If PR doesn't matter - why ...

SEO Lady · May 22, 2013

.... does this article state that backlinks from a high PR are better than links from a zero PR?

"... links from low PR sites hold less clout for Google"

Additionally, with the constant evolution of Google telling us not to buy links, and that they ignore low quality links (blog comments, directories etc) how are webmasters going to get around this?

If you can't buy links
It's bad to get linked from a crappy website

Original infographic here

SEO isn't all about the linkbuilding, but it's one of the stronger factors in ranking, but now we're getting slapped for doing it?

That's like watching me buy a chocolate cake then giving me a lecture on how fat I am getting

SuffolkDesigns · May 22, 2013

1weekSEO said:
That's like watching me buy a chocolate cake then giving me a lecture on how fat I am getting

No, it's more like selling you the cake and then when you get fat selling you the diet pills.

fisicx · May 22, 2013

Becasue the infographic is total bollox.

PR is the pointless score you see on the tool bar.

PageRank is part of the algo. It is a probability distribution and uses an awful lot of sums to calculate the score.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

directmarketingadvice · May 22, 2013

Who says Page Rank doesn't matter? Did Google say that? If so, does that mean they now ignore all links (from a positive perspective)?

Seems unlikely.

Shelly Watson · May 22, 2013

PR is still used as a factor to judge the quality of a website. It can't be ignored completely.

OldWelshGuy · May 22, 2013

PageRank DOES matter and it matters a LOT, BUT it isn't the god of ranking.

PR has moved on so much since the original backrub algorithm that was simplistic. Now PR has gained a life of its own, and crossed over into relevance.

Toolbar PR means not a lot, as Google used to kill PR but now they just stop pages/domains passing PR.

People may SAY PR doesn't matter, but they also say they have seen the Yeti or bigfoot etc. doesn't make any of the statements true

JonathanSEO · May 22, 2013

Terrible infographic but they just earned a natural link from it

Whoever says page rank is rubbish is wrong.

I even think Toolbar PR is very useful, there was just some SEO cliques that wanted to rubbish it and say it's pointless which clearly worked as plenty jumped on the bandwagon.

I use it all the time for working out if a link might be worth getting, working out if a site has a penalty etc at first glance.

OldWelshGuy · May 22, 2013

Toolbar PR is OK as a guide, but can't be relied on as godpel, I agree. but a site with decent PR is a starting point for checking inbound and outbound links to gauge its value.

JonathanSEO · May 22, 2013

OldWelshGuy said:
Toolbar PR is OK as a guide, but can't be relied on as godpel, I agree. but a site with decent PR is a starting point for checking inbound and outbound links to gauge its value.

Yup or if you go on a website that's 10 years old that has amazing SEMoz statistics yet is PR0, usually a sign something is messed up.

Speaking of PR, Independent is back up to PR8 now I just noticed. Got stripped to 4 after advertorials. Others have got it back too.

OldWelshGuy · May 22, 2013

And Opera has been banned from passing PR due to spammy UGC pages .

babblemouth · May 22, 2013

Independent is back up to PR8 now I just noticed. Got stripped to 4 after advertorials.

The above highlights it really for me and hits the nail on the head so to speak, as if Pagerank didn't mean anything, why would Google bother updating it.

fisicx · May 22, 2013

babblemouth said:
The above highlights it really for me and hits the nail on the head so to speak, as if Pagerank didn't mean anything, why would Google bother updating it.

You are mixing PR (on the toolbar) and PageRank (part of the algo).

PageRank is part of the ranking mix and a value you will never know. It is constantly being updated.

Toolbar PR is just a snapshot created by the Google pixies. Use it as a comparison if you must but that's about it. It gets updated once in a blue moon.

JonathanSEO · May 22, 2013

fisicx said:
Toolbar PR is just a snapshot created by the Google pixies. Use it as a comparison if you must but that's about it. It gets updated once in a blue moon.

It get's updated more than you think, especially on a site by site / case by case basis.

The Independent got stripped from 8 to 4 in mid March. They're now back to 8.

dalepie · May 23, 2013

1weekSEO said:
.... does this article state that backlinks from a high PR are better than links from a zero PR?

Probably an old article from when PR was king. Or someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

1weekSEO said:
Additionally, with the constant evolution of Google telling us not to buy links, and that they ignore low quality links (blog comments, directories etc) how are webmasters going to get around this?

What Google say and what they actually do are two separate things. If you want real answers look at the serp pages, try different things and become your own expert.

1weekSEO said:
SEO isn't all about the linkbuilding, but it's one of the stronger factors in ranking, but now we're getting slapped for doing it?

Lmao! The problem with link building is that many people lose all track of reality when they do it and start coming up with all manner of crazy ass schemes. Sometimes they work, right up until the algo change that ruins it all.

It is possible to get good links that aren't complete sh^&te. You just have to think outside the box and look at each business case separately. Too many webmasters, especially affiliates forget that their website is infact a little business. They get hooked up with emd domains and gaming the system. Once you break out of that thinking and treat all your sites as tiny little businesses that need good pr, sales and service to run em your good to go.

My 2 pence anyway

queldorei · May 23, 2013

via pr you can understand how often googlebot are vreindexing page
if pr 5+, bot update content - new content interesting for humans - this is main logic
then he watch on humans via toolbar and if they are not interested in this site, then your 5+ domain going to 2,3,..100 page in search results
you can have 5+ domain, but without traffic and profit - do sites for humans
make your online business friendly for human

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