All Malaysian Flight 370 could be still alive and kicking

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  1. sirearl

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    " Aircraft are sometimes designed with emergency water landing in mind, for instance the Airbus A330 has a 'ditching' switch that closes valves and openings beneath the aircraft slowing the ingress of water."
     
    Posted: Apr 15, 2014 By: sirearl Member since: Apr 23, 2007
  2. johndon68

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    It still doesn't stop the engines hitting the water first though and potentially damaging the wings in the process though...

    John
     
    Posted: Apr 15, 2014 By: johndon68 Member since: Nov 2, 2009
  3. Swisaw

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    The ditching on Comoros Island was out of control. The plane tilted and turned anti clockwise. The wing, on the left side, was the first to touch water. It acted as a brake and caused the plane to turn over with severe consequences. Usually when planes, landing, they touch the ground at an angle of a sort of 45 degrees to the front. They raise the nose and lower the rear.

    If I go back in time and go inside this airplane I will tell the captain to ditch before his fuel runs out. I will advice him to ditch at angle of at least 50 degree and let the rear of the plane to sink into water and keep it like that for a long distance. The rear of the plane and the wind, created under the plane on the same direction, should create waves and water movement on the same direction from the rear to further away in front of the plane. Now the water is moving fast with plane. After that I advice him to bring down the nose slowly and not to shut the engines down. As the plane rides on the moving water, the moving water should act like modern brake, which doesn't lock. The working engines should minimize the impact of the engines to the water at the front. The moving water should further to help to minimise the impact of engines against water at the front. In this way the plane should come to a standstill in an orderly manner without serious structural damage.
     
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    Posted: Apr 15, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
  4. johndon68

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    And with that absolute pile of garbage to use the Dragon's Den saying, I'm out.

    Swisaw, you are entertaining I will give you that, but if you seriously believe all this crap then there is little point continuing...

    John
     
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    Posted: Apr 15, 2014 By: johndon68 Member since: Nov 2, 2009
  5. sirearl

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    Your a bit steep with the angle,but thats the technic.

     
    Posted: Apr 15, 2014 By: sirearl Member since: Apr 23, 2007
  6. Swisaw

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    Many thanks sirearl for this link.

    I am afraid my reasoning and the reason behind this landing if for the same reason, could be seriously wrong. I reasoned that the wind goes on the direction of the flight and this wind would create a stream of moving water on the same direction. But that may be on the opposite direction. The wind is created by the engines, which push the air from the front to the back. This obviously causes the moving water stream to be on the same direction of the wind against the direction of the flight. This explains the sharp fall of the nose of the plane. This sharp fall caused the plain to break. The reason behind this sharp fall is the stream of the water pushing the rear of the plane backward.

    I guess if the plane landed on a straight line it would not have suffered structural damage. But this was a propeller driven plane you don't know the impact of the water, against the engine, results. But for a jet engine this impact should be reduced a lot if the engines still running the moment they sink into water. This is because the engines push against the impact. By the time water enter the engine the momentum of the impact should become negligible.
     
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    Posted: Apr 16, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
  7. Swisaw

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    Posted: Apr 21, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
  8. TLEasley

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    CONFIDENTIAL BRIEFING
    Malaysia Airlines MH370/MAS370*

    22 April, 2014 (Updated with Russian and Chinese Intelligence Reports)

    SUBJECT: AIRCIA-system (quasi-acronym for AIRliner Controlled Irreversible Anti-hijack system)
    Compiled by: TL Easley

    It has been stated by numerous government officials and related in several media reports that one of two things caused the transponder and ACARS (Aircraft Communication and Reporting System) to stop transmitting.

    1) Someone turned them off or disabled them (pilot or hijacker) and

    2) A catastrophic failure occurred resulting in both systems being disabled (fire, rapid depressurization, crash, midair collision, being shot down, pilot suicide, etc). There is a third, albeit remote, possibility that could result in both systems being disabled and that’s

    3) Electronic Warfare Signal Cancellation.

    The E-3 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) is built by Boeing Defense & Space Group. The role of the E-3 is to carry out airborne surveillance, and command, control and communications (C3) functions for both tactical and air defense forces. The E3 look-down radar has a 360° view of the horizon, and at operating altitudes has a range of more than 320km. The radar can detect and track air and sea targets simultaneously. In a tactical role, the E-3 can detect and track hostile aircraft operating at low altitudes over any terrain, and can identify and control friendly aircraft in the same airspace in effect electronically commandeering it and operating it like a drone.

    Control of a Boeing 777 can be accomplished through the secret “Airliner Irreversible Control Anti-Hijack System” (US Patent: 6845302 B2, AIRCIA System, Patented by Jose Moretto in 2003, although aircraft manufacturers may have developed a working system a decade earlier, at least since 1995, for installation on high risks air routes.) used by Boeing which once enabled can render the planes guidance system irretrievably placed into total reliance upon its existing autopilot system in RF communication with encrypted remote air intercept personnel aboard the AWACS plane. The airliner then becomes flown only as directed by the remote flight control station in cooperation with airliners remotely reprogrammed on board avionics system automatically vectoring the airliner to land safely via the existing avionics/autopilot system at a designated airport, in this case the most likely airfield is the U.S. Military Naval Support Facility (NSF) at Diego Garcia, BIOT in the central Indian Ocean and within the plane’s flight range.

    It is important to note that this location was one of 4 found in 53 year old Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s flight simulator by the FBI. It is unusual for a civilian pilot to be practicing a landing at a top secret military base he would never likely be allowed to land at. The plane can be flown “cloaked” by the AWACS plane all the way to its destination. The AWACS would follow and control the plane all the way and then land at the same base and utilize midair refueling if needed.

    Should the AWACS control signals shift out of phase or be interrupted in any way, a so-called interferometer is programmed to send flight path corrective commands to the airborne guidance equipment. To assist in the covert acquisition of the plane, its high value passengers and cargo a harmless gas admixture can be released capable of inducing sleep (ATI: Automatic Tranquil Infusion tranquilizing gas released into the airliner’s entire interior).

    The gas is already part of the secret anti hijack system or somehow retrofitted in the aircraft prior to take off. This would explain the report of the copilot “mumbling” when contacted by a flight 30 minutes ahead of it on an emergency frequency. If the passenger oxygen system was activated it would only provide 15 minutes of relief from the gas and pilots would have only 30 minutes of oxygen. If already installed as part of the anti-hijack system the oxygen system would not be an effective counter to the deployment of the ATI gas mixture. The existence of a gassing system may explain why airline regulations forbid oxygen canisters aboard passenger jets, since an independent air supply would enable terrorists to stay in control of a hijacked jet.

    Authorities in Malaysia have confirmed that they believe the flight was deliberately interfered with and that its communications system intentionally disabled before the plane flew “invisible” for a further seven to eight hours. A jumbo jet was seen flying low over the Maldives islands (approx. 800 miles north of Diego Garcia and one of 4 practice landing sites deleted form Captain Shah’s flight simulator) almost eight hours after last radio contact was made.

    Several witnesses in Dhaalu Atoll (20 civilians) saw a plane flying North to South-East, towards the southern tip of the Maldives that bore the red stripe and white background of Malaysia Airlines planes at 6:15am local time on March 8th. This timeline could match the planes last known contact and speed/alt. data. The sightings, reported by a local news outlet (The Haveeru news), would have occurred more than seven hours after the plane lost contact with air traffic control and took its sudden westward turn.

    “I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,” said a witness.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: TLEasley Member since: Apr 29, 2014
  9. Swisaw

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    Unbelievable!!!! we didn't know about these facts on the plane. I knew it was a hijack. Before knowing the small island in the ocean with an airport, I thought a ship or submarine was waiting for it. But on the basis of these facts one can conclude that the plane remotely hijacked and landed in the small island in the ocean.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
  10. Swisaw

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    I missed to add that before I said all passengers could be alive and kicking, Now I say without doubt that all passengers are alive and kicking. This is as far as the the plane causes concerned because this plane landed on an airport safely if this report is true. All clues indicate this report is true.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
  11. DazRave

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    I've just stumbled across this thread... Just read the last 2 pages instead of going through all 18.

    Am i right in thinking Swisaw and a few others believe an episode of LOST has just come true or something?
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: DazRave Member since: Jul 12, 2013
  12. Swisaw

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    If you think we believe in any of LOST episodes you will also think Chinese and Russian intelligence believe in the same episodes. Read the post of TLEasley on this page.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
  13. DazRave

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    haha, I said that tongue in cheek as in, you believe the plane has landed and so things like the reported 'bleeps' from a crashed aircraft under the sea must all be just an amazing coverup.

    Although this 'gas everyone and remotely take control of the autopilot' sounds like a pretty damn good system to combat plane hijacking, I find it a waste of time to speculate and i certainly would never claim something as big as "all passengers are alive and kicking".

    I really want to think your THEORY, because at the moment that's all it is, is all true and no one has lost their lives at all. However realistically, until solid facts come to light, i.e. at least a part of the plane is eventually found, no one will ever know so there's no point claiming otherwise.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: DazRave Member since: Jul 12, 2013
  14. TLEasley

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    RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE: Главное разведывательное управление

    An as yet unconfirmed analysis reportedly prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU: Glavnoye Razvedyvatel'noye Upravleniye) (Russia's largest foreign intelligence agency) and published in the online edition of the European Union Times March 14th states that Aerospace Defense Forces (VKO, Voyska Vozdushno-Kosmicheskoy Oborony) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll.

    That Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama. What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

    Both Kennedy and Reynolds, this report says, were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by U.S. Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

    Police on the island nation of Seychelles say that the two former U.S. Navy SEALs died of respiratory failure and were suspected to have had heart attacks, possibly from drug use.

    The police said Monday that a syringe and traces of heroin were found in their cabin.

    Trident Group confirms neither of the men ever failed a mandatory or random drug test.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: TLEasley Member since: Apr 29, 2014
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    CHINESE INTELLIGENCE: 中华人民共和国国家安全部

    Russian GRU “assets” reportedly confirmed that this “highly suspicious” cargo was aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on 8 March, this report notes, Moscow notified The Ministry of State Security of the People's Republic of China (MSS) which is responsible for counter-intelligence, foreign intelligence and political security of their concerns and received “assurances” that “all measures” would be taken as to ascertain what was being kept so hidden when this aircraft entered into their airspace. However, this report says, and as yet for still unknown reasons, the MSS was preparing to divert Flight 370 from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island). Prior to entering the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.

    Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts in this report say, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

    China Mobile, it should be noted, extended phone coverage in the Spratly Islands in 2011 so that PLA soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen, and merchant vessels within the area would be able to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues.

    As to how the US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia base, this report says, appears to have been accomplished remotely as this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft is equipped with a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.

    What remains “perplexing” about this incident, GRU analysts in this report say, are why the American mainstream media outlets have yet to demand from the Obama regime the radar plots and satellite images of the Indian Ocean and South China Sea regions as the US military covers this entire area from Diego Garcia like no other seas in the world due to its vital shipping and air lanes.

    This report could be the reason that China has demanded the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder serial numbers for the “black boxes” aboard MH370 prior to them being recovered to verify their authenticity.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: TLEasley Member since: Apr 29, 2014
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    OFFICIAL DENIALS

    The U.S. Embassy in Malaysia, in an email to the New Straits Times, said claims that reports that MH370 was hidden somewhere in its island military base, Diego Garcia, were wild allegations. “This is a baseless conspiracy theory that has already been debunked around the world, and the White House Press Secretary specifically addressed this on March 18,” said the embassy’s press attaché Harvey Sernovitz.

    A popular theory was that 51 year old American Philip Woods, who worked for IBM and was on board the plane, had posted a picture of his whereabouts from his phone to 4chan., the location of which was later purportedly traced to Diego Garcia military base in the Indian Ocean. Washington also addressed allegations that logs at Diego Garcia from March 8 to 10, had been wiped clean. “These reports are completely false. MH370 did not land in Diego Garcia. This is a baseless conspiracy theory.”

    The official U.S. Navy publication “The Diego Garcia Welcome Aboard Guide” page 22 Rev. 11 Jul 13 states:

    Will my cell phone work on Diego Garcia?

    No. Commercial mobile phone providers based in the United States are not accessible at this location. However, Cable & Wireless offers mobile phones, pagers and calling cards for international phone calls

    The Maldives defense minister has denied that MH370 overflew the Maldives and The Maldives police have also launched an investigation into the reported sighting of the aircraft.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: TLEasley Member since: Apr 29, 2014
  17. TLEasley

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    CONCLUSIONS

    The U.S. has a state of the art spy satellite system, with very precise capabilities of monitoring the entire earth's surface, including moving objects at very high resolutions. Everything on this planet is subject to what is called “Layered ISR.” ISR stands for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance. By “layered” we refer to satellites, starting with geosynchronous orbit down to LEO, or “Low Earth Orbit.”

    These satellites monitor the entire electromagnetic spectrum and include SAR (Synthetic Aperture Capability). Everything that moves, on land or sea, under the sea, even underground, is watched and listened to. Many of these technologies are part of the United States Space Surveillance Network. The system is the responsibility of the Joint Functional Component Command for Space, part of the United States Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM).

    The Diego Garcia base "is one of only a handful of locations equipped with a Ground-based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance system for tracking objects in deep space." Given the levels of sophistication of these observation technologies, it is highly unlikely that the MH370 flight could have travelled unnoticed over a large span of the Indian Ocean.

    This system would allow the U.S. to visually and electronically locate the plane at a known time and location and simply follow it via satellite to its ultimate destination even in inclement weather using infrared capabilities.

    Retired 35 year Delta pilot, Field McConnell confirmed in a legal filing that since 1995, Boeing Uninterruptible Auto Pilots have been equipped in Boeing planes.

    This information was apparently not released until March of 2007, following a subsequent lawsuit by McConnell. The modification was reported to the FAA, NTSB and ALPA (airline pilots association). According to McConnell’s documents, Boeing is said to have stated that by end of 2009 all Boeing planes would be fitted with the BUAP – making them impossible to manually hijack within the plane but susceptible to remote control by the military, according the flight veteran…..

    Additionally, McConnell mentions an ‘autoland’ and ‘autobrake’ feature for the plane, making it possible for these planes to land safely or to be used as a potential weapon according to his information. ”

    None of the planes four Emergency Locator Transmitters (ELT’s) were activated indicating the plane may not have crashed. The ELT’s are separate from the plane’s black boxes and are designed to activate when they encounter water or high G forces. Also worth pointing out its unlikely these ELTS could be tampered with in flight let alone turned off. Modern ELTS have a 20% failure rate.

    However unlikely and despite official denials, it remains a fact that it is possible to render a target aircraft invisible to radar and remotely control all aspects of flight and landing while possibly rendering passengers and crew unconscious.

    If a compelling national security motivation existed the U.S. military has the capability to accomplish such an electronic hijacking of any AIRCIA equipped aircraft and would be highly unlikely to admit it.

    An electronic hijack scenario is consistent with tactics deployed and managed by the involvement of a U.S. Navy SOCOM or Special Operations Command and could be limited to less than 800 military and intelligence personnel.

    To date, not a single piece of wreckage of flight MH370 has been found despite the resources of 26 countries being deployed to find it.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: TLEasley Member since: Apr 29, 2014
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    MOTIVE, MEANS AND OPPORTUNITY

    It can be argued from the evidence presented that the American government and/or its allies, intelligence services or some unknown actor(s) utilizing technologies similar to those mentioned in this briefing may have had the motive, means and opportunity to electronically hijack this aircraft and divert it to a secret location.

    MOTIVE

    Compelling National Security Interest(s)
    Defense Contractor Brain Trust onboard
    Suspicious Cargo Reportedly Detected by Russian GRU. Since the Chinese MSS reportedly planned to divert and inspect the plane once it entered Chinese airspace there might be a compelling interest to intercept the plane and divert to a secure location before the Chinese could acquire the plane and its “suspicious” cargo?

    MEANS

    AIRCIA-system controlled by AWACS

    OPPORTUNITY

    Military Exercises or Annual “War Games” were being conducted nearby called “Cobra Gold” and “Cope Tiger” led by the United States beginning from 11th February and ending 21st March, 2014.’

    Military from Thailand and Singapore principally involved in exercise. American AWACS in area for war games. MH370 reportedly headed for the Andaman Islands/Andaman Sea where multi-lateral Military Exercises or War Games were being conducted
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: TLEasley Member since: Apr 29, 2014
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    Timeline for flight MH370

     00:41LT - Take off from runway 32R at Kuala Lumpur International Airport
     01:01LT - Reached cruising altitude of 35.000 feet, Speed: 474 kt, Track: 25%
     01:19LT - Last radio contact
     01:21LT - Last ADS-B transponder message received about 140 km North East of Kuala Terengganu, Track: 40%
     Radar: F-WMKC 1

    Civilian Radar did not track any signals from the transponder of 9M-MRO after that.

    All information presented is from public sources. No U.S. military secret or declassified information is included in this report. Sources: US Patent: 6845302 B2, AIRCIA System, Invented by Jose Moretto in 2003; Wikipedi; The Haveeru news, The New Straits Times, Maylaysia; the online edition of the European Union Times March 14th and other sources deemed reliable.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: TLEasley Member since: Apr 29, 2014
  20. Jeff FV

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    And I was beginning to hope that this thread had also been lost somewhere in deeper reaches of southern ocean.

    But alas, no. More ludicrous conspiracy theories.

    re: the GRU. I'm sure you have noticed that the once thawed cold war is, if not freezing over again, at least getting a little chilly. It would not surprise me to find the GRU or other agnecies of the Russian state, using this tragedy to whip up dissent and uncertainty in foreign nations. In the 70s & 80s it was infiltrating, promoting and supporting CND, now it seems that it is pandering to the whackos and conspiracy theorists. (And on a different level, the hand of Putin can be seen in the comments section of most major online news portals discussing the Ukrainian crisis.)

    Occam's razor. Therein lies the solution to this.
     
    Posted: Apr 30, 2014 By: Jeff FV Member since: Jan 10, 2009
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