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Cautionary tale for users of Nochex

Discussion in 'E-Commerce Forum' started by Mr C, Dec 11, 2006.

  1. Mr C

    Mr C UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I was delighted when I first discovered Nochex years ago. Finally, an alternative to the arrogant, high risk organisation forced upon us by eBay.

    Like many, I initally offered Nochex as an alternative payment method. But, after an extremely unpleasant experience with eBay's pet payment handler, I opted to use Nochex exclusively.

    I used all my eBay listings to promote the company to the best of my ability, praising Nochex as 'The UK's answer to Paypal' and encouraging buyers to 'Support British Business' by using Nochex. I made a point of always mentioning that buyers had paid by Nochex in the feedback comments I left. Over time, I noticed an increase in the number of people happy to use Nochex. Things began to look rather encouraging.

    Then in August I was informed that I had reached a transaction limit at which Nochex were legally obligated to gather certain information from me. I was aware that this would happen and was not in the least worried about it. I had always conducted my Nochex account in an impeccable fashion. Within hours of receiving the request for information from the 'Monitoring Team' I had replied, giving all that was requested of me.

    For over a month I heard nothing and continued trading as normal. Then another message, apologising for the delay and requesting further information. Dutifully I replied promptly once again. Two further requests for information followed that same day. To each I replied promptly and comprehensively.

    Another silence followed. During the next couple of months I was relatively inactive on eBay, pursuing other business interests and preparing a business plan for 2007. I had plans to launch my own e-commerce site that would be run alongside my eBay seller's account. I intended to apply for a Nochex merchant account, too.

    Early in December I listed the first items on eBay since circa October. I was pleased to see that I had made a double sale first thing the following morning. But I was also surprised to see a message from my buyer, asking why he had received an error message stating that my account was 'No longer active' when he had tried to pay by Nochex.

    To cut an already long story short, I found out that Nochex had closed my account with neither warning nor notice. To this day I do not know for sure exactly when they did this, or exactly why. My attempts to resolve the matter for the last week have thus far been a frustrating excercise in futility.

    I have been told that my account was closed as 'Nochex were unable to verify trading activities'. What a load of rubbish! I have invoices from reputable, UK suppliers. These most certainly prove my trading activities. I would have gladly shared these with Nochex. A pity they did not ask for them ...

    I have since asked for my account to be reinstated, offering to send copies of these invoices. Amazingly the reply has been 'We will not elaborate on or reconsider our decision'. This despite the fact that I have in my possession all the evidence that they could ever legitimately require? It beggars belief.

    Clearly this has a very serious impact upon my ability to trade on eBay over the Festive period. It also impacts my business plans for 2007, as Nochex state any new account opened by me will be closed.

    I have done nothing wrong!

    So firstly, I would like to take the opportunity to thank Nochex, from the bottom of my heart, for their part in killing my eBay selling business, ruining Christmas for my family and I and of course, for throwing a huge spanner into the works of my business plans for 2007.

    Secondly, I would like my experiences to serve as a warning to anyone currently reliant upon Nochex. Be extremely careful in any dealings with the 'Account Monitoring' team. Do not think that replying promptly and answering their questions will prove sufficient. Once you have provided any information they request, rack your brains for anything more that you could possibly provide and then SEND IT, whether or not they have requested it. DO NOT interpret a delay after their initial enquiries as evidence that all is well. CHASE THEM and ask if they have all they need.

    BE AWARE that your account could be closed at any time, without warning or subsequent notification and that once this happens, no matter what you say or do, the chances of getting your account back are slim.

    DO NOT ASSUME that just because you have done nothing wrong means this cannot happen to you. It happened to me. It can happen to anyone.

    When this all began, I created a thread on Nochex's forum 'The Greenroom' and kept it up to date as developments occurred. Shortly after the thread had run to two pages, the 'Complaints' board, part of the 'Feedback' section, was hidden from public view. You have to wonder why, if they know they have done nothing wrong ...

    The link is as follows:
    h t t p : / / greenroom . nochex . com / showthread.php?t=10072

    (Without the spaces, obviously!)

    Tread carefully, people.
    Posted: Dec 11, 2006 By: Mr C Member since: Dec 11, 2006
  2. Chris H

    Chris H UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Your link is expecting username and password.
    Posted: Dec 11, 2006 By: Chris H Member since: Oct 12, 2006
  3. Guest

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    I have to say that in 2 years of using Nochex I have never had a problem of any kind with them. This is an unfortunate turn of events for you but I can equally vouch for their efficiency. :)
    Posted: Dec 11, 2006 By: Member since: Jan 1, 1970
  4. Aspect Investments

    Aspect Investments UKBF Ace Free Member

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    I have always been satisfied with Nochex until I asked about a merchant account, and they ignored my emails, which I was not happy about.

    I have used worldpay for a number of years, they are fine.

    The link is on my signature if your interested.
    Posted: Dec 12, 2006 By: Aspect Investments Member since: Nov 26, 2006
  5. Carl-CSNM

    Carl-CSNM UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Also had no issues with Nochex yet <touch wood>

    WorldPay is too expensive.
    Posted: Dec 12, 2006 By: Carl-CSNM Member since: Apr 9, 2006
  6. Eagle

    Eagle UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Nochex had a GOLDEN opportunity to go head to head with PayPal when they rebranded in 2005.

    Doubtless, they had the budget for a big roll-out campaign but, instead, they blew it (in my opinion)...

    It's a real shame. :(
    Posted: Dec 12, 2006 By: Eagle Member since: Oct 3, 2004
  7. Aspect Investments

    Aspect Investments UKBF Ace Free Member

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    You get what you pay for Carl.

    If I have a Worldpay issue, which is very rare, I just pick up the phone and its sorted out there and then.

    Can you say the same for Paypal and Nochex?
    Posted: Dec 12, 2006 By: Aspect Investments Member since: Nov 26, 2006
  8. Eagle

    Eagle UKBF Legend Free Member

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    I've spoken to PayPal via phone on several occasions and problems have been sorted out right away.
    Posted: Dec 12, 2006 By: Eagle Member since: Oct 3, 2004
  9. Carl-CSNM

    Carl-CSNM UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Yes I can actually, I usually email as I find it easier same goes for Velocit Pay.

    WorldPay wanted silly money setup fee from me and then keep all my money for a month!
    Posted: Dec 12, 2006 By: Carl-CSNM Member since: Apr 9, 2006
  10. Talkrussian

    Talkrussian UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Talk Russian used to use Nochex, but then hit this mysterious 'trading limit' nonsense a while back. Requests for information etc then followed.

    At this point we got bored with them, and looked instead to set up as card merchants. There were lots of hoops, but we jumped through them and, even on a moderate volume, it's cheaper and easier even though you get a hit for set up fees.

    One tip, go to a big bank direct. You can get the money in 3 days (not 30), they'll set up card not present quickly. They're a bit jumpy about online, but they'll do that too if you ask. You can get a deal of around 2 per-cent on card not present (and about 25p for debit cards). You pay more for on-line stuff through a gateway though.

    And guess what, running your own merchant acc is much less hassle!

    Neil McCafferty
    Posted: Dec 16, 2006 By: Talkrussian Member since: Jun 4, 2005
  11. Astaroth

    Astaroth UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I havent started trading on my first ecom site yet but havent been too impressed with nochex so far... answered the same question 3 times and they then closed by account.

    Replied to the closure email and got asked for the same info again and gave it pointing out that it was the 4th time I supplied it and that it didnt really give me confidence in them and whilst they did reopen the account they didnt acknowledge my comments at all
    Posted: Dec 18, 2006 By: Astaroth Member since: Aug 24, 2005
  12. SpeedyExpressCouriers

    SpeedyExpressCouriers UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I've set up a website accepting Cheques, Postal orders and credit/debit cards. I have no merchant account yet and only gave the oprion of paying by card thinking my bank would give me a merchant account without any hassle.

    I was dead wrong, my bank refused me a merchant account because I will be selling computer software and have only been trading for less than 2 weeks.

    They say I have to be trading for 6 months before they can offer me a merchant account.

    How can I trade if im not accepting any cards on my website? I do not want to use online banks such as, Paypal, Nochex, Worldpay etc. There all a waste of time with the problems you get.

    Can anybody suggest other banks or any other way I can obtain a merchant account. I've also tried HSBC but had no luck. I don't really are about the fees for now, I need to start trading asap.
    Posted: Dec 21, 2006 By: SpeedyExpressCouriers Member since: Aug 27, 2006
  13. Eagle

    Eagle UKBF Legend Free Member

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    What problems?

    Well, it's online payment processor or bust...
    Posted: Dec 21, 2006 By: Eagle Member since: Oct 3, 2004
  14. adam1987

    adam1987 UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    The trouble with these paypal, nochex, etc... No matter how good your business is they can bring it to an end at any moment, is this a risk you can afford to take?

    After years of trading with ebay and paypal with endless trouble I have decided that I cant afford to let my business lie in there hands in which I plan to setup a few of my own ecommerce websites and accept credit card payments direct or maybe via worldpay.

    You must always remember no matter how much effort, time you put into it, it can always be closed down when you least expect it for no given reason.
    Posted: Dec 31, 2006 By: adam1987 Member since: Dec 30, 2006
  15. PrivateInvestigator

    PrivateInvestigator UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I had them contact me as well to verify my address after I reached the transaction limit. it was completed within days. I still use them.

    Why did you let it go for soo long? How much did you lose?

    I would have called them after a week of no reply.
    Posted: Jan 1, 2007 By: PrivateInvestigator Member since: Oct 12, 2006
  16. Marzy

    Marzy UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    I wish I could have seen this thread before!

    I registered with them this spring

    First of all they provided me login details. Which were wrong, and it took 3 days for them to sort it out.

    There was a big mess when I needed to confirm my account. But I've sent all documents to them and they approved it.

    After some time I tried to withdraw £100 to my account, and it said that withdraw function is disabled. I contacted them and answer came only after few days, telling me that minimum withdraw amount is £120.

    Few days ago I tried to withdraw £160 and it still said that withdrawals are disabled.

    I've sent them an email, afer 4 days I haven't received any answer and I tried to call them, nobody's answered phone I left a voice message for them to get back to me.

    Nobody's called me back, once I've got back home I found their email that my account was closed. NO REASONS, NO EXPLANATIONS.

    Now I only hope that I will be able to withdraw that money which was in that account.
    Posted: Oct 28, 2009 By: Marzy Member since: Jun 28, 2008
  17. quikshop

    quikshop UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    NoChex have a long and distinguished history of poor customer services and questionable account management. A quick search on Google will tell you everything you need to know.

    As for RBSWorldpay, we get our money within 3 working days and the account and merchant account were free to set up plus they are currently financially supported by you and me, the tax payer ;)
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2009
    Posted: Oct 28, 2009 By: quikshop Member since: Oct 11, 2006
  18. delpino

    delpino UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Anybody has something good to say? I'm just exploring their services, but encountered a few problems, such as problems logging in (password problems, they only allow numbers or letters in the password, no special chars), a dead link to a tutorial, references in guides to the Nochex forum, which is nowhere to be found, etc.
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2011
    Posted: Dec 9, 2011 By: delpino Member since: Nov 25, 2011
  19. buygifts

    buygifts UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    Had no issues with nochex since I have been using them the last couple of years.
    You have to manually withdraw funds which are then sent to your account via bacs.
    Just wish more customers would use them instead of paypal.
    Posted: Dec 10, 2011 By: buygifts Member since: Aug 23, 2011
  20. delpino

    delpino UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    You can't set a limit and then the money is sent automatically to my bank account? Whoa, in 2CO you can do this automatically. Then again 2CO charges a highter percentage.
    Posted: Dec 11, 2011 By: delpino Member since: Nov 25, 2011