur to us not to clear up.

    Lots of trades seem to get away with it, we would never.
     
    Posted: Nov 30, 2011 By: philip41 Member since: Jun 21, 2009
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  10. roydmoorian

    roydmoorian UKBF Ace Full Member - Verified Business

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    As far as burning pallets goes, well as long as they are not made from arsenic treated wood and they are dry there is absolutely no difference to burning any other sawn wood. :| (Other than the nails left in the ash. )

    The best firewood would be dry 2 year seasoned logs.

    http://farmingforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=43991
     
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    Posted: Dec 1, 2011 By: roydmoorian Member since: Nov 6, 2009
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  11. maxine

    maxine UKBF Legend Full Member

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    We give people a choice and a cost attached to take rubbish away.

    It costs a lot of money for a waste carriers licence and even more to sort it, contain it in line with regs (gypsum waste rules) and dispose of it.

    If people want to save money by disposing of themselves that's up to them they can pick that option from their quote.

    Gone are the days when we do for free due to costs we incur :)
     
    Posted: Dec 1, 2011 By: maxine Member since: Oct 13, 2007
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  12. Glassglen

    Glassglen UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    If you give the customer a choice to take their own building waste away why do they not have to have a carriers licence, another pointless tax to cripple buisnesses
     
    Posted: Dec 1, 2011 By: Glassglen Member since: Feb 10, 2009
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  13. maxine

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    I know that's why people deduct the £60-£90 or whatever we quote and say they will take it in the back of their ford fiestas.... good innit.

    If they put their backs out lifting it well ... ???
     
    Posted: Dec 1, 2011 By: maxine Member since: Oct 13, 2007
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  14. roydmoorian

    roydmoorian UKBF Ace Full Member - Verified Business

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    Hmm, so you have to spread the cost of your waste carrier's licence over fewer jobs. But you still need it :eek:

    "If you give the customer a choice to take their own building waste away why do they not have to have a carriers licence, another pointless tax to cripple buisnesses"

    Your own domestic rubbish doesn't need a WCL;)
     
    Posted: Dec 2, 2011 By: roydmoorian Member since: Nov 6, 2009
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  15. maxine

    maxine UKBF Legend Full Member

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    No but if you take rubbish away then you do need it. Don't know what it's like your way but they defo do spot checks round here :)

    I've been contacted by environmental waste before when someone fly tipped their rubbish and there was one paper document that identified our company and they were round in a flash! Nothing to do with us of course but showed they will contact businesses quickly for consumer rubbish!
     
    Posted: Dec 2, 2011 By: maxine Member since: Oct 13, 2007
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  16. avalanche

    avalanche UKBF Regular Free Member

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    on small jobs i always add rubbish removal to my quote as an optional item
    i will always put it in a tidy pile when finished but it is upto the customer if they want it taken away, im a joiner so it is mainly wood waste which can be burned by the customer or i can add the price of a skip and 1/2hours labour to the bill
     
    Posted: Dec 20, 2011 By: avalanche Member since: Aug 19, 2010
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  17. MrCloser

    MrCloser UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Unless it was agreed beforehand I wouldn't expect a tradesman to take his own rubbish away. If quoting on a job I'd add it as an extra, and only if I had a waste carrier's license.

    Personally I wouldn't want to pay an electrician top skilled rates for something that could be done at a cheaper rate . When working on site they never take their rubbish home, nor are they expected to.
     
    Posted: Dec 20, 2011 By: MrCloser Member since: Aug 2, 2011
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  18. Dan Frazer Gardening

    Dan Frazer Gardening UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Unless the agreement stated waste was to be removed you won't be able to force them to come back and remove it.

    Waste carrier's licence is only £153 for 3yrs in scotland, and £100 for years 4-6 onwards etc. Under £1 a week isn't much.

    The EA are changing the rules for my trade in England (I'm in Scotland though) and the gardeners down south don't even have to pay a fee when the rules take effect (may have already started?).

    No excuse not to be registered. I know that of all contract ground maintenance firms and gardeners in East Dunbartonshire I am one of only 5 or 6 licenced waste carriers. I always include waste removal in my price as I want a clean site when I leave, not a reputation for leaving a mess.
     
    Posted: Dec 28, 2011 By: Dan Frazer Gardening Member since: Jun 30, 2011
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  19. CESSCOTLTD

    CESSCOTLTD UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    If you are a reputable trades person you should ideally, already have a waste carriers licence (that is unless you don't carry anything away from a customers property). I appreciate some people have (and may continue to do so,) got away without one for years but to us its not worth the risk. Also seeing as they will be tightening up on the scrap laws soon this will most likely be written into it somewhere for trades anyway.
    I always leave a tidy job and normally I remove all rubbish unless the customer specifically asks me to leave certain items (i.e. a copper cylinder and pipework) I don't usually charge for disposal of rubbish (e.g plastic, polystyrene cardboard etc) as the other items (copper pipe etc) usually cover this cost. If the customer wants the metal but not the other then a charge is usually applied.
     
    Posted: Jan 5, 2012 By: CESSCOTLTD Member since: Sep 5, 2010
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  20. Rhyl Lightworks

    Rhyl Lightworks UKBF Ace Free Member

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    There was not a great deal of rubbish (a small pile left in the garden + some other bits and pieces scattered around). I would have expected this to be cleared and included in the cost, whether they need a waste carriers licence or not. It is just the inconvenience of my having to do it that gets me.

    Barrie
     
    Posted: Jan 5, 2012 By: Rhyl Lightworks Member since: Aug 16, 2006
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