Europe should we stay in or get out?

[Newchodge]

Ask @The Byre, he'll enlighten you. I'm off out to a regulated concert

Have fun

 

[KM-Tiger]

The Leave camp is as much part of the Establishment, as you call it, as the Remain camp;

You think Nigel Farage is part of the Establishment?

 

[Newchodge]

You think Nigel Farage is part of the Establishment?

Actually yes. Look at his education. Look at his political history.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

I believe that this referendum should have never been held. This is a Tory project that it's leading to a very divisive atmosphere in the country and maybe even a departure from the EU. From a business perspective a Brexit can only spell disaster. Just when many businesses are recovering from the previous crash we risk causing the next one.

There's a good article from David Mitchell regarding this point:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rliament-leaders-david-cameron-david-mitchell

Whether we, the public, like it or not, we are under-qualified when it comes to decisions like this. This is why we have leaders, who can call upon the expertise to make decisions regarding such unfathomably complex matters.

The Government have just side-stepped their responsibilities and pushed this decision back on the public. If it then turns out to be a terrible decision, they can just say "it was your choice".

It is undoubtedly a decision which requires hundreds of hours worth of research for a clear picture. Whilst some are prepared to do that, the majority are not. A big part of this referendum has just descended into sound-bites and conjuring up feelings of emotion which override logic.

I find the leave group particularly guilty of this, with Donald Trump-like phrases such as "let's put the great back into Great Britain". It's just utterly meaningless rhetoric which flies against the huge consensus that Brexit will severely damage our economy and cause lasting harm.

In many people, strengthens feelings of patriotism and nationalism to the point where the facts are almost ignored entirely. This applies to pro-EU and anti-EU stances. I suspect there are a lot of voters out there who have largely overlooked the tangible facts of both arguments.

Of course, I fully understand the democratic nature of it, and I suspect many leave campaigners appreciate the opportunity, but it is a dangerous thing for the public to fight over when sentiment can be so heavily swayed by biased media, emotional sound-bites and misleading points.

 

[KM-Tiger]

It is undoubtedly a decision which requires hundreds of hours worth of research for a clear picture.

Don't agree, it's really a very simple question:

Do you want democracy or not?

Everything else is a detail. Whether we remain or leave there will be ups/downs/swings/roundabouts/gains/losses.

But if we remain, then democracy will be gone forever. It won't matter a jot who we elect to Westminster as they will have to carry out the EU's bidding.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

How on earth did you find the courage to start your own business? You sound like a frightened rabbit. Have you no faith in the British people or British businesses. We can stand on our own feet.

Personally, I think this referendum is well overdue and could be the saving of the UK. People have no hope these days. This referendum will give them the fighting spirit that the EU has drained out of them. You are not being asked to sacrifice your life as happened in WW1 & WW11, but they have the same end goal, ie. a free, democratic country that is not ruled by a foreign power.

I will be very disappointed if we agree to revert to the EEA. We don't need it and we don't want uncontrolled immigration. We want controlled point scored immigration.

I've been chatting with a Business Consultant today, and he is still recruiting and assisting businesses to grow. He has seen no adverse effects at all, and his first big project starts on the 1st July, regardless of the outcome of this referendum.

The EU is a stinking pile of corruption and they will rule it with a rod of iron. All the 'carrots' seem to be disappearing and they threaten with the 'stick' more frequently now if anyone dares defy them. Example: 250,000 Euro fine for every refugee refused entry.

This is a prime example of utterly meaningless rhetoric which has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever:

"Have you no faith in the British people?"
"We can stand on our own feet"
"The EU referendum will be the saving of the UK"
"The referendum will give Brits 'the fighting spirit'" (my personal favourite)
"They will rule it with a rod of iron"

Come on. As for the EEA, we will join it. Perhaps we wouldn't if Nigel Farage was Prime Minister, but fortunately he's nowhere near that post, and what we do have is a largely pro-EU Parliament spanning all the main parties.

Given the UK's urgent need to maintain the status quo (or risk causing tremendous harm to the UK economy), the fastest, easiest and cheapest route to keeping access to the single market and maintaining regulations will be the EEA, and that is where we will go.

I'm amazed some people think that won't happen. There's no way on earth the UK will risk years of economic uncertainty, eroding investor confidence and being shut off from the single market whilst they try to negotiate a FTA with the EU, which is likely to be less lucrative than open single market access under EU/EEA membership.

 

[Newchodge]

Don't agree, it's really a very simple question:

Do you want democracy or not?

Everything else is a detail. Whether we remain or leave there will be ups/downs/swings/roundabouts/gains/losses.

But if we remain, then democracy will be gone forever. It won't matter a jot who we elect to Westminster as they will have to carry out the EU's bidding.

Of course I want a democracy. I want a democracy that will return the government that will do what I want it to do; as do you. Hang on, that's not democracy, is it?

 

[KM-Tiger]

I want a democracy that will return the government that will do what I want it to do; as do you.

Indeed we don't always get that. But if we have the opportunity to vote, then we can accept the decision of the majority.

With the EU there is no such option. At all. Ever.

 

[Newchodge]

Indeed we don't always get that. But if we have the opportunity to vote, then we can accept the decision of the majority.

With the EU there is no such option. At all. Ever.

I feel a hell of a lot safer with the EU controlling what this government can do, even if only in the smallest way.

 

[Newchodge]

Sorry, but that post just seems to be pandering to your interpretation of what the daily screams are saying - almost as if that's representative of what some the 'outers' are actually asking.

Which is a perfectly pertinent question in my opinion; Is uncontrolled immigration a good thing for the UK?

Hi Simon, if you're back from your regulated concert. Did you hear how many times Gove used the 'get back control' phrase in his interviews yesterday and today. it is their current phrase of the moment. Please tell me what it means.

 

[KM-Tiger]

I feel a hell of a lot safer with the EU controlling what this government can do, even if only in the smallest way.

Up to you, but it's not in the smallest way. It's everything. The Lisbon Treaty handed competence to the EU in virtually all areas of govt. Criminal Justice, defence, foreign policy etc.

 

[Newchodge]

Up to you, but it's not in the smallest way. It's everything. The Lisbon Treaty handed competence to the EU in virtually all areas of govt. Criminal Justice, defence, foreign policy etc.

Thank God for that. Given the government hat we elected.

 

[sirearl]

I suspect most people on here are to young to know how much Britain has changed for the worse since 1973.

 

[Newchodge]

That's a bit sweeping.

There are many ways we have changed for the worse and many we have changed for the better. Little of either has to do with the EU.

And, yes, I am old enough to remember.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

Don't agree, it's really a very simple question:

Do you want democracy or not?

Everything else is a detail. Whether we remain or leave there will be ups/downs/swings/roundabouts/gains/losses.

But if we remain, then democracy will be gone forever. It won't matter a jot who we elect to Westminster as they will have to carry out the EU's bidding.

I will tell you what I want.

I want:

- Peace in the UK.
- Peace and cooperation with our neighbours.
- Countries looking out for each other, not just themselves, as this path has brought almost continuous wars and conflict for thousands of years.
- A secure future for me and my family.
- A good education for my children.
- A strong, stable economy where myself and my family never have to worry about money.
- A day-to-day life of peace and prosperity with a bright future to look forward to.

I believe I'm far more likely to gain all of these things by remaining in the EU.

True democracy is an illusion. In the 2015 General Election, UKIP won 3.8 million votes, but gained only one MP. The Conservatives won 11.3 million votes, but gained 330 MPs.

2.9 times more votes, but 330 times more decision-makers in Parliament.

12% of the popular vote, but 0.2% of the MPs.

One MP per 34,242 votes, vs one MP per 3.8million votes.

That is the "democracy" you are so keen to protect at any cost to our country?

And then there are the many other factors. Politicians lie, they change their minds, and they band together with other political groups to change the political landscape against the will of the people. They can also choose anyone they wish to join their cabinet and make the decisions, and change them on a whim if they wish to do so.

Even then, the UK Government still holds immense power, with huge control over taxes, healthcare, education, justice and public spending, with individual councils receiving budgets to act upon the very streets and neighbourhoods surrounding our homes. This is all topped off by the total power to leave at any time, even if we choose to remain in 2016.

And then you have the EU itself, we we do, as a country, have a say. As Lawyers in for Britain put it:

In practice, the UK has had significant influence over the development of single market legislation particularly in relation to telecoms, energy and financial services where EU legislation is largely based on the UK model. In other areas, notably pharmaceutical regulation and competition law, UK legislation is closely modelled on EU law. That would remain the case even if the UK were to leave the EU but the UK would cease to have any influence over the future development of that law.

Indeed, if the UK were to leave the EU, it would have no real say on EU legislation, but much of its business would remain subject to EU law in order for UK products and services to be accepted in other EU countries.

We cannot escape being heavily influenced by EU regulations, either directly or indirectly, if you want this country to prosper and grow. The question is whether you want to sacrifice us having any sort of say in them in the future.

 

[simon field]

Hi Simon, if you're back from your regulated concert. Did you hear how many times Gove used the 'get back control' phrase in his interviews yesterday and today. it is their current phrase of the moment. Please tell me what it means.

I've no idea, he's not a person I'd listen to to be honest I don't watch TV, read newspapers or mainstream news channels of the internet. What do you take it to mean?

 

[sirearl]

That's a bit sweeping.

There are many ways we have changed for the worse and many we have changed for the better. Little of either has to do with the EU.

And, yes, I am old enough to remember.

If you are then you must have a bad memory or were to young to understand what went on.

I did not say that it was all due to the EU although it did have a profund effect on our economy.

Apart from the vast improvement in medicine,,I would be interested in what else you consider has improved for the average Joe.?

Considering Britain has the lowest quality of life in the EU,a far more important consideration than the economy.

 

[Deleted member 226268]

If you are then you must have a bad memory or were to young to understand what went on.

I did not say that it was all due to the EU although it did have a profund effect on our economy.

Apart from the vast improvement in medicine,,I would be interested in what else you consider has improved for the average Joe.?

Considering Britain has the lowest quality of life in the EU,a far more important consideration than the economy.

.

Up to 1973 we had our.......

OWN......

Empire of dependent countries producing our edible goods.

Coal mining industry.
Power stations.
World leading Railway industry.
Huge Car manufacturing industry making British cars.
Truck and trailer industry.
Steel making industry.
Aluminium and copper works.
Glass production.
Aircraft industry with our own Aircraft and engines.
Heavy Lathes and machinery manufacturing companies.
Shipbuilding industry and shipyards.
Wool and weaving production.
Limestone and cement works.
Plastics and injection die making.
Timber production.
Major Fishing fleets.
Tractors and agricultural machinery.
ICI Chemicals and paints.
Radar and military electronics industries.
Home electronics, Radio and Hi-Fi., T.V's, washing machines, cookers, fridges ...
Motorcycle factories making British Motorcycles.

Lots of factories, Full employment.
Few immigrants.

Honest politicians ( almost ) not the two faced, slimy self-serving
shits that we have now.

Then in 1973 Ted Heath decides that Britain will join the EEC common market.
Great idea. ( For your own good, you understand )
No referendum.
No one asked us Dumbed down Sheep for a vote.

Then a few years later we were Thatcherized.
Privatised.
Traitorised.
Sodomised.

Everything that we had was eventually sold off to foreigners with the largest wallets.
Where did all that money go ?

What jobs are left now ? ....... 3 million Web site designers. 2 million McDonalds burger flippers.

What do we own now ?
Name something .... anything.

Just about everything that you and I now own, spent some part of it's life when new
aboard the Emma Maersk on it's way from Shanghai.

The British Empire collapsed faster than the Roman Empire.

Watch out for those Green shoots of recovery.

.

 

[ShirleyM]

We cannot escape being heavily influenced by EU regulations, either directly or indirectly, if you want this country to prosper and grow. The question is whether you want to sacrifice us having any sort of say in them in the future.

That is where our views differ. On Brexit, only exports to the EU will be subject to EU regulations. The rest of the regulations we can keep or change, as we choose.

We will be sacrificing very little by leaving the EU. We have very little influence in the EU, and it will reduce further as new countries join. Leave the UK, and we can do what is best for the UK, not what is best for the failing Eurozone.

I agree that our democracy needs to join the 21st century, but first things first. We need to get out of the EU, otherwise we won't need a parliament at all.

Too many people have a rose tinted view of the EU. It isn't the altruistic democratic organisation they think it is. It is dictatorship by stealth. There is very little democracy now. Where is the EU manifesto (other than wanting full political control of Europe)? Why do they negotiate in secret? Why do we rarely learn about new laws until they are signed sealed and delivered. The EU do not plan to have a federal state such as the USA where the public vote for powerful senators and the president, and states have many powers of their own. The EU want supreme power in all areas for unelected individuals.

 

[john1989]

@Scott-Copywriter if you think your children will receive a better education by being part of the EU, then you are mistaken.

My partner, a teaching assistant, sees every day what uncontrolled immigration is doing to the education system.

 

[evdstap]

Don't agree, it's really a very simple question:

Do you want democracy or not?

Everything else is a detail. Whether we remain or leave there will be ups/downs/swings/roundabouts/gains/losses.

But if we remain, then democracy will be gone forever. It won't matter a jot who we elect to Westminster as they will have to carry out the EU's bidding.

The referendum question is not about democracy, it is Do we want to stay in the EU or not.

Democracy is one consideration in that, but not the only one. I don't agree that the EU is totally undemocratic and the UK is totally democratic. Both are on the democratic spectrum and you can argue about how democratic and what we can do to improve it.

Other consideration are equally valid for consideration and the economic one is very important in my view. The debate today has been so muddled that 2/3 of voters apparently believe that there will be an economic effect, but that it will not affect them personally. That is a serious problem in my view.

Other issues are equally valid.

 

[Deleted member 59730]

Don't agree, it's really a very simple question:

Do you want democracy or not?
.

How naive! The UK version of democracy is a farce. Whoever we vote for we get an oligarchy. Its Rupert Murdoch, Google, Amazon etc. who get what they want against the best outcomes for individual citizens. At least the EU is standing up for us against the corporations.

 

[KM-Tiger]

The UK version of democracy is a farce.

It is certainly less than perfect, but the people (ie voters) have power to change a govt if they so wish. 1944, 1979, 1997, 2010 were GEs where there was a significant change of govt and thus the direction the country went in.

The people of the EU have no such power.

 

[evdstap]

It is certainly less than perfect, but the people (ie voters) have power to change a govt if they so wish. 1944, 1979, 1997, 2010 were GEs where there was a significant change of govt and thus the direction the country went in.

The people of the EU have no such power.

The people have the power to change the European Council and the MEP's , too, and they make the laws in the EU.

 

[ShirleyM]

Did you hear how many times Gove used the 'get back control' phrase in his interviews yesterday and today. it is their current phrase of the moment. Please tell me what it means.

It's quite simple. 'Get back control' means UK law will become supreme to EU law. We won't need to get the EU's permission only for it to be refused. The recent amendment to get the NHS excluded from TTIP is smoke and mirrors as EU law can just override it. If you think I am exaggerating think about the tampon tax, Think about vacuum cleaners and kettles. The UK aren't even allowed to determine such minor details for ourselves.

 

[ShirleyM]

At least the EU is standing up for us against the corporation.

Not true. Do some research on the 'revolving door' between lobbyists and the commissioners. The commissioners are lobbied in secret by multinationals and they spend billions to get the laws to protect their profits. Several organisations have been trying to get lobbying to be more open, but have failed. The EU don't want that information to be available to the public.

 

[Deleted member 59730]

Think about vacuum cleaners and kettles. The UK aren't even allowed to determine such minor details for ourselves.

So, the UK should determine the energy efficiency of kettles and vacuum cleaners for themselves??? If appliances made in the UK do not fit with widely accepted standards there will not be a single country in the world who will import them. There are very good reasons for having universal standards. Look at other appliances like fridges and freezers which now use a fraction of the energy of those old British standard fridges of 40 years ago.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

if you think your children will receive a better education by being part of the EU, then you are mistaken.

My partner, a teaching assistant, sees every day what uncontrolled immigration is doing to the education system.

A nicely-timed article came out today regarding this point:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...u-migrant-pupils-perform-better-a7060106.html

Schools with a large number of immigrant children from the European Union outperform those without, new research suggests.

If we leave the EU, and our economy inevitably takes damage, with the risk of it being quite serious, just watch how much worse schools will get when austerity deepens and more budget cuts are made to balance the books.

I'm not saying either situation is perfect, but there's a very real risk of making it a whole lot worse whilst still having to deal with the number of non-EU migrants who, whilst "controlled", still outnumber the amount of EU migrants entering the UK every year.

 

[ShirleyM]

The people have the power to change the European Council and the MEP's , too, and they make the laws in the EU.

Not true. The president Juncker is not elected. The president becomes one of the commissioners and then he chooses the other 27 commissioners. The commissioners decide what laws to make, and they format those laws. The MEP's have very little power and exist merely to give the illusion of a democracy. The 28 heads of state get to rubber stamp those laws, but again they have limited powers. Think about it. Cameron can sign anything he likes in the EU. In the UK he has to get it through the Commons and the Lords. This has resulted in 11 U-turns. There is no 'opposition' in the EU. A bad UK law can be repealed by the next UK government. A bad EU law cannot be repealed by anyone, including the next UK Prime Minister.

 

[Deleted member 59730]

One of the big benefits of the EU is the reciprocal health card. Many savvy students are now choosing to study at EU universities because it is cheaper than the UK. Take away the health card and it is no longer a level playing field.

 

[john1989]

A nicely-timed article came out today regarding this point:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...u-migrant-pupils-perform-better-a7060106.html



If we leave the EU, and our economy inevitably takes damage, with the risk of it being quite serious, just watch how much worse schools will get when austerity deepens and more budget cuts are made to balance the books.

I'm not saying either situation is perfect, but there's a very real risk of making it a whole lot worse whilst still having to deal with the number of non-EU migrants who, whilst "controlled", still outnumber the amount of EU migrants entering the UK every year.

Scott, well my partner on the front line must be wrong, and the newspaper must be correct.


From what me partner tells me, most of the children from the EU within her school speak very little English. Some of them become frustrated with the language barrier and are constantly attention seeking (throwing objects, making stupid sounds etc). Other frustrated EU pupils lash out physically at other pupils and staff.


They also ruin other pupils academic progress, because rather than teaching, teachers are having to deal with unruly children (not just EU pupils, but predominantly so).


What they also have in her school is a lot of fights instigated by Eastern Pupils against Asian children. They think a lot of this is to do with racism being widely accepted back home.

 

[ShirleyM]

If we leave the EU, and our economy inevitably takes damage

There are no guarantees, leave or stay. Can you guarantee things won't get worse if we Remain? Can you guarantee we won't get mass immigration every year. The immigration numbers will continue to rise each and every year due to the high unemployment in the EU, and that's without new countries joining. We don't have the infrastructure to cope, and the people are already at breaking point due to lower wages, cutbacks, lack of school places and a failing NHS.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

.Coal mining industry.
Power stations.
World leading Railway industry.
Huge Car manufacturing industry making British cars.
Truck and trailer industry.
Steel making industry.
Aluminium and copper works.
Glass production.
Aircraft industry with our own Aircraft and engines.
Heavy Lathes and machinery manufacturing companies.
Shipbuilding industry and shipyards.
Wool and weaving production.
Limestone and cement works.
Plastics and injection die making.
Timber production.
Major Fishing fleets.
Tractors and agricultural machinery.
ICI Chemicals and paints.
Radar and military electronics industries.
Home electronics, Radio and Hi-Fi., T.V's, washing machines, cookers, fridges ...
Motorcycle factories making British Motorcycles.

And none of this has anything to do with the EU.

You need to let go of this British Empire rhetoric. The world has changed. Somehow thinking Brexit will take us back to where we were before is just ridiculous.

China and other developing nations came along and were simply prepared to do things for far less money than we were. British people wanted higher wages and cheaper products, which made our positions in these markets untenable.

Britain could be a world leader in manufacturing once again if British workers were prepared to work for as little as Chinese workers are, but obviously we are not. That's just a downside of global capitalism, and has nothing to do with the EU's political landscape.

Even the United States, a country famed by Brexiteers as an example of strength outside of the EU, takes heavy advantage of Mexican maquiladoras. This is where US companies set up factories in Mexico near the border and take advantage of cheap Mexican labour before importing the goods back into the US.

Besides, the real issue is the inevitable situation where robots and automatic machines take over the jobs of manufacturing workers. It has already started and it will grow exponentially in the coming decades as they become smarter and more capable with advancing technology. Some experts believe that most jobs will be replaced by robots within the next 30 years, causing mass unemployment. This is not some far-flung problem. It's happening right now.

This is why the UK's service-based economy is so well set for the future, as it's much more difficult to create cheaper automated systems which replace jobs which require a lot of human ingenuity, creativity and decision making.

Why do you think that China has made it openly clear that they're trying to transition from a manufacturing economy to a service-based economy?

Big changes are coming, and we will be much better positioned to handle those within the strength and coordination of the EU.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

If we leave the EU, and our economy inevitably takes damage

There are no guarantees, leave or stay. Can you guarantee things won't get worse if we Remain? Can you guarantee we won't get mass immigration every year. The immigration numbers will continue to rise each and every year due to the high unemployment in the EU, and that's without new countries joining. We don't have the infrastructure to cope, and the people are already at breaking point due to lower wages, cutbacks, lack of school places and a failing NHS.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referen...ists-say-brexit-will-damage-uk-growth-1562596

And economists rarely ever agree on anything.

It's certain that the UK economy will be hit hard by Brexit because of one, undeniable fact: uncertainty.

Uncertainty kills economies. It makes businesses more cautious and spooks investors. If we do leave, for every day which passes where the future is uncertain, the UK economy will be damaged. For every day that we don't have complete and open access to the EU single market, businesses and the huge supply chains will suffer.

This is why we will join the EEA. That is a quick and simple path to maintaining the status quo, solidifying the UK's position and allowing it to continue forwards. Anything else is years of restricted markets during protracted trade deal negotiations where the outcome is not certain until the very end.

During this current period of global economic downturn in everything from manufacturing to oil, this is not something the UK can afford to take. Not even close.

It's exceedingly likely that a vote for Brexit is a vote for the EEA, with the same free movement of goods, services and people. Anyone who disagrees is just blinded by the words of Boris and Nigel, two people with big voices during this referendum, but absolutely no power whatsoever in the pro-EU Parliament where this decision will be made.

 

[Deleted member 226268]

And none of this has anything to do with the EU.

You need to let go of this British Empire rhetoric. The world has changed. Somehow thinking Brexit will take us back to where we were before is just ridiculous.
China and other developing nations came along and were simply prepared to do things for far less money than we were. British people wanted higher wages and cheaper products, which made our positions in these markets untenable.


Nothing directly to do with the current Brexit issue, or not, but because we have allowed our politicians to give everything we had
away, over just a few decades, we are now almost totally dependent on the E.U.
The point being is that if we completely detached ourselves from the E.U. smothering, and had some leaders with balls,
the main goal would be getting Britain back to where we were.

China and other developing nations have managed to rise, in the same economic world, and recession, it is the E.U. holding us back
from hope of recovery, not allowing us free trade with other nations of the World, outside the E.U.

If we don't free ourselves from the E.U. restrictions, now, while we have a chance, this will never happen, and we will become just another,
and insignificant, small region of the Euro-state, with no influence at all, and no further hope of any independence.

 

[Newchodge]

You are living in a dream world "getting Britain back to where we were". How do you imagine, for one second, that that will happen?

"EU restrictions" exactly which EU restrictions prevent us developing?

 

[ShirleyM]

Big changes are coming, and we will be much better positioned to handle those within the strength and coordination of the EU.

Where the EU will restrict us from getting trade deals of our own, and even if we get EU trade deals there will be trade offs where the UK gets a less good deal so that France can have special rules for pate de foie gras (as example) included, or something that won't help the UK at all?

Where our 'success' is handed over to failing EU economies as happen now? What's the point of having a strong economy and suffering an ever expanding population when it doesn't help the UK people one little bit? Aren't we already last in the queue? We hand over vast sums of money to the EU in addition to the membership fee, and our national debt is spiralling out of control. Even Cameron said the UK would be fine outside the .EU, but now wants everyone to march to a different tune

 

[Deleted member 226268]

You are living in a dream world "getting Britain back to where we were". How do you imagine, for one second, that that will happen?

"EU restrictions" exactly which EU restrictions prevent us developing?

The E.U. hold many restrictions over us, preventing us doing what we want, or need, to do.
All in the small print that no-one bothered to read.

Throwing unwanted foreign criminals out is just one example.
Because of their human rights.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nge-on-british-sovereignty-and-if-the-uk-vot/

The import and export regulations restrict what, and who we trade with outside the Euro-union, if we are not in the EU,
we could then trade with anyone we like around the world.

https://sourcingjournalonline.com/45752/

We would be better off if we could decide for ourselves who we trade with.

 

[ShirleyM]

It's certain that the UK economy will be hit hard by Brexit because of one, undeniable fact: uncertainty.

Uncertainty caused by Cameron's doom and gloom predictions, which are pure propaganda. If business can make a profit in the UK it will stay in the UK. If it can only survive through importing hundreds of immigrants on minimum wage, and then expect the taxpayer to make up their wages while paying little or no corporation tax, then quite honestly they are not contributing at all. They are actually a drain.

 

[Newchodge]

The E.U. hold many restrictions over us, preventing us doing what we want, or need, to do.
All in the small print that no-one bothered to read.

Throwing unwanted foreign criminals out is just one example.
Because of their human rights.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...nge-on-british-sovereignty-and-if-the-uk-vot/

The import and export regulations restrict what, and who we trade with outside the Euro-union, if we are not in the EU,
we could then trade with anyone we like around the world.

https://sourcingjournalonline.com/45752/

We would be better off if we could decide for ourselves who we trade with.

All other countries also have import and export regulations which will restrict us far more than the EU restrictions.

As for throwing out unwanted foreign criminals our own laws have always prevented our deporting people who may face serious human rights abuses in their own countries. That law existed long before we joined the EU.