GazaInNeed.org.uk! Help the people helping Gaza!

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Hello,

Over 257 children were killed over the past few weeks in Gaza and thousands more were injured.

There may be talks of ceasefire, but these children still need help!

Please visit the website from the Title to donate to a charity helping out in Gaza, to help these poor innocent children and civilians!

Many thanks,

Anhalo.
 
This is a legally registered charity I take it?

edit - My mistake, you're just offering links to official charities.
Apologises.
 
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yeah, at the time I set it up I didn't have much time to register my own charity, as the crisis was more urgent.
 
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Such a needless waste of life going on there. Both sides have very valid arguments that will never be resolved by violence. On the one hand you have the down trodden and on the other you have the terrorised. Answers on a postcard to.....

Simon
 
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Surely if they stopped firing rockets in to Israel then they wouldn't get killed or have I missed something?

I tend to agree even after the initial ceasefire they fired rockets first to kick it off again. But I agree too many innocent lives being lost
 
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I think there is a lack of understanding here as to the REAL cause of the problem.

If the ZIONIST's were not occupying land, slaughtering innocent people by the thousands...essentially inflicting a holocaust on the Palestinian people then there would be no resistance.

Why dont people go look at a map of the region...say a 70 year old map, its quite clear there was a place called Palestine...funny how its been wiped off the face of the earth...and no one seems to know or care, however if the President of Iran says such a thing about Isreal the whole world is ready to stand up for the Zionists.

The Zionists need to understand that the resistance or the will of the Palestinian people can never be broken...and until they learn that there is no way forward other than giving the Palestinians their rightful land and to treat them as human beings, the rockets will keep comming.

On the one side you have one of the most advanced military forces in the world on the other kids with stones, it dosent take a genius to work out that there is a massive inbalance of power.

I get VERY angry when people who know little about the conflict and its true cause make silly coments like those made above.

Isreal should be boycotted, the strong lobby in the UK should be singled out and bought to book over the act of terrorism committed by their commrades against innocents and lets not forget us the brits too.

It was us (the brits) that let this whole mess occur by issuing the Balfour act it should never have been passed, or they should have at least respected it and adheered to it.
 
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I just love people who know the REAL truth, and the ZIONISTS are all to blame, because they can use SHOUTY CAPS to argue with, despite the fact that they are representing just one face of a multifaceted problem.

BTW Swisslogistics, what has the "Balfour act" got to do with the middle east? The Balfour Act was a 1902 Education Act establishing local education authorities in England and Wales. You might mean the Balfour Declaration of 1917 which led to the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. A grasp of the details helps...

I get VERY angry when people who know little about the conflict and its true cause make silly coments like those made above.
Swisslogistics.
 
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But didn't Israel build the country up on a slither of land surrounded by people that want to wipe them off the face of the earth?

Okay, with hindsight not the best place to build your country!
 
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The Zionists need to understand that the resistance or the will of the Palestinian people can never be broken...and until they learn that there is no way forward other than giving the Palestinians their rightful land and to treat them as human beings, the rockets will keep comming.

Shame that the Hamas scum bags are using ambulances to transport their troops and using children as shields while they are firing AK's at Israeli Apaches. And then they parade their dead on the streets saying that Israel is slaughtering people in their thousands? Rubbish...

By the way, I am not too impressed that you are making posts that support terrorism.

Lets hope that the Mossad sneak into their (Hamas') homes at night and quietly slits their throats. A slightly more legitimate action than the one you are proposing.
 
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first off: I don't rightly understand the politics going on Israel vs Gaza.

I have to say though, I don't understand why everyone is being so anti-Israel. :|

AFAIK, Gaza started this most recent conflict - them being Hamas, a known terrorist organisation. Israel responded, and are now the bad guys. I know this is a very simplistic overview of the situation, but I just don't get it.

Bottom line is, both sides should stop. But that's easier said than done :(
 
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first off: I don't rightly understand the politics going on Israel vs Gaza.

I have to say though, I don't understand why everyone is being so anti-Israel. :|

AFAIK, Gaza started this most recent conflict - them being Hamas, a known terrorist organisation. Israel responded, and are now the bad guys. I know this is a very simplistic overview of the situation, but I just don't get it.

Bottom line is, both sides should stop. But that's easier said than done :(

The politics involved are centuries old and for most have been lost and are now merely a case of pure hatred!
 
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We merely returned to where we started!!

Cheshire? ;)

I agree it is terrible to see children suffering, but these Hamas clowns have used children as shields in the past and will again. The last time israel gave them a tanking they felt it, yet they continue to attack them.

"Powerful nations will kick your country's butt if you fire rockets to antagonise them" - basic teachings there !!

The whole 'Israel vs the rest of the Middle East' needs to be addressd, and the UK/US constantly arming Israel and turning a blind eye to them when they use heavy handed tactics is fundamentally wrong. But, someone in that area needs to propose a peaceful solution that will suit everyone, rather than cause more children hurt and further hatred to grow up with.

It will cease to be a problem once Iran goes fully nuclear anyways....
 
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The politics involved are centuries old and for most have been lost and are now merely a case of pure hatred!
Well aware of that... and the religious roots of the conflict can't be sorted out easily.

I just don't get why the Israelis are being painted as the bad guys when the other side are a known terrorist organisation... :|
 
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Cheshire? ;)

Piss off Mark ... :eek:

Well aware of that... and the religious roots of the conflict can't be sorted out easily.

I just don't get why the Israelis are being painted as the bad guys when the other side are a known terrorist organisation... :|

Israel are deemed to be hitting children, hospitals and schools and the propoganda is making sure everyone sees the tv pics of bodies of children ... without mentioning the years they have been firing missiles into Israel and killing civilians too!
 
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One thing I have learned from growing up in Nothern Ireland.....

Until people from opposing 'sides' of any conflict can actually see things from the other 'sides' perspective, there is no way to ever reach an agreement.

From what I ever see, the two 'sides' to this conflict (gaza) will never recognise the other's POV, and it seems to be turned into a purely 'religious' thing. I notice it from the posts on here even tbh.

In NI, we have finally recognised that both sides of the religious divide were causing grief to everyone, and that allowed people to actually move towards sorting the problem. There is a long way and a couple of generations before this really sorts itself, but in the meantime we have a few hundred less people being killed each year.

I still canot believe that relgions are so competitive that they allow for members the other religions to be killed without banishing/excommunicating everyone involved......
 
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One thing I have learned from growing up in Nothern Ireland.....

Until people from opposing 'sides' of any conflict can actually see things from the other 'sides' perspective, there is no way to ever reach an agreement.

From what I ever see, the two 'sides' to this conflict (gaza) will never recognise the other's POV, and it seems to be turned into a purely 'religious' thing. I notice it from the posts on here even tbh.

In NI, we have finally recognised that both sides of the religious divide were causing grief to everyone, and that allowed people to actually move towards sorting the problem. There is a long way and a couple of generations before this really sorts itself, but in the meantime we have a few hundred less people being killed each year.

I still canot believe that relgions are so competitive that they allow for members the other religions to be killed without banishing/excommunicating everyone involved......

There is one major difference though between what happens there and what happens here!

You have to understand that religion is not just something that happens on a Friday/Sat/Sun (delete where applicable!) its a way of life. The religion dictates what you wear, what you eat, who you are seen with etc etc, so to purely look at changing that is niaive, you are looking at asking the various to completely change their whole way of thinking and breathing.
 
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Our first observation concerns a key failing across the BBC and the broadsheets: a virtual absence of communication to audiences about who Hamas actually are and what they represent. We ran a simple index looking for mentions of facts such as:

· Hamas does not recognise Israel
· Hamas calls for Israel’s destruction in its Charter
· Hamas refuses to renounce violence against Israelis
· Hamas has a history of violence against Israelis
· Hamas does not accept previous peace agreements between Israel and the Palestinians

The results are startling. Only 5% of news articles in the broadsheet newspapers made any reference to any of these indicators. Of 18 reports on the Today Programme, one made reference to Hamas’ Charter and the rest made no mention of any of the other indicators, and of ten programmes on the BBC Six and Ten O’clock news, only one included an interview excerpt with Tzipi Livni saying that Hamas ‘cannot accept my right to exist’. This was the only mention of any of the indicators by a quoted source or BBC correspondent. These findings indicate that the journalists behind these reports simply did not view these facts as relevant to the conflict.

Looking at the images in the media, only 4% of all the photographs published about the conflict in the first week depicted Hamas militancy and only one photograph of a rocket launcher appeared in the broadsheets. And in cartoons, more than 75% of all editorial cartoons published over the three-week conflict period depicted Israel as the aggressor, whereas only a quarter even featured depictions of armed Hamas fighters.

Another key failure specifically relates to our national broadcaster. The BBC consistently failed to make the crucial distinction between opinion and fact. The source of the confusion, to a significant extent, is the still highly ambiguous role of Jeremy Bowen: the Middle East ‘Editor.’ As an editor, Jeremy Bowen is permitted to ‘editorialise’ the news, which he does by rendering his reports highly personalised. All of which is fine, as long as any kind of editorialisation is clearly marked as an opinion piece. But this is not what the BBC does. In his daily Gaza diary on the BBC website, the Middle East Editor was given free reign to publish his own partial and emotive opinions. These demonstrated a clear sympathy with the Palestinian case and clear hostility towards Israeli perspectives. For example:

‘Back on 6 January I wrote in this diary about one of the most affecting pieces of video I had seen coming out of Gaza. For me, it is still the most memorable single image of the war. It showed a young Palestinian father kissing his dead baby son goodbye. He was murmuring farewells to his boy and I defy anyone to view it and not be profoundly moved. I was frustrated that I did not even know the names of the man and his son…But I wanted to know more about the man, much more. After a couple of days in Gaza I can tell you a great deal about him…And I am glad that I can finally put a name to a face.’ 23rd January 2009.

As well as a preponderance of entries focusing on personal stories of Palestinians, there was an unmistakable cynicism displayed towards Israel running through the series. On numerous occasions, he made reference to the ‘Israeli narrative’ and ‘Israeli message’, but never once referred to a Palestinian ‘narrative’ or ‘message’. The implication here is that Israeli positions are ‘versions’ and Palestinian positions are reality.

‘Israel has been able to put across its narrative, that it is acting in self defence and doing all it can not to kill civilians. But it has been countered by the sheer weight of images of suffering from Gaza, which have inspired protests across the world.’ 12 January 2009

‘I’m struck by the constant Israeli message that ‘any other country in the world would do the same’. Would they?’ 13 January 2009

Not once in all of the TV coverage we monitored did Mr Bowen tell the personal story of an Israeli. And nowhere in his diary was it made clear that this was his personal opinion and not that of the BBC.

The BBC Editor also slipped personal opinion into some of his news reports. For example, in the late night news on 27 December 2008, he made the assertion in the middle of a news report that

‘Hamas has not been part of the last year of negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians. The talks have largely ignored Gaza, which is a fundamental diplomatic failure.’

Whether the exclusion of Hamas (regarded by the EU and US as a terrorist organization) from last year’s negotiations constitutes a ‘fundamental diplomatic failure’ is a matter of opinion and not of fact.

And on the Ten O’Clock News on 5 January 2009:

‘Israel says it tries not to hurt them – all this is the fault of Hamas. Try telling that to the people in Gaza’s overwhelmed hospitals.’
Here, the use of the phrase ‘try telling that to’ is a subtle but effective way of conveying to the viewer that Israel’s assertions should be treated with suspicion or indifference.

Both of these examples constitute breaches of the BBC Editorial Guideline on impartiality:

‘Our journalists and presenters, including those in news and current affairs, may provide professional judgments but may not express personal opinions on matters of public policy or political or industrial controversy. Our audiences should not be able to tell from BBC programmes or other BBC output the personal views of our journalists and presenters on such matters.’

To their credit, the BBC’s news journalists did regularly report what life in Sderot was like and show images of rockets falling, one landing perilously close to Jeremy Bowen himself. Paul Wood especially deserves praise for his balance and detached perspective.

However, there was one other area where the BBC did not manage to convey crucial information to audiences: in acknowledging the deaths of Hamas terrorists as part of the overall casualty rate. Despite understandably heavy focus on Israel’s media ban, there was no mention until after the ceasefire of the danger that Hamas might be influencing the statistics and sources coming out of Gaza. And so each night, the BBC reeled off casualty figures sourced from ‘Palestinian medics’. Only on one occasion did the BBC TV evening news programmes break the figure down into civilian versus non-civilian casualties. 11% of broadcasts on the Today Programme broke down the figure. In contrast, of the 48 broadsheet articles which gave a figure for the number of Palestinians reportedly killed, 40% attempted to make the distinction. So the general impression made was that all casualties were civilian, rather than a combination of civilian and Hamas.

Improvements in coverage were certainly detected in some areas: in the amount of time and space allocated to quoting Israeli spokespeople; in the overall stance taken by the UK’s broadsheets in their editorial pieces (34% were classified as ‘neutral’ about Israel’s operation in Gaza, 32% took a ‘less favourable’ stance and 34% were ‘more favourable’) and in the BBC’s coverage of both perspectives of the conflict in its news reports. It was principally in Jeremy Bowen’s opinion pieces that the BBC did not provide balance

However, when it came to arguably some of the more influential areas of reporting, we detected serious shortcomings, particularly at the BBC. We have seen the privileging of reporters’ own opinions at the expense of a full presentation of the facts and issues. As a result, core journalistic principles have been compromised.

Intresting, to me at any rate, read.
 
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There is one major difference though between what happens there and what happens here!

You have to understand that religion is not just something that happens on a Friday/Sat/Sun (delete where applicable!) its a way of life. The religion dictates what you wear, what you eat, who you are seen with etc etc, so to purely look at changing that is niaive, you are looking at asking the various to completely change their whole way of thinking and breathing.

Absolutely I am.

When religion causes the death of children it has fundamental flaws, and needs to be changed, period.

To call ours a weekend religion is maybe a little naive tbh, but we'll let you away with that religious bigotry just this once ;)

and just because a religion does not move with the times, does not make it right btw......
 
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I still canot believe that relgions are so competitive that they allow for members the other religions to be killed without banishing/excommunicating everyone involved......

This is why I'm not religious.
Having a faith is fine. And most faiths are based on loving God (whoever you deem that to be) and loving your neighbour. It's only when humans create a religion around it that they forget the essence of the teachings, and get all political, and letting stupid human issues get in the way, and start hurting each other.

I bet Jesus and Mohammed and Moses and Buddha are all sitting around in a metaphorical cafe somewhere bemoaning how most humans still don't get it.....
 
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Absolutely I am.

When religion causes the death of children it has fundamental flaws, and needs to be changed, period.

To call ours a weekend religion is maybe a little naive tbh, but we'll let you away with that religious bigotry just this once ;)

and just because a religion does not move with the times, does not make it right btw......

Oh come on Mark ... lots of Christians do nothing more than attend church every so often and very few of them live by any doctrine!

To understand the people involved in this is to understand that their religion is not just that, its their whole being and raison d'etre!

I have spent a lot of years discussing this whole issue, and you will find that most Jews will say that God is all pervading and we all share the same God, its just the peripherary that changes, whereas most other religions claim God is theirs and theirs alone, and that they have a divine right to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth!

I mean, come on, which religion and which country has actually NOT driven us out after using and abusing us. Back when this wonderful land was RC before good old Henry, it was against the Christian ways to handle money and to lend it, but it was ok then for them to use us Jews to do it for them, until one day some Bishop or other decided that us Jews had too much power handling the nations lending, so drove us out.

Ok rant over!!
 
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It is the snobbish attitude that the Jewish religion has, as shown above missus, which has caused them to be alienated in lots of countries tbh.

Let's get back to the basics.... does your religion allow you to kill children? Because that is what Israel is doing, regardless of what the othrs are doing to initiate the conflict.

If your religion is an 'all loving' one as I assumed all religions were - does it not then put the onus upon religious leaders to find a way to sort the problem?

To prance around in their funny dresses, preaching, whilst children die is no way to run any religion tbh.

And me is not christian btw, probably would fall into the athiest camp if I thought religion was even important. But I understand that you cannot hide behind your religion when it takes the life of someone who does not believe what you do.
 
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I am far from a snob Mark ... I am merely displaying what is commonly known as a persecution complex ... history teaches us, stand still long enough and you will be blamed!
 
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I am far from a snob Mark ... I am merely displaying what is commonly known as a persecution complex ... history teaches us, stand still long enough and you will be blamed!

Being a snob and showing a snobbish attitude are different things m'lady ;)

Now, you say your religion has been persecuted for so long - why then are they not able to see others POV then, and why then can they not be a little understanding of others? they, of all people, should understand and be willing to listen.

I'm not knocking Israel here, or even your religion on its own, in fact I'd bomb the hell outta Gaza if they threatened anyone belonging to me...... but it is this hiding behind a religion to do all these things that I just cannot get.

Is there anyone anywhere, who is a Jew, who thinks that killing children is not something that should be done, regardless of provocation?

If they are so almighty powerful too - why not send the troops in and shoot the people they should be. It is cowardly to do it from the air imho.

I have no problem with people being killed, if they need it, but I hate to see innocent children being caught up in something they know nothing about.
 
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You Mark though are falling into the propoganda hands of Hamas!

Should you not be screaming at Hamas telling them to stop deliberately using children as shields?? Should action or sanctions not be used with them? The Israelis like anyone do not wish to kill children, but the alternative is to sit back and watch their own citizens be killed and just wish Hamas luck?
 
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Should you not be screaming at Hamas telling them to stop deliberately using children as shields?? Should action or sanctions not be used with them? The Israelis like anyone do not wish to kill children, but the alternative is to sit back and watch their own citizens be killed and just wish Hamas luck?
And that's exactly why I don't get why everyone's being so hard on Israel, thereby tacitly supporting Hamas!

Sure, I'm no way condoning the shooting of innocents - by anyone, ever. But Hamas have to be at least 50% responsible...
 
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You Mark though are falling into the propoganda hands of Hamas!

Should you not be screaming at Hamas telling them to stop deliberately using children as shields?? Should action or sanctions not be used with them? The Israelis like anyone do not wish to kill children, but the alternative is to sit back and watch their own citizens be killed and just wish Hamas luck?

Send in the troops then, and stop the cowardly bombing.......

Me, if I have a problem with someone, I go to their front door. I don't drop **** down their chimney while their children are in the room.
 
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And what? they don't really care what the world says about them as it is.

The only way to solve their situation is an all out war tbh, and that will involve troops. 2 Sides who cannot ever agree must be ruled by one or the other.

I didn't ignore the fact that Hamas are using the children as shields btw, but I do so hate to see the little mites being injured. to cause this, and say 'they done it' smacks of schoolyard arguments.
 
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But then the Israelis would be hectored for invading a country!
Sadly that does seem to be the only way. I would support them, hell I would join up for the IDF if I was younger (have you seen the women!).
 
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.......and the booger called me a fairy by pm.... so my winding is getting me somewhere :D :D

Now you see I could claim yet again persecution of Jews as actually you were the one that started abusing me firstly dearest one, so put a sock in it!! :eek:

But you say on one hand you want them to sit and understand each other and cease and then you say start an all out war ... which one Mark?? Make your mind up time!
 
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