A couple of basic SEO questions - Page 6

Tin · #51 6th February 2008, 17:25

Cheers for that David, missed that one.

Slapping a class in the Header tag would result in something like this

<h1 class="myheader1style">Header 1 text goes here</h1>

The above is using a bespoke style via CSS to style the Header 1 tag whereas, a clean Header tag left to it's own devices looks really pants

<h1>I look like pants</h1>

It just means styling the Header 1 tag globally so that any use of the h1 tag within the site ensures the tag takes on the same styling (but doesn't look pants) whilst keeping the H1 tag clean.

Hope that helps

Ray

kayak · #52 6th February 2008, 17:29

Yes I think so, I sort of read your post wrong before.

I thought you meant that having a class on the header tag was a bad thing, but as I read it now, it is not necessarily a bad thing..!

ANyway enough work for one night - I'm off home.

Thanks

RedEvo · #53 6th February 2008, 17:41

a css file can tell an H1 tag to look a certain way. If you want some H1's to look different you could create a class to cover that, although ID's are cleaner and a better way to go.

Code:

<h1>Normal H1 tag</h1>
<h1 class="fancy">Another fancier H1 tag</h1>

However, ID's are cleaner used with divs

d

sandpetra · #54 12th February 2008, 02:38

It's 2008 - we shouldn't be talking about 'measuring' keyword density or wasting people's time with it. Sure if you want to rank for phrases, put them in the copy. Write natural, with an eye on dropping keyords and related terms throughout the copy.

DONT WASTE TIME CALCULATING KEYWORD DENSITY!!!! Lordy!

There's so much more benefit to getting more links or structuring the page / site properly. There is no magic keyword density..... or if there is, it is so trumped by just about any other factor in Google's algo, it's certainly not worth measuring to an exact number. What am I saying... there is no magic keyword density!

Tin · #55 12th February 2008, 07:50

Hi Shaun,

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Originally Posted by sandpetra

It's 2008 - we shouldn't be talking about 'measuring' keyword density or wasting people's time with it.

Sounds like you're missing a trick then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandpetra

Sure if you want to rank for phrases, put them in the copy. Write natural, with an eye on dropping keyords and related terms throughout the copy.

Ah, I see! So if I want to rank for phrases I need to drop them in the copy so will 50 drops of them work for me or just 2 drops??? Sounds like this is something to do with density!

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Originally Posted by sandpetra

DONT WASTE TIME CALCULATING KEYWORD DENSITY!!!! Lordy!

I've read that link before, as well as lots of other pages saying the same sort of thing but each to their own. I'd rather waste time getting my content density right than the painstaking chore of hundreds of useful links.

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Originally Posted by sandpetra

There's so much more benefit to getting more links or structuring the page / site properly. There is no magic keyword density..... or if there is, it is so trumped by just about any other factor in Google's algo, it's certainly not worth measuring to an exact number. What am I saying... there is no magic keyword density!

I hear you Shaun.

It's that old chestnut 'links' again.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=flyers&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...G=Search&meta=

The above ranking belongs to RayB's printing site. He asked me to come onboard in June last year as an seo consultant to see how high up the ranks I could get him for the word 'flyers' & 'flyer'. I requested that he completely cease external link development so that we could measure how effective my work would be. The rankings speak for themselves.

I've said this before to you Shaun. There's plenty of room for any seo to have their own way of working and methodology, I have absoultely no problem with this. I have my way which I know has worked for the last 12 years so I stick with it, others have their way and it can work just as well but if you say there's no such thing as keyword density and people shouldn't waste their time on it then I have absolutely no idea why all my clients are flying around page 1 of Google and, more significantly, staying there for years.

Back to the drawing board I guess.

Ray

RayB · #56 12th February 2008, 09:20

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Originally Posted by Tin

The above ranking belongs to RayB's printing site. He asked me to come onboard in June last year as an seo consultant to see how high up the ranks I could get him for the word 'flyers' & 'flyer'. I requested that he completely cease external link development so that we could measure how effective my work would be. The rankings speak for themselves.

Just wanted to jump in and back up what Ray has said here. He has indeed achieved those rankings for me just by tightening up on the onpage/site SEO focus.

Plus, with the SEO training he he additionally provided I also work on the site, and our combined efforts have reaped many other rewards as well.

For example, we fluctuate between 4th and 6th for "printing":

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=printing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

And all this has been achieved without active link building since Ray asked me to stop.

I also believe rankings achieved in such a white hat on-page way are less susceptible to algo changes than those based on "link building" - but that is just an opinion.

PS - the link building I was doing between Jan-June 07 was mostly Directory submission (I know), so with the hit on a lot of Directories last September my link profile and internal PR has clearly diminished to some extent

Stationery-Direct · #57 12th February 2008, 09:29

Fairplay to both Ray's, that is VERY impressive for flyers and flyer!

Anybody want to show these guys and get me to No1

sirearl · #58 12th February 2008, 09:37

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Originally Posted by RayB

I also believe rankings achieved in such a white hat on-page way are less susceptible to algo changes than those based on "link building" - but that is just an opinion.

Don't ya just know it,If you get up the rankings and have good interesting content links come flying in from other sites.

Never done any link building campaigns,apart from friends who link to me from around the world as they feel sorry for me.

Earl

nigel · #59 12th February 2008, 11:13

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there is no magic keyword density!

Sorry but I must agree with the others that for many sites it is the lack of keyword density that keeps them in the lower reaches of search results. For less competitive keywords it is the quickest way of getting on page one without the worry of full SEO of a site or even the trouble of establishing links.
I have helped sites achieve page one for nothing more than a few more keywords dropped in to their title, description or home page, it all depends on what the competition has done to achieve page one status.

sandpetra · #60 12th February 2008, 14:08

"I have helped sites achieve page one for nothing more than a few more keywords dropped in to their title, description or home page, it all depends on what the competition has done to achieve page one status."

With respec t 5 am talking about keywords in copy, not KEYWORD PLACEMENT in important elements like the tile and anchor text.

What can I say.... there is no magic keywod density

We'll agree to disagree.

I'd wager the site architecture has more to do with it than a magical keyword density