Police state V police mentality it's all a load of horse ****

An Oasis · Mar 14, 2008

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=17745

No idea if this is true or an urban rumour but if it true it beggars belief. What do the police think that they are doing? If they are looking to alienate what is left of the UK motoring public that don't already think their policies stink, they really could not do any better than carry on the way they are.

I really hope, that if true, the wiz that came up with this one visits Snowdonia very soon. More than willing to give them petrol money or whisk them down their in person.

Mar 14, 2008

A money-making exercise in fines.

Dawg · Mar 14, 2008

Quite!
How dare they try and stop speeding. Especially after closing time. And when the nice new barmaid is doing a voluntary trumpet solo. I might spill my line of snowdonia.
Nazis!

(BTW How can anything in North Wales be called an "Urban Myth"?)

Mar 14, 2008

Can't see old Ned catching a ferrari on full tilt let alone a Fireblade.

Earl

Dawg · Mar 14, 2008

sirearl said:
Can't see old Ned catching a ferrari on full tilt let alone a Fireblade.

Earl

They won't have to catch it:

it's well known that Ferrari owners do it to themselves.

(BTW It's a camera. Uses light. Speed of light vs Ferrari? Simplissimo.)

estwig · Mar 14, 2008

They outta stop 'horsing' around and nick some proper villains!!!

asonda · Mar 14, 2008

Oh Great, I don't speed but I think I have a phobia of speed cameras as it is, now I'm going to be even more paranoid. I always think they're gonna get me, even if I'm doing well below the limit.

Kinda like when you walk past a policeman and automatically feel guilty.

Mar 14, 2008

You must be guilty if you feel like that J

I agree, speeding is killing people, but there has to be a better way than fixed penalties, etc. These camera's are a bit of a farce really.

Take the books of them if you catch them speeding, that'll put an end to it.

Dawg · Mar 14, 2008

Do you remember the story from Australia? Some lads sussed a 'plainsclothes' van with a speed camera inside, nicked the numberplates, put the plates on a car they had, and spent a day racing up and down in front of the van. And hundreds of tickets went to the registered address of the van: the local police station.
Heh heh. Sound chap that Skippy fella.

An Oasis · Mar 14, 2008

estwig said:
They outta stop 'horsing' around and nick some proper villains!!!

Neeeeigh chance of them doing that mate, conviction rate is about 14% who says crime doesn't pay, it does for 86%

An Oasis · Mar 14, 2008

Comspec said:
I agree, speeding is killing people, but there has to be a better way than fixed penalties, etc. These camera's are a bit of a farce really.

Mate you been suckered into the propaganda, slap yourself on the wrist, very hard.

It is total ******** to say that speeding kills it is just politicking and finding an easy way to get a message through to every aspect of society. Irresponsible speeding is the killer not speeding itself. Speeding stats alone account for about 6% of problems, most is the problems are due to **** driving, I think the correct term is driving with undue care.

Mar 14, 2008

Dawg said:
They won't have to catch it:

it's well known that Ferrari owners do it to themselves.

(BTW It's a camera. Uses light. Speed of light vs Ferrari? Simplissimo.)

That is not strictly true it has been proved that if a vehicle travels at more than 170 mph a speed camera can;t catch them.

Earl

TSx · Mar 15, 2008

An Oasis said:
Mate you been suckered into the propaganda, slap yourself on the wrist, very hard.

It is total ******** to say that speeding kills it is just politicking and finding an easy way to get a message through to every aspect of society. Irresponsible speeding is the killer not speeding itself. Speeding stats alone account for about 6% of problems, most is the problems are due to **** driving, I think the correct term is driving with undue care.

I agree with you as far as motorways and (high speed) dual carriageways are concerned - there is very little in it between a 70mph idiot driver and a 80mph idiot driver on a motorway with few other hazards. In residential areas however, whilst speed may not be a particular cause or factor of accidents (most are, as you say, down to sheer bad driving, or actually unpreventable accidents), the effect of that speed on any pedestrians caught up in that accident is magnified, quite substantially from 20mph, to 30mph, to 40mph.

There is little excuse for breaking the speed limit by more than a few mph in a residential area, but the number of drivers I see speeding (I'd guess at least 40 in a 20 zone) past parked cars near the secondary school entrance near me is unbelievable. I cannot see how shaving 10 seconds off their journey is worth that risk.

Cornish Steve · Mar 15, 2008

A few weeks after getting his driver's license, my son decided to drive along a local street, with a speed limit of 35mph, at a little over 50. Not only did the police stop him, but they pulled him out of the car, pushed him against the car, gave him a pat down, and then screamed at him for 5 minutes. My son hasn't been known to speed since then. As far as I'm concerned, thank you Mr. Police Officer; you did a good job in scaring my son out of a bad habit!

As for speed cameras in horse boxes, that's just plain ridiculous. I don't mind the police enforcing the law, but it's over the top to trick people and to be deceptive. It's like the police officers in Devon who drove very close behind a car on narrow lanes around midnight, so close you couldn't see their headlights. The driver was scared and sped up - only to be nabbed for speeding. Such ploys are outrageous, and the police officers concerned should be fired.

Mar 15, 2008

Sounds like the end of Mr Plod.

Hello Mr Clip Clop.

Earl

asonda · Mar 15, 2008

Mr Earl, You watch TopGear too, good man. They used a TVR Tuscan to out run the gatso speed camera.

Are the newer ones as 'easy' to get by? like the Truevlo and average speed cameras?

Grassman · Mar 15, 2008

goldctrsteve said:
A few weeks after getting his driver's license, my son decided to drive along a local street, with a speed limit of 35mph, at a little over 50. Not only did the police stop him, but they pulled him out of the car, pushed him against the car, gave him a pat down, and then screamed at him for 5 minutes. My son hasn't been known to speed since then. As far as I'm concerned, thank you Mr. Police Officer; you did a good job in scaring my son out of a bad habit!.

That's the way it should be done, proper policing, on the street, in person.
We all know cameras only raise revenue, they do nothing to punish or correct piss poor drivers.
More cameras, less traffic cops will only result in more and more people like this idiot

Mar 15, 2008

Not really bothered about it myself, don't speed and you won't have anything to worry about.

Subbynet · Mar 15, 2008

Carl-CSNM said:
Not really bothered about it myself, don't speed and you won't have anything to worry about.

lol... How smug is that for a reply

Me thinks Carl doesn't drive much

Those who do, will know that these camera's are for one thing only. In the years since they've been installed, the number of deaths on our roads remains constant.

asonda · Mar 15, 2008

Subbynet said:
lol... How smug is that for a reply Me thinks Carl doesn't drive much

You may find that Carl doesn't drive at all.

Mar 15, 2008

There is also in the speed equation the type of vehcile being driven.Many of the small Japanese people carriers and 4 x 4 vehicles are in inherently unsafe at speed for obvious reasons and contribute to a larger proportion of accidents.

One would rather be traveling at 100mph in a properly designed vehicle than at 70 mph in these types of vehciles.

Earl

KM-Tiger · Mar 15, 2008

I've always been of the view that excessive speed is merely one symptom of poor driving, and if we really want to do something about the 3,000 odd people we kill on our roads every year, then better driver education surely should be the thing to improve?

Subbynet · Mar 15, 2008

Kent Manufacturer said:
I've always been of the view that excessive speed is merely one symptom of poor driving, and if we really want to do something about the 3,000 odd people we kill on our roads every year, then better driver education surely should be the thing to improve?

Personally I think the Driver has been educated enough, and the UK has one of the hardest driving tests available.

What I'd like to see more of, is Pedestrian education. When I was young, this was hammered home all the time. Remember that cartoon thing about "Charlie Says" crossing the road? I do... Haven't seen it on TV in ages - or any alternative. I spose that slot of worth more for advertising these days.

Lets not forget, speed is rarely the cause of a crash or death.

And finally... How many bumps is acceptable? You can't mix 30 Million cars and trucks with 60 Million people and not expect any at all. In fact I'd say 3,000 is very good.

Mar 15, 2008

Subbynet said:
Personally I think the Driver has been educated enough, and the UK has one of the hardest driving tests available.

It may be one of the hardes tests available but is an absolute joke,in how easy it is for people being put in charge of a lethal weapon.

Since when has driving a vehicle at 30mph equiped people to drive at 70 mph + where things happen at 5 times the speed .Its a totall disgrace motivated by big business and govenments wanting to sell cars at the cost of allowing unqualified drivers onto our roads on mass hence the appalling accident rates for new drivers.

Earl.

Cornish Steve · Mar 15, 2008

sirearl said:
Its a totall disgrace motivated by big business and govenments wanting to sell cars at the cost of allowing unqualified drivers onto our roads on mass hence the appalling accident rates for new drivers.

Oh come on, Earl. Are you seriously suggesting we drive cars only because we're conned into it by evil corporations?! If only we all took public transportation, with endless delays waiting in the rain, all would be utopia?

Mar 15, 2008

goldctrsteve said:
Oh come on, Earl. Are you seriously suggesting we drive cars only because we're conned into it by evil corporations?! If only we all took public transportation, with endless delays waiting in the rain, all would be utopia?

Not at all Steve ,I am suggesting that a 17 year old who has never driven over 30mph is able to let rip in a 200mph Ferrari may be a tad irresponsible hence the slaughter rate amongst young drivers and there victims.:|

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2007/06/02/nosplit/mfwhit02.xml

Earl

Cornish Steve · Mar 15, 2008

sirearl said:
Not at all Steve ,I am suggesting that a 17 year old who has never driven over 30mph is able to let rip in a 200mph Ferrari may be a tad irresponsible hence the slaughter rate amongst young drivers and there victims.:|

There are good and bad drivers of all ages. Old fogeys like us can be just as bad as young drivers. I've seen some really good and responsible 15-year-old drivers in the US (in the farming states, driving a car is a necessity, and sons often help with farming tasks), and I've experienced some really awful drivers (I won't mention the gender of the worst I recall

).

The problem with younger drivers, especially in an age of video games, is that they believe they are invincible. Sadly, they are as fragile as the rest of us. This is why I was so pleased that the police laid into my son when he was caught speeding. As a parent, I warned him many times, but it took that incident to really get to him.

Honestly, though, I don't believe that government or big business has anything to do with it. We have to face responsibilities, not blame others for our occasional poor judgment. More guilty are parents who let a teenager drive their Porsche - and there I suspect we agree.

Mar 15, 2008

Well I think govenments have to take some responsibility for the ludicrously easy driving test.and the fact speak for themselves as to the safety of young drivers hence why there insurance primiums are 6 x an older driver ,a result of the natrual exeberence of youth and there lack of adequate training.

Earl

KM-Tiger · Mar 15, 2008

goldctrsteve said:
There are good and bad drivers of all ages. Old fogeys like us can be just as bad as young drivers.

Which is why the driver education must be continuous, not pass it once and then hope for the best.

If you fly on a passenger aeroplane, then the pilot will have been re-tested for competence in the previous 6 months. Why do we allow drivers of cars to kill people when their last competence test was 35 years ago?

ken_uk · Mar 15, 2008

Give it time, and the governement will introduce tracking on all vehicles, they will know if you have been speeding, not to mention where you have been, and when, and for how long.

They wont be able to resist it, given time, they will do it, im sure....

Alice3537 · Mar 15, 2008

My suggestion is that if driving instructors actually taught people that using the BRAKE peddle is a far better way of indicating that you are slowing your speed than waiting for the person behind you to work it out for themselves once they can see the colour of your eyes in the rear view mirror.

I was lucky - my father taught me how to drive and I had most bad habits yelled (rather than beaten!!) out of me before they even began.

Slightly OT, I know, but to say that our system is so great makes me wonder what the hell is going on in other countries!!

having said that - I go to the US once a year and use the freeways extensively - god, those guys use the 'phone all the time and eat sandwiches and stuff at the same time! Freaks me out, but haven't seen a crash up close yet, so not quite sure what that indicates. :|

Also didn't see many horse boxes parked at the side of the road!!

Plus, I thought over here, when they do a camera set up they have to tell the public? I often do a google search for speed traps in the area I may be traveling to...not because I am a girl racer, but because I like to know since getting my 3 points (which have now run off, by the way).

Subbynet · Mar 15, 2008

ken_uk said:
Give it time, and the governement will introduce tracking on all vehicles, they will know if you have been speeding, not to mention where you have been, and when, and for how long.

They wont be able to resist it, given time, they will do it, im sure....

Its already been planned - and is part of the EU's Galileo (GPS on steroids) project.

If the sodding technology worked, it would be rolling out soon... Thankfully, it doesn't very well - and the public don't like the idea of big brother... So Road Pricing has been set back.

But you're right - its more about when not if.

Cornish Steve · Mar 15, 2008

That's scary, although the government two decades ago was installing software into speed cameras that recognises number plates, searches a database, and informs the police if a vehicle is being tracked. There's practically nothing we can do today without the government knowing. We desperately need some kind of bill of rights to stop the government from tracking everything we do. The government is supposed to represent and serve the people, not control and monitor what we do.

Alice3537 · Mar 15, 2008

goldctrsteve said:
That's scary, although the government two decades ago was installing software into speed cameras that recognises number plates, searches a database, and informs the police if a vehicle is being tracked. There's practically nothing we can do today without the government knowing. We desperately need some kind of bill of rights to stop the government from tracking everything we do. The government is supposed to represent and serve the people, not control and monitor what we do.

How long will it take us to move on to i.d. cards? Please don't - makes my blood boil!

Only thing our government does is monitor those who generally abide by the law and tell us they can't do sh*t against those who don't (been there, been told that!).

ooops - apologies to all for my total OT rant, second time in one thread - I'll bow out now! :redface:

Grassman · Mar 16, 2008

ken_uk said:
Give it time, and the governement will introduce tracking on all vehicles, they will know if you have been speeding, not to mention where you have been, and when, and for how long.

They wont be able to resist it, given time, they will do it, im sure....

NOT TO ANY OF MINE

Cornish Steve · Mar 16, 2008

You never know; they may exempt lawn mowers - but I wouldn't bank on it.

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