A good paid for VPN?

Discussion in 'IT & Internet' started by estwig, Oct 22, 2020.

  1. estwig

    estwig UKBF Legend Free Member

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    I've tried free VPN's, waste of time which is no surprise.

    The paid for VPN which comes bundled with Bitdefender is fine on mobile devices, but it doesn't like my windows machines, it keeps dropping out.

    This is for security reasons, not for watching Netflix from the States and other such nonsense.

    Anyone know of a good VPN?
     
    Posted: Oct 22, 2020 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  2. Darren_Ssc

    Darren_Ssc UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Mullvad was the VPN of choice a year or so ago but others may have come along since, it's always a changing market.

    Moziila have also released a VPN, don't know how secure it is but they are a trusted brand.

    https://vpn.mozilla.org/
     
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    Posted: Oct 22, 2020 By: Darren_Ssc Member since: Mar 1, 2019
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  3. Kerwin

    Kerwin UKBF Regular Free Member

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    I use ProtonVPN. It does have a free tier but the paid tiers are much better. Having said that I used the free tier for a couple of months with no real problems until I decided to upgrade to the paid offering.
     
    Posted: Oct 24, 2020 By: Kerwin Member since: Dec 1, 2018
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  4. alan1302

    alan1302 UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Have been using ExpressVPN for a few years without any issues
     
    Posted: Oct 25, 2020 By: alan1302 Member since: Jun 2, 2018
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  5. Financial-Modeller

    Financial-Modeller UKBF Enthusiast Full Member

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    VPNs can provide a range of benefits for a range of users and will meet varying needs to a greater or lesser extent, but I've being using NordVPN for a few years for work and it works well. There are always discounts if you look around.
     
    Posted: Oct 25, 2020 By: Financial-Modeller Member since: Jul 3, 2012
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  6. Ally Maxwell

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    Surfshark seems good. Had it a while.
     
    Posted: Oct 25, 2020 By: Ally Maxwell Member since: Jan 1, 1970
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  7. Naheed Mir

    Naheed Mir UKBF Regular Free Member

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    I will recommend using an express VPN. I haven't face any issue till now.
    It has three subscription options; you can choose any bundle from it as
    per your need.
     
    Posted: Oct 26, 2020 By: Naheed Mir Member since: Aug 10, 2020
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  8. AlasterCook

    AlasterCook UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    There are different types of VPN available on the Internet. You can try for 1. HMA 2. ZenMate 3. Hola VPN.
     
    Posted: Oct 27, 2020 By: AlasterCook Member since: Oct 23, 2020
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  9. estwig

    estwig UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Different types of VPN - could you elude please?
     
    Posted: Oct 27, 2020 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  10. Financial-Modeller

    Financial-Modeller UKBF Enthusiast Full Member

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    Posted: Oct 27, 2020 By: Financial-Modeller Member since: Jul 3, 2012
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  11. AlasterCook

    AlasterCook UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Yeah, you are right. Some of them were really good. I had great experience of using them. Thank you!
     
    Posted: Oct 28, 2020 By: AlasterCook Member since: Oct 23, 2020
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  12. estwig

    estwig UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Thank you for the sugestions, appreciate it.

    I've had second thoughts on the need for another VPN, the one bundled with Bitdefender is rock solid on all my devices running on wifi and data. My main work PC sits on it's own LAN without any wifi or bluetooth for that matter. My main concern is the increasing number of 'script kiddies' out there sniffing, but they can't get at my work PC as it doesn't have wifi, it doesn't sit on a LAN using DHCP, it has the only ip address available on that LAN.

    Unless someone can see a flaw in my thinking, I don't see the need for a VPN on my wired work PC.
     
    Posted: Nov 4, 2020 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  13. KM-Tiger

    KM-Tiger UKBF Legend Full Member - Verified Business

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    Presumably that's a /32 vLAN? Unusual but possible.

    What are the firewalling arrangements between that vLAN and the outside world?
     
    Posted: Nov 4, 2020 By: KM-Tiger Member since: Aug 10, 2003
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  14. estwig

    estwig UKBF Legend Free Member

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    I don't know about the 32 thingy, no idea, but it's your fav router a Draytek Vigor and all the firewall settings are maxed out, even better than that after all these years, I've just about got my head around how to work it! The bits I need to understand anyway, bl**dy router could run an entire office block on it's own.

    Several different LANS and Vlans, all nicely configured with hidden ssid and isolation on the network for key devices, then a completely separate 'toys' network for TV boxes, DLNA music server and casting from a spare mobile that doesn't leave the house.

    Look at me go!!!!! :)
     
    Posted: Nov 4, 2020 By: estwig Member since: Sep 29, 2006
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  15. wayzgoose

    wayzgoose UKBF Enthusiast Free Member

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    IP Vanish and Proton free version on my phone for testing.
     
    Posted: Nov 4, 2020 By: wayzgoose Member since: Oct 9, 2007
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  16. fc-ramon

    fc-ramon UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    Proton VPN and Mullvad are the best privacy wise. Others may vary but those 2 are the most trusted. Proton has a free plan (with no p2p) while mullvad is a flat 5 euros a month
     
    Posted: Nov 7, 2020 By: fc-ramon Member since: Nov 6, 2020
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  17. forevergroup

    forevergroup UKBF Contributor Full Member

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    We are an enterprise networks and cyber security specialist with numerous Cisco accreditations, so hopefully reasonably well-placed to assist.

    It seems like you have already drawn the correct conclusion that your initial requirement (security) isn't necessarily the primary use case for a personal VPN service.

    Personal VPN services will of course encrypt your data from endpoint to the point the data is ready to break out to the public internet, which is useful when working from an unsecured network.

    However, in that regard they serve no greater utility than a VPN back to your own LAN.

    Either can certainly help to thwart MITM/SSL compromise attacks. However the primary use case for a personal VPN in your own LAN would be anonymisation of traffic delivery to another location.

    As security is the main objective, it helps to appreciate what the main attack vectors actually are for users and endpoints. Sniffing of internet traffic is way down the list.

    More than 90% of cyber attacks start with a phishing attack, so from a business standpoint an email security layer (or two) offers far more utility than personal VPN.

    For larger organisations, it makes sense to supplement gateway and AI email protections with user-centric efforts e.g. phishing training. They're targeting your users, after all.

    Likewise, more than 80% of cyber attacks use DNS at some point of the kill chain. Simply using a third party private VPN service for your traffic and DNS resolution does little to prevent that.

    You will therefore gain far more utility from adding a dedicated web filtering solution such as Cisco Umbrella or TitanHQ WebTitan to your mix. These can help prevent access to malware callback or phishing domains and IP addresses.

    For endpoint security, Bitdefender is in my opinion the best 'regular' AV solution as per independent testing. For businesses, you may wish to add Advanced Threat Security (sandboxing) and EDR to supplement that protection.

    In short: to add 'security' for a (business) Bitdefender user I would recommend that you consider adding web/email security (if not already) - ATS/EDR - and if possible intrusion prevention at network edge.

    We evangelise this kind of multi-layer cyber security strategy, preferably from multiple different vendors, to give multiple attempts to block threats.

    Best to think of Bitdefender (or any endpoint security solution for that matter) as your goalkeeper and everything else as a strong back four. You wouldn't want to play without defenders would you?

    PS. It's surprisingly common for Cisco Umbrella to find malicious content within backlink URLs we are reviewing for SEO...
     
    Posted: Nov 10, 2020 By: forevergroup Member since: Sep 12, 2020
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  18. Emre Eldar

    Emre Eldar UKBF Contributor Free Member

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    You can try a Private Internet Access VPN. I use both paid and free and work well. For free VPN, I used Windscribe VPN and Hoxx VPN
     
    Posted: Nov 19, 2020 By: Emre Eldar Member since: Nov 6, 2020
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  19. Naheed Mir

    Naheed Mir UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Yes, you are right the Windscribe VPN and Hoxx VPN are good.
    Similarly, express VPN and Super VPN, free versions are also good.
    Moreover, I have recently used Opera inbuilt VPN. The inbuilt VPN
    works very well.
     
    Posted: Dec 7, 2020 By: Naheed Mir Member since: Aug 10, 2020
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  20. forevergroup

    forevergroup UKBF Contributor Full Member

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    I used to use Express VPN but I found it to be expensive for what it costs. I played about with self-hosting an OpenVPN server in public cloud which had pros (speed) but also cons (lack of flexibility).

    In the end I settled for PIA (Private Internet Access) which did everything I wanted and worked out much cheaper on an annual basis.

    I do have a referral link on my personal PIA account which gives friends an extra month free - please feel free to PM me if anyone wants it.

    (I'm not going to post it here just in case the moderators incorrectly assume that my business has a commercial relationship with PIA - we don't).
     
    Posted: Dec 7, 2020 By: forevergroup Member since: Sep 12, 2020
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